posted May 25, 2009 04:07 PM         

His Pluto on 29°11 Virgo and your Proserpina on 25°17 Virgo, that is 3°54 between them.

So you count only the degree and not the second?

Well, that explains it, cause if I write 3° orb I actually mean, that 3°00 is the outer limit. So an orb of 3° would be 00°00 - 03°00.
Was that the difference?

And yes, I think it`s important what aspects make the score. Are t hose mainly LOVE aspects or mainly karmic, big difference!

Saturn on IC CAN be hurtful, but doesn`t have to be. Yet, there is probably some work coming with it. And don`t forget, even though it doesn`t seem so on first glance, it is Saturn, who is the most scared. usually Saturnīs coldness and control is just a reaction on a deep seated fear of emotions and being deserted again.
And now imagine your IC, the seat of your deepest emotions, triggering this vulnerability in him.
He is scared.
Of course you are hurt in return, too.

posted May 25, 2009 04:21 PM         

Dear me...

Seems mostly karmic with him i have to admit

posted May 25, 2009 04:53 PM         

I kind of like the lyrics.

Hmm maybe I should apply my own calculator to my synastry with Jude and this other actor, too.
So far it seems, that the scores are usually a bit lower than with IQ`s calculator.
You scored over 50points with his, didnīt you?

posted May 25, 2009 06:15 PM         

do you think this is significant and what would it mean? More damn karmic lessons?

His NN conjunct exact my sun and venus/mars midpoint.
His venus square exact my sun/moon midpoint.
My vertex conjunct his venus/mars midpoint.

posted May 26, 2009 01:49 AM         

Well, that must be wrong; I guess NOW I bended my own rules. I will post the individual aspects later, so you can check that I did everything right.
Because I MUST have miscalculated; such score is not possible, and even more important, i donīt feel like it is.

posted May 26, 2009 08:33 AM         

Take cupido for example:

I have cupido in Leo
any man who would look like a leo is someone that would attract me. (Johnny has ASC in leo)
let's not forget that cupido was the Roman counterpart of Eros. So, this would most likely be a strong attraction factor.
mine is in my fifth house with his name.

He has cupido in aquarius conjunct my name (my mars- ruler of my sun in aquarius and also the ruler of my seventh)his in the sixth representing everyday work (astrology). and opposition my cupido.
Johnny also has uranus conjunct mars in virgo and saturn in Aquarius.
Saturn and uranus rule his seventh house.

So there would be a strong attraction factor.

I would use cupido conjunct the ASC, ruler of ASC, DSC, ruler of DSC, Sun, I also noticed this type of pattern with George.

posted May 26, 2009 09:48 AM         

wow, that is CREEPY.
I was dreaming of R again last night; well, actually I dreamed of him being somehow present in that state between being awake and being asleep, and he was whispering into my ears: "You need to take a look at Cupido!"

And now you basically tell me the same. LOL
Yes, I was thinking about integrating Cupido into it. He shouldnīt be neglected anymore. Eros-Cupido-Amor they are part of the same triad.

AS I see them:

Eros is the Greek "origin". Actually it is a very ancient DAIMON, older than the known Roman and Greek mythology and has been integrated into the divine cosmos. But originally it was the GOD all other gods and goddesses had to bow before, the power of erotic love, even more so the spark of life, a creation-god.
And within Eros we have both sides, the passionate erotic side and the more romantic side, too.

This seems to have been split up in Roman mythology; this strong force of Love and creation is seen in two Gods:
Amor, which represents the unconditional, spiritual, romantic and often platonic love, where you put the loved one almost on a pedestal, a very devoted kind of love, the "I do everything for you. You are the focus of my thoughts and care".-kind of love.

Cupido now seems to represent the more erotic, playful, even sexual side of love. Some think it`s superficial, but I`m not so sure about it.
Cupido`s love is a bit selfcentred; itīs that feeling of "I am so attracted to you", bathing in those good feelings, which also instills a strong desire for the other person I think.

So, that is my take on Eros, Amor and Cupido (and they all want Psyche ).

Will have a look in personal charts.

posted May 26, 2009 10:06 AM         

Cupido is on the exact same degree as Davida in my chart! In Leo like yours, and it falls into my 8th house.

Sabian for this is:
ZUNI INDIANS PERFORM A RITUAL TO THE SUN

It is on 19 Leo, and this opposes Davida in his own chart, which exactly conjuncts my Moon and trines my Karma!

My Cupido also trines his Mercury and Karma exactly..

His Cupido on 7 Sagittarius falls on the exact same degree as my ASC, Angel and Lust.
Sabian is:
WITHIN THE DEPTH OF THE EARTH NEW ELEMENTS ARE BEING FORMED

It also conjuncts my Mars, Neptune and NN.

His Aphrodite also widely conjuncts my name in my chart (4 degree) and quinkunx my Aphrodite exactly.

My Aphrodite exactly sextiles his Venus and also trines his name in his chart and trines his Saturn, too.

His Amor closely conjuncts my Psyche.
My Amor exactly conjuncts his Juno.

His Eros trines my Eros,Vertex and Destinn.
His Eros also conjunct my Juno (3 degree)

My Eros quinkunx his Karma exactly.
My Eros conjuncts his Vertex.
Yes, that means we have an Eros-Vertex-DW.

His Psyche exactly trines my chartruler Jupiter.

My Psyche conjuncts his Amor, trines his Uranus.

Do you mean something like that?

I am always surprised to find strong Cupido, Eros or Lust-connections, cause I am not all that lusty about him. Actually, that "attraction" to R feels much more insistent, but the synastry seems to favour Jude.

Jude and me even have a Karma-exchange.
His Karma is in his 1st house and my Karma falls into his 7th house.

posted May 26, 2009 10:26 AM         

His name in my chart conjuncts my Valentine!
How funny, Jude`s name conjuncts my Cupido, R`s name conjuncts my Valentine.

I should feel attracted to Jude and truely love R I guess. lol

BTW R`s name and my DR Hypnos are on the same degree.
Sabian is:
AMERICAN INDIANS MAKING CAMP AFTER MOVING INTO NEW TERRITORY

Another Sabian, revolving around Indians and around moving into new land!

However, my Cupido conjuncts his Pluto.
Lol, another Plutonic connection!

His Cupido is tied together in a conjunction with Valentine and and his own name (falling exactly on his Draco Sun btw).
In the Draconic chart his Cupid / Valentine / his name conjunct my name in his chart! (which, surprise surprise, falls onto HIS Mesopotamia).

It means, that his name conjuncts my Mesopotamia, and my name conjuncts his Mesopotamia.
And this is conjunct Valentine in both charts and also conjunct his Cupido.

Well, if we take it literally, we must have loved each other in Mesopotamia.
Probably very deeply, as his Mesopotamia / Draco Valentine / Draco Cupido and Kerstin fall into his 8th house, and my Mesopotamia / Richard / Valentine fall into my 12th house.
Very mystical all of that. LOL

His Cupido / Valentine conjuncts my Sun-Moon-midpoint, Antivertex and opposes my Eros and Destinn..

Aphrodite:

My Aphrodite falls into his 5th house and trines his Venus/ Jupiter/MC-conjunction and also trines his ASC.

His Aphrodite falls into my 1st house and conjuncts my Venus (hmm, I am the embodiment of Aphrodite for him? I could live with that I guess).

Amor:

His Amor falls into my 4th house conjunct my Chiron and sextiles my Psyche.

My Amor falls into his 6th house and sextiles his Sun.

Eros / Psyche:

his Eros falls into my 3rd house and trines my Eros, Destinn and Vertex. His Eros also trines his name in my chart.

My Eros falls into his 3r house and opposes his Mercury / Valentine / Cupido / Richard and trines his Eros.

his Psyche falls into my 3rd house, conjuncts my Jupiter and Ceres and squares my ASC and NN.

my Psyche falls into his 10th house and sextiles his Amor.

There is something interesting though.

My Eros opposes his Chartruler (Mercury).
And his Psyche conjuncts my Chartruler (Jupiter).

posted May 26, 2009 10:42 AM         

YOU and R
"However, His Cupido is tied together in a conjunction with Valentine and and his own name (falling exactly on his Draco Sun btw)."

ME and JOHNNY
his cupido conjunct my name opp his name in his chart opp my cupido and draco sun.

YOU and R
"My Eros opposes his Chartruler (Mercury).
And his Psyche conjuncts my Chartruler (Jupiter)."

ME and JOHNNY
My Eros conjunct his ASC
and his Psyche conjunct my DSC.

posted May 26, 2009 10:50 AM         

I never know how important midpoints really are, but once I looked at the midpoints at a certain event and they were very telling.

Well, Venus-Mars-midpoint would of course tell you something about sexual attraction.
Sinc his NN conjuncts your Sun which is on your Venus-Mars-midpoint, maybe he "teaches" you or makes you aware of what you really want in a (sexual) relationship=
Of course it could also relate to strong attraction from your side (your Venus-Mars-mp is triggered)

posted May 26, 2009 10:56 AM         

I also get confused a LOT, especially with the name asteroids, in his chart, in my chart etc. Confusing.

But yes, Cupido is a fascinating one, so I have to work on my calculator even more. *Sighs*

And I was already considering, including tight squares, too.

Conjunction and opposition
trine and square
quinkunx

Cause as we know soulmates are not always the rosy harmonious kind.
And giving conjunction and opposition the same amoutn of points as well as trine and square, you could actually COUNT if the harmonious side outweighs the challenges.

Of course the categories have to contain a higher amount of points then, probably 75 to 100.
Iīm still thinking.

What do you think about these ideas? Too far off? Including too much stuff? Distracting from the important things?

Also, I was considering comparing Yang - Yang and Yin - Yin, too.
Cause I always feel we miss something important if we dismiss aspects like Moon-Venus, Venus-Neptune, Pluto-Eros or Mars-Pluto.
Maybe with a bit lower point-number than the Yin-Yang-objects.
But shouldnīt they be included?

posted May 26, 2009 11:08 AM         

*sighs* Unfortunately the Venus-Mars square between R and me is almost 3 degrees, so invalid for the calculation I guess (unless I allow 3 degrees for everything).
I think I definitely feel it.

posted May 26, 2009 11:12 AM         

Try adding 3 degree orb if it is too much move back to 2 degree.

posted May 26, 2009 11:15 AM         

BORING. I am a Sag, I want a solution and I want it NOW (that must be my Draco Sun in Aries speaking).

posted May 26, 2009 11:32 AM         

Hmph, haven`t we met before?

Oh and my Karma is on 16 Gemini and my SN is on 10 Gemini, anything nearby?

posted May 26, 2009 11:36 AM         

and pluto at 7.58 libra (natal)