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vesta
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posted May 19, 2009 02:04 PM
 
Well, Johnny and I have ASC conjunct MC (0)
plus an eros- asc DW
Moon- venus DW
my karma conjunct his sun sextile his karma
his karma trine my valentine conj his vertex
valentine conjunct eros
name- vertex DW
POM opp POM
adonis conj Innanen
eros/ iris square Psyche/iris
part of siblings/ part of brethern
his mars trine my ASC (0)
my venus trine his pluto (1)
and too much more !!! It is no wonder why he has my name conjunct his cupido and eros opp my cupido with his name
cupido- names (0)
eros opp cupido ( 2)
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DD
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posted May 19, 2009 02:21 PM
Hey, do we have Karma conjunct? Mine is on 16 Gemini.However, I definitely think DW`s should weigh in, as well as the exactness of orb and the nature of the aspect.
A conjunction will have more "power" than a sextile. And I also think the MC-IC-axis is of importance, as well as the houserulers. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted May 19, 2009 02:30 PM
My karma conjunct Johnny union 21 Gemini conjunct George IC 19.50 something your karma conjunct my Karma 5 degree orb
I think the 5 degree orb holds weight even if not soulmates. So thought, if you have all other soulmate aspects then the 5 degree orb stuff would add to the flavor or kick in (add more spice) Kim Falconer once posted that you can feel a 5 degree orb of psyche and Eros.
so, something to keep in mind. IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 02:36 PM
*sighs* I`m having too many theories in my head, or rather,t oo many snippets of them.
They are like pieces of a puzzle, but I donīt know if they are part of the same puzzle.
And even if they are, if I put them together differently, will they give a different picture?IP: Logged |
DD
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posted May 19, 2009 02:57 PM
Well, I have seen Kim post that even orbs with 8 or 9 degree can be felt. Whatever.
I donīt buy it.
I think there will be something else causing that feeling.
I do think though, that wider orbed aspects add to the pattern just as you mentioned it.
But it`s a dangerous path to walk, cause it is seamed with wishful thinking.
And for my taste I want to concentrate on the most important connections. The focal points. The hot spots.If we allow 5 degree of EVERY asteroid, then everything will be aspecting everything, and we donīt see the forest anymore, only single trees.
My problem is: If we use 12 asteroids, the Draconic zodiac, the harmonics, midpoints, arabic parts, composite and Davison, we will OF COURSE find seemingly valid connections everywhere, in an arbitrary way.
It just loses meaning, you know`? Or maybe the "uniqueness".
That`s my take on it, I just can`t take orbs over 3 degree really serious, more like a surrounding noise, which adds, but isn`t the ground we are building on.
Also there is one more thought, the soulmate or even just a loved one is a very unique and special person. There are not many like this. And this will show in synastry, in exact connection.
If we allow for example an orb of 5 degree for a Venus-Mars-conjunction, it may be valid, BUT there will be many people who share this with you.
But everyone has to find their own way to do astrology and find out what works for them. I don`t believe big orbs work; I do believe though, that the sign placement provides some "ground underneath" for compatibility or lack of it. But attraction is made or woken up by exact aspects.
That is just my opinion though.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 03:11 PM
I agree with you, I was just thinking it adds to the pattern, like a little sugar on top. So absoultely use 0-3 orb concider 3-5 nice but not soulmate stuff, a little sugar on top, spice in the pot. The way I think anyway. moving on did you find connections with draconics ect.. after finding soulmates in natals? Is it still 50 points that you need in order to be soulmates with IQ's rules? IP: Logged |
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posted May 19, 2009 03:51 PM
Yes, definitely on the orbs.
That`s why I applied points and percentages to them.You know according to this system a conjunction with 4° - 5° would still have 60% value / intensity. For soulmate-connection I`d look out for the 80% - 100% aspects though. But it`s just a help to see the important things. I definitely agree about the pattern.
On DRaconics. DEFINITELY. Yes. Those connections make amazing much sense in most cases.
No, I do not think that you still have to reach 50 points, I guess this will be almost impossible or highly unlikely. Also, I think it still needs refinement (as IQ said himself).
It doesn`t take into account DW`s for example.
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posted May 19, 2009 09:54 PM
I calculated my score with Johnny again and we scored the same 32 points.I realy think we should include squares between the couples (soul mates) That would realy change my score.  He and I have
Zeus square Hera
Eros square Psyche
Lancelot square Gunievere Adonis conjunct Innanen
Pluto conjunct Persephone (though orb too wide) (5) Pluto conjunct Lust - pluto is ruler of my seventh. G and I scored 28 points. That is just natal, are you counting draco also?
Draco/draco draco/natal?
DD, have you noticed the harmonics enhancing the natal synastry.
example: George has cupido conjunct Jennifer next to the IC in his 5th harmonic his cupido sits on my natal sun position and Johnny's jennifer sits on my natal sun position in the 5th harmonic. Have you noticed things like that in the harmonics of soulmate couples. Maybe suggesting who they are by planetary positions or how one might feel about them? Also, Johny has juno at 23 Taurus in the 9th harmonic and George has Jennifer at 23 Taurus in the 9th harmonic. the Sabian is : Ajewlery shop filled with the most magnificent jewels.
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posted May 20, 2009 11:59 AM
" realy think we should include squares between the couples (soul mates)"
Yes, in terms of the soulmate pairings I agree. But only for them.
I also think that we should differentiate between the aspects. It is clearly a difference if you have two soulmate partners in conjunction or in quinkunx (I would create something like this:Eros conjunct Psyche: 5 pts
Eros opposite Psyche: 4 pts
Eros trine Psyche: 3 pts
Eros square Psyche: 2 pts
Eros quinkunx Psyche: 1 pt I would probably also give bonus points for exact aspects; either 1 bonus point for 00° - 00°59 aspects, or subtract from the score of the wider aspects.
"onjunct Persephone (though orb too wide) (5)"
I was thinking about the other zodiacs though.
Maybe you have a Persephone-Pluto link in heliocentric zodiac? Draconic? Sidereal- tropical?
Those would not substitute or validate the wide orb in natal, but maybe you have a pattern there, that you are not aware of?
It seems that the heliocentric represents our higher selves, and maybe we should take this one into account, too, like the Draconic, for fine tuning. "Pluto conjunct Lust - pluto is ruler of my seventh."
Whoa, pretty hot in here, isn`t it? 
"That is just natal, are you counting draco also?
Draco/draco draco/natal? "
I would maybe do it in a second step. Yes, could be interesting. But not as adding up to increas the soulmate calculation, that would be cheating. 
Yet, it would be interesting if we scored higher in the Draco chart (which I suspect, as we are not in physical contact).
But of course we are looking at more possible aspects (comparing Draco-Draco, Draco-natal, natal-Draco) so we probably have to increase the point-measurements with the factor 3.
You know instead of 30 points, looking out for 90 points. "DD, have you noticed the harmonics enhancing the natal synastry."
Yes, in pretty bombastic ways. lol In 2nd harmonic R and me have DW Moon-Pluto-conjunction, wide DW of Venus-Mars-conjunction (5 degree, so very wide and probably just interesting to see the pattern) and Venus-Pluto-conjunction. In synastry we have the MOon-Pluto-opposition, Venus-Mars-square and even though we do not have a Venus-Pluto-aspect, each of us has natally a Venus-Pluto aspect (square and opposition). IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 01:28 PM
Pluto conjunct Lust - pluto is ruler of my seventh." (0)
Whoa, pretty hot in here, isn`t it?
Tell me about it, and my lust conjunct his moon (0) Moon rules his NN. and pluto also rules his IC, Moon rules my IC
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posted May 20, 2009 01:32 PM
Moon- Pluto - Lust - NN - ICSame configuration of planets / points I have with R. His Moon-Lust-NN conjunct my IC and opposes my Pluto and trines my NN and Lust (and Mars, ASC and Neptune. lol)
It`s emotionally intense I guess.
You know looking at the synastry I wonder how it would feel to be in the same room with him.
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posted May 20, 2009 01:36 PM
Never tried that, But his natal chart has jen conjunct his Eros and cupido, Guess we know who it would affect more!!!
(possibly)
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posted May 20, 2009 01:42 PM
You wish! No seriously, he would go completely gaga for a Jennifer; hopefully it will be you and not Jennifer Aniston.
Just kidding of course. R`s name in my chart is conjunct Valentine and Mesopotamia and his DR name in my chart is conjunct Siva and Lancelot. My name in his chart is conjunct Mesopotamia and DR Valentine and DR Cupido. Actually my name in his chart falls onto my Venus-Isis-Osiris-Guinevere-Spirit conjunction which is the midpoint of his Moon/Lust/NN-Mars-opposition and falls into his 8th house. lol
His name falls into my 12th house. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted May 20, 2009 02:13 PM
I know it is me and that is the best part! His draco mars and Uranus are sitting on his natal Jennifer and Jenny Taylor (0) conjunct my ASC, juno and venus And this jenny Taylor has Mars in Uranus.
and his 5th harmonic Jenny on my natal sun
(0). Plus my cupido conjunct his name opp his jenny, cupido, Eros and my draco sun sits conjunct my cupido opp his natal Eros (0) I just may get the last laugh after all!
and my aphrodite on his point of obsession. IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 02:23 PM
BTW - the fifth harmonic is described as bringing two things together that are naturaly seperate and making the into one. Links in the H-5 can become obsessive IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 02:27 PM
Where is this described? I also read that the 5th relates to creativity, inspiration that gets "manifested" and hence also to sexuality. So shall we have a look at the quintile`s harmonic? IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 02:45 PM
Oops, just had a glance.In R`s 5th harmonic there is a close Kerstin-Eros-Pluto-conjunction. And that triple conjunction opposes my exact Moon-Mars conjunction in my 5th harmonic. How would you interprete that?
Oh and of course his Kerstin-Eros-Pluto-conjunction is just currently conjuncted by the transiting Jupiter-Neptune-Chiron conjunction. lol
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posted May 20, 2009 02:45 PM
I read that in Hamblin's book In second - we accept the world as it is and struggle to find our place in it.
In third - he accepts the world as it is and revels in it In fifth - He strives to change the world and make it other than how he found it. Our strive to change something can become an obsession with us. our creativity - art, science can become our obsession even people. His ninth harmonic moon is conjunct My natal ASC and His MC(0) and is where my 9th harmonic NN is sitting.(0) IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 03:16 PM
I will have to take a closer look and see what he is trying to bring together/change.
that has to do with me. IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 03:47 PM
So his Jenny conjuncts your ASC?Well that is a clear sign that it is you. IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 04:03 PM
his jenny conjunct my venus (1)orb Even tighter
and my Gunivere on his Eros (0) the name jennifer originated from Gunivere. IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 04:21 PM
So funny, his Kerstin is also conjunct my Guinevere and Venus.His name in his chart is conjunct my Arthur.
And we have Lancelot-Lancelot opposition with his Lancelot sitting on his Karma exactly. IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 05:47 PM
This is weird DD. Ok it's not astrology but... gun man re-added me to facebook today and l just noticed he became my
555th friend lolI looked up the meaning of 555 and this is what it said! 555 - When you see this sign a life changing thought or event has just occurred. You may not like it, or you may. Whatever the case your Spirit Guides are notifying you that a change in your life path direction has just occurred and it is time for you to change too. Move with it, follow these thoughts. So maybe this is beyond our control... you know?
EDIT: OMG and this post was number 222 !!!!!
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posted May 20, 2009 05:57 PM
I just love that! I asked a question about G. because I was feeling unsure, Then went to the store and decided to get a new magazine to read while working out. Then I came across his picture and a quote.
He said "Once you understand that everything you're doing is about the stars aligning. Then you really don't take it for granted." IP: Logged |
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posted May 20, 2009 06:05 PM
Yes, those signs are just amazing, pretty overwhelming.Lara, I hope it is something good that happened to you. Vesta, that quote is brilliant. I didn`t know he was interested in the stars. I have been awoken by my radio today and they were playing "(Age of) Aquarius" from "Hair", and for some reason I felt transported back to a schooltrip almost 20 years ago!
LOL It was the first song I ever - consciously- heard from a musical, at least live.
And the funny thing is I have Moon in AQuarius, progressed Mercury and Venus and Antivertex are conjunct in Aquarius. Progressed Sun is also in Aquarius squaring Uranus.
Jude has Draco ASC and Draco Venus in Aquarius, and his progressed Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus are in Aquarius. Oh and his progressed Antivertex is also in Aquarius conjunct his Draco ASC and this transiting conjunction is between his Draco ASC on 21 degree and his Draco Venus on 26 degree (and my Psyche is on 24 degree and my BML is on 28 degree). And this other actor R has Sun, Venus, Jupiter and MC in Aquarius, and also progressed Venus. For all three of us it means that the ruler of DSC (Mercury and Jupiter) is in Aquarius. And not to forget the Jupiter-Chiron-Neptune conjunction in Aquarius at the moment, conjunct my Psyche, Sumeria and Urania. Can it get any more Aquarian? IP: Logged |
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