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Ami Anne
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posted November 17, 2010 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Amwols, THAT thinking was behind the slaughter in the Holocaust--that exact same thinking.
Please, people get a grip

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posted November 17, 2010 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice one IQ.

The queen rules America and that is that, take it or leave it!
Princess Diana was not pregnant with Dodi's child and Ami is correct. There was no relationship nor love there. Dodi was a pawn in her game.

She always wanted to marry Charles and so she got her desire.

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posted November 17, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm and what proof do you have Lara? Visions? Wacky websites? Do you believe in every conspiracy theory?

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i agree---more and more i come to the conclusion that more often..things arent what it seems.

and about Diana...oh well we all know that she was starting to be a strong rock in the middle of royal family´s way.

what better way to remover her,than killing her? this is already clear for quite some time now.

but i believe that we all choose it-Di choosed it before reincarnating .

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posted November 17, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FACTS as proof Amowls... i'm not about to go into any explanation but that is how it is and l don't expect any American to understand from far across the pond.

All of this info is now common knowledge anyway. There is no way on earth that Diana would have dated Dodi lol
To believe such is just insanity. She wasn't THAT crazy.

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posted November 17, 2010 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what do you have to back up your theories? Just curious.

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posted November 17, 2010 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if it's true Diana was killed for reasons of control and jealousy, they made her a martyr. And the whole world loves her.

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posted November 17, 2010 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even fame, wealth, blue blood can't buy that...

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posted November 17, 2010 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They aren't theories Amowls. They are FACTS!

Diana wasn't even in love with Dodi, she was in love with someone else and if you'd done your research then you would know that and not ask me these obvious questions.

Diana told all her classmates at boarding school that one day she'd marry Charles. Her grandmother and Charles's grandmother BOTH arranged it. This is ALL common knowledge and ALL in the tabloids! and it's ALL true.

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posted November 17, 2010 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not Amowls and I wasn't talking about Dodi and Diana anyways since I know very little about the nature of their relationship. However, it sounds more like you are getting alot of your info from the tabloids....LMAO. Did you really know her personally enough to know that she wanted Charles even after he blatantly humiliated her over and over again?


My question was more in reference to America as the Queen's supposed 'fiefdom'.


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posted November 17, 2010 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what is really sad but true.
You can have everything as Princess Di did but she did NOT have a clear mind and good mental health.
That was her downfall, in a word, IMO.


I think she went down when she started having Susan Forward as a therapist and telling her to be her "own woman".
Susan Forward is a therapist who deals with abused people.
She applied her theories to a whole culture and institution like the Royal family and convinced Diana to "stand up" .


Then, Diana did that horrible interview about 3 in the marriage.
You CANNOT be your own woman in that way when you are part of the Royal family.

She just could not think clearly and hence fell in to the wrong hands for guidance,IMO.


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posted November 17, 2010 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BM,
Apologies. I'm on my mobile and the screen is small!

I did know of Diana enough to be able to tell you that she was at school when she decided to marry Charles and l can also tell you that she knew about Charles and Camilla throughout! I know more about Diana and Dodi's relationship than most of the people on the planet!

Oh, America. Well any smart alec can figure that one out - but yes, l have been privy to info whilst is possibly not common knowledge. The Queen totally rules America. No question.


Ami,
AGREED. I totally agree and think your observation is


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posted November 17, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Paradoxically, since the 2000s, New World Order conspiracism is increasingly being embraced and propagandized by New Age occultists, who are people bored by rationalism and drawn to what Barkun calls the "cultural dumping ground of the heretical, the scandalous, the unfashionable, and the dangerous" — such as alternative medicine, astrology, quantum mysticism, spiritualism, and Theosophy.[5] Thus, New Age conspiracy theorists, such as the makers of documentary films like Esoteric Agenda, claim that globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order are simply misusing occultism for Machiavellian ends, such as adopting 21 December 2012 as the exact date for the establishment of the New World Order in order to take advantage of the growing 2012 phenomenon, which has its origins in the fringe Mayanist theories of New Age writers José Argüelles, Terence McKenna, and Daniel Pinchbeck.

Skeptics argue that the connection of conspiracy theorists and occultists follows from their common fallacious premises. First, any widely accepted belief must necessarily be false. Second, counterknowledge — what the Establishment spurns — must be true. The result is a large, self-referential network in which, for example, UFO religionists promote anti-Jewish phobias while antisemites claim direct reception of prophetic material: the voice of the Mesoamerican god Quetzalcoatl.[5]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29#New_Age

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And I don't care about Princess Di. I want to know what proof you have about the Queen & America.

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posted November 17, 2010 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You know what is really sad but true.
You can have everything as Princess Di did but she did NOT have a clear mind and good mental health.
That was her downfall, in a word, IMO.

Oh, I'm not denying that she was emotionally troubled at all. When I did all the research I did on her, I felt that she had to atleast have some mood disorder. (Now before anyone jumps on me, I'm not trying to play doctor...that's just my 'feeling') She sounded alot like I was some years back...on a grander scale.

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posted November 17, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I did know of Diana enough to be able to tell you that she was at school when she decided to marry Charles and l can also tell you that she knew about Charles and Camilla throughout! I know more about Diana and Dodi's relationship than most of the people on the planet!

Oh, America. Well any smart alec can figure that one out - but yes, l have been privy to info whilst is possibly not common knowledge. The Queen totally rules America. No question.



I could tell you I'm the daughter of the Swazi King and expect you to believe that also. I'm sorry, until I see evidence on any of the above...I'll follow my own mind.

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posted November 17, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara, I say this without being testy...it's coming from a purely intellectual curiosity. This is the first I've heard of the Queen ruling America, as, growing up in the States, I've always believed that British Royalty was a useless vestige from days of old. Just the other night, my husband and I were wondering why British "commoners" even allow the royal family to continue; why they pay them any mind. Now IQ seems to be saying similar things re: the power of the royals. What knowledge do you have that the rest of us don't.... do share! And if you're hesitant to do it on a public forum, I'd love to e-mail you privately. I am officially intrigued.

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~ http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html ~

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~ http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm ~

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a) my personal theory is that diana was about the only VIRGIN in a reasonable age bracket in her CLASS which is very important when royals consider marrying...left for charles to marry. her family go back WAY farther than the windsors in english history, as do several others.

at the same time her mother was american, which meant FRESH BLOOD for the royal family. keeps the inbreeding to a safe level.

for this reason also i think kate middleton is acceptable...she will bring a strong new strain to the family and prevent them from the problems of incestuous breeding. whether she will LAST or not depends on so many behind the scenes factors it's hard for anyone outside the gates to judge.

b) i also heard the story that she had charles' picture taped inside her locker in school

diana has been reported as saying that the royal family were not "human" - how could they let her keep spreading stuff like that? so whether she was CHOSEN as a sacrificial lamb or just became one is moot. i doubt her death was an accident.

much of what lara is saying is true. it is hard for commoners to understand the way royals live. just as it is impossible for the american presidential candidate to know exactly how sewn up his job is until he actually GETS IN THERE. at which point how he deals with it is about the only thing in his control.

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posted November 17, 2010 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is a natural animosity on both sides, which should have resolved when America won its independence from the Mother Land...

Our constitution reads:
http://www.usconstitution.net/choose.html

The Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
http://www.usconstitution.net/declar.html

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posted November 17, 2010 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And further in declaration...

The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free system of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislature, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


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posted November 17, 2010 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting reads Happy Dragon

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posted November 17, 2010 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think being in the Royal Family provides great privelege, of course, but great bondage, too.

You have to accept the up side with the down side.
Diana, cuz of poor thinking, wanted it all.
You cannot be a Royal and an average every day person,too,complaining publicly about your "family"

If she were clear thinking, I think she could have found a man to love her and stayed within the confines the Royal's demands. They allow this.
Love and intimacy(emotional) will heal damaged emotions.
If someone could have led her to that juncture, I think she would have been saved.


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posted November 17, 2010 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proud to be an American... AND... further correction, if ANYONE OWNS America - it's China. :P

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The activities of conspiracy theorists (talk radio shows, books, websites, documentary videos, conferences, etc.) unwittingly draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from serious criticism and activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background. That is why conspiracy-focused movements (JFK, UFO, 9/11 Truth) are treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work of truly left-wing progressives who are marginalized from mainstream public discourse.

Moot point or blundering folly.

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Conspiracy “theories” lack any true analysis of the systemic class forces at work that oppress billions of people each day. They do not point to imperialism and capitalism as the main problems, instead ascribing society's ills to a few leaders from imperialist countries that are somehow above the class systems under which we live. Such “theories” are not only false, anti-Marxist and truly reductive of history—they are dangerous diversions that keep people from aiming their anger and hatred toward the system that actually causes oppression throughout the world.[96]

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Right-wing populist movements can cause serious damage to a society because they often popularize xenophobia, authoritarianism, scapegoating, and conspiracism. This can lure mainstream politicians to adopt these themes to attract voters, legitimize acts of discrimination (or even violence), and open the door for revolutionary right-wing populist movements, such as fascism, to recruit from the reformist populist movements.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29#Criticism

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