posted May 16, 2009 05:17 PM         

rulers of ASC in aspect DW ?

Identity - identity

vs

Identity - partner DW?

I mean looking at the synastry we don't have ASC ruler tightly conjunct DSC ruler
But everything adds up

But 1st and 7th rulers are sign conjunct DW
though, not in orb.

Atlantis conjunct jupiter (0)
Atlantis conjunct karma (0)
siva conjunct Kaali (5)

plus all others I listed previously.

In the composite the sun and venus at 25, saturn 21 degrees quincunx moon,neptune 25 degrees, sextile Uranus 25 degrees, pluto 22 and quincunx back to sun/venus.

So, would the moon,sun,venus,neptune,uranus act as if conjunct since all at same degree?
would those aspects count toward soulmate/twin potential?

I think some soulmate/twin aspects are going to be similar to pluto/persephone that deep transformation - pluto/neptune is the sense I get. and maybe rulers of 8th and 12th house in aspect to each other.

IC and ASC contacts to nodes, ruler of IC, 8th or 12th, and ASC ruler.

For some reason I get this sense of pluto/neptune the light meets dark.
spiritual transformation.
or
Maybe I have been looking at this too long!

and some I noticed had a Iris aspect - the message from the gods through the eyes, the window to the soul. Rainbows, Gods promise.

In the myth she brought the water from the underworld up to the light for the Gods when they made a promise and they had one year to fulfill their promise or they would suffer for nine years and on the tenth they would be free.

I noticed iris - to iris, the rulers of 8th and 12th or neptune, pluto. (Light and dark)

I am going to look at a few more who claim they saw it in each others eyes, but I know that what that feels like and you instantly know who they are.

and that would make sense in the case of me and George
ruler of 8th his venus aspecting ruler of 12th my neptune DW
But neptune is his ASC ruler and Venus my ASC ruler.

plus the pluto/persephone aspect

my sun on his point of transformation

my Iris conjunct his neptune, sextile his iris.
My Pandora conjunct his NN - sets you on a whole new path

posted May 17, 2009 05:23 AM         

Neptune and Pluto are a complimentary pair, they are the most spiritual "variation" of Sun and Moon or Venus and Mars (Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and Plutot he higher octave of Mars).

And yes, yes, yes, the water houses are what is needed for soulmates.

Interestingly in the synastry with R the ruler of his 12th house is conjunct my ruler of 8th house.

And our 12th house rulers are exactly conjunct.

And yes, it does spell out transformation I guess.
Coupled with my Pluto (in his 5th house) conjunct his SN and Mars and opposing his Moon.
Plus his Pluto (in my 8th house) opposite my Moon, conjunct my Cupido and trine my Chiron.

Also, his Neptune (in my 10th house) exactly trine my MOon and square my Saturn.
My Neptune (in his 7th house) trine his Moon and NN and conjunct his DSC exactly.

posted May 17, 2009 09:47 AM         

apart from their patronizing arrogance my real problem with Magi astrology is, that it is neither consistent nor works.

Vesta,

could you elaborate of the "bringing together" in the 7th harmonic?
That sounds interesting.

I do have a rather interesting 7th harmonic (as well as 9th harmonic).
In the 7th there is a conjunction of Sun, Moon, Mercury, Eros and Vertex around the first degree of Gemini. Duh!

I do understand the 9th harmonic a little bit, if I apply the Indian theory to it.
If see the 9th and 1st (the natal) as two layers of the personality; the physical, the very manifest level (natal chart), those things you can really SEE, and the spiritual, soul-level (9th harmonic).

Orf course spirituality can also be seen in the natal. I know that.
Especially in the constellation of 4th, 8th and 12th house.

I`m not decided about the 9th harmonic yet, maybe I have to look at some celebrity charts and see if there are significant conjunctions / opposition as well as in the 7th.

BTW the 9th harmonic is interesting in that the 9th Proserpina is EXACTLY Conjunct natal Pluto (and 9th harmonic Jupiter, which rules my natal ASC and my 9th harmonic DSC).

Jude has his 9th Persephone or Proserpina exactly opposing my natal Pluto.
R has his 9th Proserpina exactly conjunct my 9th Proserpina and my 9th Jupiter (ruling his natal 7th house, and my natal 1st and 9th harmonic DSC), and of course his 9th Proserpina exactly conjuncts my natal Pluto. Phew.

Regarding Iris, my Iris is exactly on Jude`s Moon, which rules his 8th house, and it falls into both our 10th houses.

Who would send the message through their eyes and who would receive it?
Is Iris the one sending some message or receiving it?

posted May 17, 2009 09:54 AM         

but in his seventh He has Jennifer conjunct juno(0) on his natal neptune (0) in scorpio trining seventh harm Chiron, Jenny conjunct his natal juno trine seventh harm Neptune, venus conjuct his natal jenny.

posted May 17, 2009 10:03 AM         

Just kidding. I still don`t grasp the meaning of the 7th harmonic though.

I once found something on the 9th harmonic though or made my own thoughts, but of course relating to Vedic astrology. Still, I wonder if it doesn`t make sense for western astrology, too.

"The Rasi`s (natal) signifies the physical manifestation of a relationship, the
surface, or maybe the better word would be: the consciousness.

The Navamsa`s (9th harmonic) signifies the soul, the depth, the unconsciousness.

And aspects between Rasi and Navamsa connect those two. Probably
those are the best to have, since they connect consciousness with
unconsciousness. One partner expresses, is, lives out (Rasi), what
the other desires deep within (Navamsa).

If you only have connections through the Rasi`s, it may be that this
could be a rather superficial relationship, founded on material
ground, without too much spiritual or emotional depth.
But on the other hand, if you have a very strong Navamsa-synastry
without Rasi-aspects, it could mean that even though deep inside your
souls are in touch with each other, that you will never know about
it, or despite some very strong attraction it will be difficult,
maybe impossible to actually form a relationship.
The soul (navamsa) must have means to manifest (Rasi) itself.

Regarding the bridge, the Navamsi- Rasi-aspects I found that quote:
"The navamsha reveals traits, desires, hopes, dreams, fears etc.
which are dormant, but trying to rise out into consciousness in your
life. You find the partner who is already acting these out in the
material world. You are intensely attrcted to this person; they are
everything you admire, everything you crave, everything you want to
be. This person completes you; expresses you; forms your `other
half`. Naturally, you marry them!"

Well, this might explain the phenomenon of onesided attraction.
Let`s say person A has his Mars conjunct `B`s Navamsha Venus, but at
the same time there are no aspects to person A`s navamsha, then B
would be insanely attracted to A, but since there is no connection to
A`s navamsha, deeper soul urges, A wouldn`t reciprocate the feeling.

I then made a short analysis of my comparision with musicman (the one I had a 20 year long crush on):

1. Rasi - Rasi (material manifestation)

his Mars conjunct my Jupiter
his Jupiter conjunct my Jupiter
his Saturn conjunct my Moon
his Ketu (SN) conjunct my Moon
his Lagna (ASC) conjunct my Jupiter

There are not so much aspects on this level.
But it is very noteable that there are many aspects involving
Jupiter, and mostly I am the Jupiter-person. Which means that I am
able to support him and be his "biggest fan" so to speak. It`s like
he can`t do anything wrong. There are also two aspects to my Moon,
which means that I am the one who feels that emotional connection
very strongly. Those aspects are with his Saturn and his Ketu; both
are seen as malefics. So he probably feels not very much at ease with
my emotions. On the other hand those are highly karmic aspects, and
his Ketu conjunct my Moon could indicate a past live emotional bond,
one that he is probably uncomfortable with (his SAturn conjuncts his
Ketu).

So, on the manifestation planet doesn`t happen really much, I`d say.

2. Navamsa - Navamsa (soul to soul):

his Sun exactly opposite my Moon
his Moon conjunct my Rahu
his Moon conjunct my Lagna
his Venus conjunct my Venus
his Saturn conjunct my SAturn
his Saturn conjunct my Ketu
his Saturn opposite my Lagna
his KEtu conjunct my Venus
his Lagna opposite my Moon

Well, the connection deep down between our souls seem to be a strong
one, very emotional (Moon and Venus), but at the same time
complicated, karmic and very difficult (Saturn). The same Saturn
would make it difficult to cut the ties between our souls.

The opposition of Sun and Moon indicates a very strong attraction
deep inside of our souls.
The DW of Moon and ASCendant (Lagna) is a strong sign of an emotional
caring bond. Venus conjunct Venus speaks of a strong romantic
attraction, or maybe in our case, a strong affinity to the arts.
His Ketu conjunct my Venus - a love affair in a previous life?
his Moon conjunct my Rahu - this is interesting, since on the
material manifestation plane we have my Moon conjunct his Ketu - it`s
like we or he want to leave that previous emotional bond behind (his
Ketu conjunct my Moon), but deep inside our souls the bond continues
(his Moon conjunct my NN).

He "plays" Saturn here, too. So it could mean that fromt he outside
(Rasis) down to this deep soullevel (Navamsas) there`s some
restrictive influence he feels or acts out. His Saturn conjuncts my
Ketu (SN) - very karmic, very difficult to "unbreak", but probably
there has been some injustice between us, or one of us "keeping the
other locked up" (Saturn conjunct SN feels like a chain to me).
His Saturn also opposite my Lagna ( ASC) - not a very nice and
sympathetic position I guess.

posted May 17, 2009 10:14 AM         

Sound about right?

posted May 17, 2009 10:17 AM         

Now, I have to find out about the seventh.

posted May 17, 2009 10:24 AM         

This triple conjunction opposes an exact Saturn/Juno-conjunction.

This ASC / Kerstin / Angel conjuncts Jude`s Jupiter / NN-conjunction in the 9th.
Of course that also means that my Saturn/Juno-conjunction falls onto his SN.

In his 9th harmonic my name conjuncts Eros and both fall onto his 9th harmonic DSC.
His Eros and Kerstin fall onto my SN and oppose my Neptune and Union.

In my 9th harmonic I also have a triple conjunction of Venus, Karma and R`s name.
And funny coincidence it is almost exactly conjunct my natal Psyche and the exact point of the transiting triple conjunction of Jupiter, Neptune and Chiron. lol

His own name in the 9th chart opposes my natal Moon. lol

In R`s 9th my name opposes his Proserpina, and it falls exactly on his natal Moon, NN and Lust-conjunction, opposing his Mars and Juno.

His 9th Moon also conjuncts my 9th ASC, Kerstin and Angel and opposes my 9th Saturn and Juno, and on top of that this 9th Moon is opposing my natal Mars and conjuncts my DSC.

posted May 17, 2009 10:31 AM         

Thank you. I was rather surprised to find my own writing. I feel like I have to re-learn it all. lol

I`m a bit uneasy seeing how many times the asteroid Juno pops up in the synastry with Jude, no matter at which I look. Natal, 9th harmonic, 7th.

For example:
In the 7th I have Amor exactly conjunct David, and Jude`s 7th Juno clings to that (as well as his natal Venus and it opposes my natal Karma - feeling a bit dizzy now).

In his 7th Kerstin is on 27 Gemini, in his natal it is on 29 Sagittarius and in the 13th it was on 27 SAgittarius.
And now, my Sun is on 26 Sagittarius AND in the 7th my Juno is on 28 Sagittarius.

It`s so funny in his 9th harmonic Kerstin is also on 27 Sagittarius.

posted May 17, 2009 10:48 AM         

"In this brief essay, I would like to address one of the key harmonic resonances of the Harmonic Concordance - the seventh. The seventh harmonic chart is the representation of the natal chart in terms of the division of the zodiac by seven. The seventh harmonic chart 'isolates' the septile potential of the birth chart. The septile is a little used, often ignored aspect in the astrologer's toolkit. It is formed by planets or points 51 degrees and 26 minutes (or multiples of this angle) apart. In the seventh harmonic, planets and points that are a septile, bi-septile or tri-septile apart will appear conjunct.

The seventh harmonic form of any natal chart often confronts us with what is unspoken, hidden, or taboo in that particular moment of time. The seventh harmonic chart can show us what must be changed, psychically, for growth and development towards self-hood to occur. When working with the seventh harmonic, it is helpful to ask: "What is difficult here?" or "What might be unspoken in this moment?" or “What is asking to be brought forth?“ The seventh harmonic chart can be a place of darkness and uncertainty. In fact, it may be interpreted as a graphical map of the Jungian shadow. However, by working through this darkness, towards light and consciousness, the transformational potential of the seventh harmonic can be fostered."
http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/__EdGillam.htm

7th harmonic (septile series): A brings B into contact with the unknown.
This link is the key to inspirational experience. A confuses B and
dissipates its energy. A and B together show the nature of the ideals.

Michael Harding says of the 7th harmonic, "When someone is profoundly
moved, inspired, turned-on, excited, absorbed, captivated or besotted
with some image or ideal then the mechanism of...inner fantasy is
probably at work and projections are actively engaged. This is the circle
of the 7th harmonic, where the base and the numinous can merge; where
the noble cause, the highest ideal and the darkest longing are a
septile apart. As astrologers we must approach this chart with respect
and caution, and be prepared to acknowledge all the riches it contains;
for here we are truly walking with dreams of others."

Hand says, "The seven-series aspects are difficult to formulate in
rigorous and clear terms. Part of the reason is that they have a
Uranus-Neptune flavor, which suggests that they have to do with energy
linkings that are not entirely of this world. For example, these aspects
are prominent in the chart of Madame Blavatsky, the founder of the
Theosophical movement. They are also prominent in the charts of poets.
If the five-series gives the ability to turn creative inspiration
into concrete end-products, the seven-series gives the creative
inspiration itself. It is as if these aspects enable one to peer
outside the everyday universe into one of expanded possibilities
and truths. There are dangers here also. I have seen the seven-series
indicate mental and emotional difficulties as well as creative inspiration.
An excess of these aspects appears to give one a lack of connection
with the physical universe as most of us know it. This is the dangerous
or at least difficult side of creative inspiration."

9th harmonic (nonile series): A potentiates B. A activates B. A excites
B to action. A and B combine to create a unique mission towards which
energy is directed. The combination of A and B provide the key to
self-realisation. A and B act in response to considerations of the self
alone, a selfishness necessary in finding one's own highest or most
fulfilling path.

Of the 9th harmonic, Rael and Rudhyar say, "At the level of the Nine,
the individualized person discovers and envisions the meaning and purpose
of what he or she *is*. . . . the novile (when at all operative in an
individual's life) leads to personal rebirth -- or `Initiation' -- to a
basic identification of the self with the purpose this self is seen to
have within the harmony of the universal Whole. The novile thus represents
the level at which complete fulfillment of individual being is possible --
either as an end in itself (negative approach) or as the condition for
positive emergence into an altogether new and higher realm of being."

http://astrolog.offline.ee/astrolog/texts/lesson.asp

posted May 17, 2009 11:03 AM         

My nava DSC conjunct his natal Mars.

My nava venus conjunct his natal ASC.

and my nava mars conjunct his natal juno.

his nava sun conjunct my mars

so - the seventh is what creatively inspires us we just have to be careful not get lost in it.

So maybe I inspire him as the ideal partner he just has to understand that not everone is perfect and subject to flaws?
( possibly)
that may help explain those Nava / Rasi connections.

posted May 17, 2009 11:12 AM         

Funny, I just realized that I have some interesting transits to my 9th harmonic.

TRansiting Pluto:
conjunct 9th SN
opposing 9th Neptune and Union

Transiting Jupiter, Neptune, Chiron:
conjunct 9th Venus and Karma and R

Transiting Uranus:
opposes 9th harmonic David

The Transits to the 7th harmonic are not as strong:

Transit Pluto:
conjunct 7th Juno

Transit Saturn:
conjunct 7th Saturn

Those are exact btw.

posted May 17, 2009 11:18 AM         

I have to study this more

--------------------------------------------

his seventh He has Jennifer conjunct juno(0) on his natal neptune (0) in scorpio trining seventh harm Chiron, Jenny conjunct his natal juno trine seventh harm Neptune, venus conjuct his natal jenny.

so it is a grand trine still like in the natal
Jenny - juno - neptune
---------------------------------------------
My 9th cusp in the nava conjunct his nava Juno, Apollo( can act as the sun), saturn, MC, neptune. all at same degree. conjunct my natal moon and his natal vertex.
His point of happiness
sun conjunct sun
his nava mars conjunct my natal jupiter and sun opp the other stuff above.

My nava DSC conjunct his natal Mars.

My nava venus conjunct his natal ASC.

and my nava mars conjunct his natal juno.

his nava sun conjunct my mars

posted May 17, 2009 11:43 AM         

"My nava venus conjunct his natal ASC."
Also, the way he appears to be, his appearance, his physical Self embodies what you find beautiful, but on a very deep level (I think maybe the 9th house aspects go deeper than the usual natal aspects, like you go to a very deep layer inside of your soul).

"and my nava mars conjunct his natala juno."
I am not sure how to interprete that.
His way to commit deeply resonates with your inner image of the ideal masculine?

"his nava sun conjunct my mars"
I think like in the normal synastry that might indicate sexual attraction or at least an energetic exchange.

The way you do things and assert yourself, strikes a chord inside him, and he will sense a certain familiarity, maybe even admiration for the way you go about things you want.

posted May 17, 2009 11:50 AM         

Planets wich occur in the Rasi chart of one partner are indicative of of his or her needs in relationships.

This includes especially planets in the seventh and eighth houses. It may include planets wich rule these houses. If one partner has Mercury in the seventh house and the other has jupiter in the seventh house then they have a mercury - jupiter link in the harmonic this becomes especially important.

Links between Sun/sun, moon/moon, (identical links are important)

Very close aspects (they hold more influence, power)

Planets in ones chart linked to a whole configuration of planets in the others.

More attention should be paid to the links in the top- left corner of the chart wich show links between venus, mars, sun, moon, mercury.

posted May 17, 2009 11:53 AM         

9th - 9th harmonic aspects:

His Sun conjunct my Moon (5)
his Sun conjunct my Valentine

his Jupiter oppoiste my Saturn and Juno
his Jupiter conjunct my ASC, Kerstin, Angel

his Neptune opposite my Sun

his Pluto opposite my Psyche

his SN Conjunct my Saturn and Juno
his NN conjunct my ASC, Kerstin, Angel

his Karma conjunct my Chiron on 0-1 Libra
- this is interesting as our Composite Atlantis is on the EXACT same degree.
Maybe it means that I have been deeply wounded?

The Sabian is:
"In A Collection Of Perfect Specimens Of Many Biological Forms, A Butterfly Displays The Beauty Of Its Wings, Its Body Impaled By A Fine Dart"
Well, the butterfly represents the psyche, so the psyche is cut into?

his Juno conjunct my Amor (same as in natal)

his Eros conjunct my SN
his Eros opposite my Neptune

his Kerstin conjunct my SN

his Davida conjunct my Moon

HIs natal - my 9th harmonic

his Sun conjunct my Eros

his Mars conjunct my Saturn, Juno and DSC

his Neptune conjunct my DC

his Pluto conjunct my Chiron (4)

his Chiron opposite my Jupiter, Proserpina

his Karma conjunct my Pluto

his Juno conjunct my Saturn and Juno on 2-3 Sagittarius (my natal Amor is there, too)
"Two Men playing Chess" - I have no idea what that Sabian means though

his Juno opposite my Kerstin
his Juno conjunct my DSC

his Amor ocnjunct my Venus and Karma

his Proserpina opposite my Pluto

his 9th harmonic - my natal

his Sun conjunct my Jupiter

his MOon opposite my Neptune
his MOon conjunct my SN

his Jupiter oppoiste my Mars
his Jupiter conjunct my DSC

his Saturn conjunct my Moon

his SNC onjunct my Amor

his Juno conjunct my Chiron

his Psyche conjunct my Pluto and MC

his Kerstin conjunct my Sun

his Proserpina opposite my Pluto

I thought it was interesting, that we have the Pluto-Proserpina-connection twice from 9th to natal, and that both times he is Proserpina nd I am Pluto.

posted May 17, 2009 11:55 AM         

I stink at interpretations,

posted May 17, 2009 12:01 PM         

I don`t know about you being more attracted. Did you list all conjunctions and oppositions within 3°?

BTW I just had a thought.
Wouldn`t it make sense to look at the 2nd harmonic for the "Other Half"?
2nd harmonic resonates with opposition and opposition is what completes us or rather compliments us.

You know like the 7th house is the opposite house of the 1st house?

Well, I only looked at the 9th, because Indian astrologers swear by it for many centuries. lol

But really, if we believe that the 7th house is the natural partner house to the 1st house, and if we believe that the harmonics are the resonance of the aspects (which they are), then wouldn`t it be logical to look at 2nd harmonic?

posted May 17, 2009 12:47 PM         

No I have yet to look at other connections in the ninth I will take a look and get back on that.

his nava lilith conjunct his Rasi jenny Taylor opp his nava jenny.

I do know that he has my name conjunct his proserpina.

his nava NN conjunct my Nava persephone

After looking just a little deeper I found a huge link.

***His Nava Venus conjunct my Nava Dsc - venus is the ruler of my Rasi ASC

***My nava jupiter conjunct his nava DSC - jupiter is the ruler of his Rasi ASC

***then nava sun conj nava sun and rasi sun and rasi mercury.

his nava cupido and demeter conjunct my Rasi sun.