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DD
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posted May 18, 2009 04:22 PM
 
I wouldnīt mind if Cupido were a little more, Jude`s Cupido is exactly conjunct my ASC and also conjunct my Mars, NN, Neptune and Atlantis after all.  But I`m not sure about it.
Cupido means desire after all, and Amor means love.
I really think that unconditional love is an Amor-thing. However, I`m sure there are other connections that explain that feeling of love you have inside.
BTW I am just listing the positions in natal and 2nd harmonic for some celebrity couples (Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward, Paul Mc Cartney - linda Eastman; Johnny Cash - June Carter; Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith and Spencer Tracey and Katherine Hepburn), only using Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Pluto, Proserpina, Persephone, Eros, Psyche, Cupido, Amor, Juno, NN and ASC, and just from a first glance it is pretty amazing.
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posted May 18, 2009 05:44 PM
I looked at all the stuff George and I have and we have all the connections of soulmates The only one I am not sure of is His ASC ruler, sign conjunct my DSC ruler
and my ASC ruler, sign conjunct his DSC ruler If that counts then the NN exact trine ASC
node square node
the pluto, proserpina, node
siva, kaali
psyche , eros
all make sense plus the sun, moon and moon, moon aspects. The IC contacts ect.... sorry, had that on my mind for a bit! I just pulled my 2nd harmonic I will have a look.
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posted May 18, 2009 07:21 PM
Lara WTH are you doing man!
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posted May 19, 2009 07:36 AM
Vesta,I think the sign conjunct is significant, even though not as strong as an actual aspect. But it shows underlying compatibility and is a definite pattern.
I also think in Judeīs and my synastry it`s relevant that we have an exchange of Sun and Venus signs.
His Sun in Capricorn and his Venus in Sagittarius, my sun in Sagittarius and my Venus in Capricorn.
His Venus is in Sagittarius and my Mars is in Sagittarius.
his NN is in Capricorn like my Venus, my NN is in Sagittarius like his Venus. Even though those are not all close aspects 8we have a close Sun-Venus-conjunction and a Venus-NN conjunction though), I couldnīt help but notice this pattern. I think it might not be an ATTRACTING factor, but it shows that there are some parallels or complimentary aspects within our psyche`s.
Did you see IQ posted a new soulmate calculator listing? Did you apply it to George and you?
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posted May 19, 2009 08:06 AM
You have a sun venus exchange? George and I have that as wellhis sun conj my venus
my mun conj his venus I will check out IQ's new list, I have yet to see it and was wondering when he would post it.
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posted May 19, 2009 08:36 AM
No, we haven`t a real DW-conjunction, only the sign interchange.His Sun: 7 Capricorn
My Venus: 6 Capricorn His Venus: 13 Sagittarius
My Sun: 26 Sagittarius
But it`s interesting that you also have that.
Do you have any more complimentary aspects / positions in the natals?
Like in the Jude`s and my natals, we have Venus and Mars on the ASC.
His Venus is on his ASC, my Mars is on my ASC.
Some astrologer would even call that conjunct, as his Venus is on 13 Sagittarius and my Mars is on 5 Sagittarius, but personally I think that is much too wide.
But we have even more of this stuff.
His Venus conjunct Neptune
my Mars conjunct Neptune
and so on.
Yeah, I will have to calculate it, too, but I think it will be more difficult to have a high score. lol
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posted May 19, 2009 08:52 AM
I am not sure of his new calculations. I do like some of the new ones but there are some I think he should still count as oppositions.
He mentioned Chiron conj moon, valentine or karma. Why not valentine trine karma? Chiron trine karma, valentine? I may take his rules and apply some of my own then test couples. For instance I know you and Jude are soulmates, same with me and Johnny ( confirmed by heaven) SO, I think we should use ourselves as test subjects.
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posted May 19, 2009 09:03 AM
"For instance I know you and Jude are soulmates"
You know?Strange, I didn`t expect to read that on here, and it felt like my heart was missing a beat for a moment.
Damn it, why do I always react like that?  WEll, I will try out this new calculator (as I LOVE calculations like this), and I like it actually, much of it I do.
Of course I wonīt forget my own system either. Also, funny coincidence, I was on an astrosite for astrobooks yesterday (haven`t been there for at least a year), and they suggested a book called "Harmonics" on there, and today I found their newsletter at my door (I once had ordered something, and they send every 3rd month a newsletter) and they again recommended that book on harmonics, which apparently is blazing new. So I gave in and ordered it, and also one on "Resonance-horoscope", I suspect someone discovered the 2nd harmonic chart before I did. 
I donīt know if I qualify as case study. I rather look at long married couples, mostly celebrity couples which are said to have been soulmates, and see if the theories work with them. Cause noone can be really objective when it comes to their own synastry. That`s why I like numbers and scores and percentages in that regard.
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posted May 19, 2009 09:21 AM
I don't know about the celeb soulmates, They are subject to illision and delusion same as the rest. I know that Johnny is a soulmate and I would rather use ones that are confirmed (God, Angels ) Most of what IQ posted works for me and johnny. George is supposed to be a brother instead of Neptune conj Juno, his neptune is opp my Juno. and that makes sense with the rest of the chart interps. as well as his harmonics.So, I like his new rules I just think they need some adjustments. for instance Johnny's Karma is trine my valentine (0) and sextile my karma (0)
his vesta is conjunct my Moon (0) and my vesta is conjunct his saturn _ ruler of his 7th house in his 7th house. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 09:48 AM
Strange, I think we are more subject to illusion when it comes to ourselves. Also, as much as I believe in messages and angels, it is also a terrain that is very easily affected by illusions as it is so personal.
Of course we cannot say if celebrity couples are soulmates, but what we can see is if they have had a long marriage or not. Thatīs all.
personally I believe that Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward as well as some others were soulmates, but do I know this? Heck, no!
Yet, it`s a fact that they have been married for a long time.
That is why I use them for my research, even though of course this approach is as flawed and incomplete as any other.
I also use my parents for such a study. Do I know if they are soulmates? No, I don`t.
But I know that they have been married for 35 years this month and that they appeared to have been loving each other very much and still do, and stick together even if times get rough (and they have, believe me).
But do I really KNOW they are soulmates? No.
And I think noone does.
Not even in our own individual cases. We FEEL, and that`s the closest we probably will ever get to knowing. And it`s alright.
Yet, as feelings and spiritual perceptions are so highly dependent on the "subject", I think it would be great to have something like a tool that can help us have even one more confirmation. That`s all.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:01 AM
I understand what you are saying, But I have been able to hear my angels ever since I was a child. and They told me he was my brother also the night an angel brought a message from God she refered to him as my brother. That is what I know and nothing more I guess that is why I search for an answer. I have been married for 15 years and never felt that with anyone except Johnny He entered my dreams in a yellow like fog (astral plane). I knew things that were going to happen to him prior to them happening. I just want to know and find the answers so I can possibly help others.
Using IQ's new rules - Johnny and I have 28 points and I have to check on 3 more aspects yet. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:23 AM
I understand and believe you completely, as I have had similiar experiences.
But this will not be a valid proof for everyone. Anyway, back to the astrology, I definitely think that this Juno-Neptune-opposition is valid. I would actually add the opposition to almost every connection he mentioned. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:27 AM
Using IQ's new rules - Johnny and I have 28 points and I have to check on 3 more aspects yet. Not bad when you figured that Paul Newman and Joanne got 18 points IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:36 AM
Yes, not bad. Jude and me have about 27 points and R and me have 30 points (but almost exclusively Lust-aspects. lol)
Yet, I think the Moon and Pltuo aspects are definitely missing in this calculator. (But Moon and Pluto rule my 8th and 12th house, so they carry high soulmate potential in my individual chart).
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posted May 19, 2009 10:36 AM
I would use the opposition as well. Another astrologer once compared the opposition to that of the nursery rhyme Jack Spratt. Jack Spratt could eat no fat his wife could eat no lean but between the two they licked the platter clean. (how cute is that?) IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:46 AM
So cute. And it shows the nature of the oppositions, as I understand it well.
People who are definitely different, but who compliment each other perfectly, because everyone provides what the other is lacking and vice versa. AND yet they also have something in common (modality). It reminds me actually of the Yin-Yang sign. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 10:58 AM
Johnny and I have 32 points now.
George and I have 28 points IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 11:20 AM
Did you include the opposition?IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 11:25 AM
I only included one opposition for George.
Eros opp venus ( only because we have an eros-venus DW )
even though we have much more, and I did not include opp for Johnny either
I personally think we should use 5 degree orb for major planets as well as Eros/Psyche
sun/Venus and mars/Venus ect... all other asteroids 0-3 degree orb
Eros/Psyche include square as well as pluto/persephone/proserpina. and there are a few that should be oppositions. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 11:50 AM
Here are some results from the 2nd harmonic research (a very little one) I did, but only the conjunction / opposition (orb: 3 degree) between harmonic and natal, cause that is the interesting thing (the 2nd harmonic aspects are important, too, but are basically square, opposition and conjunction):
1. Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
Venus conjunct 2nd Cupido
Mars conjunct 2nd DSC
Pluto opposite 2nd Cupido
Eros conjunct 2n Sun
Juno conjunct 2nd NN
SN conjunct 2nd Sun
ASC conjunct 2nd Cupido
2nd Eros conjunct ASC
2nd Cupido conjunct Psyche
2nd Psyche conjunct Mars
2ne Psyche conjunct Eros
2n Juno opposite Mars
2. Johnny Cash - June Carter: Moon conjunct 2nd Pluto
Pluto opposite 2nd Mars
Juno opposite 2nd Eros
Juno conjunct 2nd NN 2nd Sun conjunct Psyche
2nd Moon conjunct Proserpina
2nd Mars opposite Amor
2nd Pluto conjunct Juno
2nd ERos conjunct Psyche
2nd Cupido conjunct NN
2nd Psyche conjunct Psyche 3. Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman Moon opposite 2n Cupido
Proserpina conjunct 2nd ASC
Cupido opposite 2nd Sun
Amor conjunct 2nd Venus
Psyche opposite 2nd Eros 2nd Sun conjunct NN
2nd Sun conjunct Eros
2nd Cupido opposite Juno
2nd Amor conjunct Eros
2nd DSC Conjunct Eros
2nd DSC conjunct NN
4. Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
Venus conjunct 2nd Cupido
Pluto oppospite 2nd Mars
SN conjunct 2nd Psyche
ASC conjunct 2nd Mars 2nd Mars opposite Moon
2nd Persephone conjunct Sun
2nd Persephone opposite Moon
2nd Cupido conjunct Amor
2nd SN conjunt Mars
2nd SN conjunct Pluto
2nd SN Conjunct Eros
2nd ASC conjunct Moon 5. Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn Pluto conjunct 2nd ASC
ERos opposite 2nd Eros
Juno conjunct 2nd Eros
SN conjunct 2nd Juno
NN conjunct 2nd DSC
DSC conjunct 2nd Cupido 2nd Venus conjunct NN
2nd Pluto conjunct Psyche
2nd Proserpina opposite Pluto
2nd Eros conjunct SN
2nd DSC conjunct Proserpina IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 12:05 PM
I disagree on the orb.
Even though I think a 5 degree orb may well be valid in normal synastry, we are looking for very unique and individual connecitons in the case of soulmates. And those will have a very tight orb. Maybe even three degrees are on the wide side.But I`m comfortable with the 3 degree orb, as it is what nature shows us in the case of the fullmoon. The period it is considered "full" is actually the time it needs to move 6 degrees; 3 degrees before the exact opposition and 3 degrees after that. I actually have researched that on some astronomical sites and tried it out with various fullmoons. lol So, this is the reason I stick to that orb in most cases.
I absolutely agree on the use of opposition and square for Eros / Psyche and Pluto / Proserpina-Persephone and also Venus/ Mars.
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posted May 19, 2009 12:13 PM
I had to check Innanen and Adonis Johnny Innanen 24.52 Libra
My Adonis 25.26 Libra George Innanen quincunx My adonis (4) orb
May work, don't know! But, with Eros,psyche quincunx and pluto/persephone it should. need to add more points for me and Johnny! IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 12:21 PM
You also have quinkunxes between soulmate couples (except for that wonderful amazing Adonis-Innanen-conjunction)?With Jude I have the Adonis-Innanen quinkunx with R I have the Pluto-Proserpina-quinkunx. I was wondering maybe the needed adjustments and unbalanced state that comes with the quinkux are expressed by their celebrity-status?
Like there is a connection, even though there "should" not be any? IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 12:27 PM
BTW we have an Adonis - Adonis conjunction, as mine is on 27 Libra.
Well, that means my Adonis is also conjunct Johnny`s Innanen. Hmm, another reason for me to go for REALLY Tight orbs. Yours is unbeatable.
Oh another thing I think we should include:
Siva - Kaali / Parvati
Psyche - Amor / Cupido for soulmate couples, too, as Amor and Cupido are just variations of Eros. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 12:59 PM
Hmm, that is strange.I just calculated the score with Johnny. Even though I do like him, we are definitely no soulmates, and I thought this would have to show in the results. But it doesn`t.
Actually we have a score of 36 points, and sharing some soulmate-aspects: His Mars trine my Venus
His Osiris conjunct my Isis
his Innanen conjunct my Adonis Hmm, what shall I think of that now? DD is confused. 
BTW his Sun is also conjunct my Karma and trine my Moon. And as I already said we have an Atlantis-connection through trine.
But I think in this case the soulmate-calculator doesn`t work. IP: Logged |
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