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vesta
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posted May 30, 2009 07:30 AM
 
yes I have looked at Italia, and last year it fell directly on my sun/venus conjunction in the solar return. I need to take another look though. In his natal he has jen and Italia conjunct with an asteroid that stand for radical change. (don't remember name of asteroid) I hope that is good and not bad I shold look a little deeper.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted May 30, 2009 07:34 AM
Yes, look at the progressions.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 30, 2009 08:53 AM
DD,
I am not very good at reading returns but did find that G. solar Aphrodite is sitting on my sun and solar venus. My progressed sun conjunct my natal venus and his progressed ASC conjunct my progressed sun / Venus. and conjunct natal ASC. This is what I fond about aphrodite from Kim:
Asteroid 1388 Aphrodite does not cover such a range in her rulership. She like a pure drop of “aphrodisiac” from the hem of Venus’s robe.
1388 Aphrodite relates to “Impulsive love and attractions, love inspired by fated events, animosity turning to magnetism, charisma.” When you add Aphrodite to a chart (conjunct a natal planet, or in synastry or transit) you get a sip of the aphrodisiac. You could be working on a budget plan and receive a call from someone who’s voice enchants you. You could be getting a fasting blood sugar test at the lab and the tech is drop dead gorgeous! You could be doing an advertisement design for new hair product and someone unexpectedly orders in a sumptuous meal. Get the idea? It’s a little drop of “yum”.
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posted May 30, 2009 10:50 AM
I can definitely subscribe to Kim`s interpretation of Aphrodite. That is exactly what she is.BTW R and me have a DW Sun-Aphrodite conjunction in the Dracos. His Dr Aphrodite on my Sun.
My Dr Aphrodite on his Sun.
All within 2 degrees. With all that information that is piling up astrologically, I think I probably would go insane should I ever be in the same room with him. lol IP: Logged |
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posted May 30, 2009 11:43 AM
I never looked at the draco, What a great idea!
his draco Aphrodite conjunct my natal Aphrodite
my draco Aphrodite opp his uranus.
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posted May 30, 2009 12:25 PM
In my opinion of all additional charts, it`s the Draco`s that has to be really taken serious; it has the most significance.
More than any harmonic chart.
Definitely.
In my opinion at least. You just have to be aware that it relates to the spiritual level more than to the physical expression as the tropical does.
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posted May 30, 2009 04:17 PM
DD, I think your right the harmonic just gives more detail about the tropical.
However the draco is the soul/spiritualThat is probly why I feel Johnny is my brother so strongly with his Isis, paradise and moon conjunct my tropical moon and my draco osiris conjunct his tropical sun. I bought the book on Draconic astrology by: Pamela crane. She mentions that the Draconic person stimulates the the tropical person.
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posted May 30, 2009 04:39 PM
Yes, the harmonics just shed light on certain aspects.However, I am not sure I agree with Pamela Crane on this one (I have her book, too).
If the Draconic is representative of the soul, wouldn´t it make more sense, if someone`s tropical affects us inside, if aspecting DRaconics placements?
At least thàt`s how I have always experienced and observed it.
The tropical is the manifestation on the physical plane, while the Draco is the soul / spirit.
And someone`s tropical planet aspecting our Draconic placements, will have a deep impact on us.
Oh yeah, tell me about Jude`s tropical Psyche precisely conjunct my Draco Eros, Vertex and Destinn and conjunct my tropical Moira. *deep sigh* IP: Logged |
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posted May 30, 2009 10:04 PM
G. draco Eros conjunct my tropical SN(0)
DSC conjunct my tropical sun(3)
My draco ASC conjunct his tropical NN (2)
My draco Juno conjunct his NN (0)
My draco venus conjunct his tropical Pluto(0)
His draco IC conjunct my tropical IC (2) conjunct my destinn (0)
His moria conjunct my Tropical ASC (0)
his Draco desiderata conjunct my tropical mars (0)
His draco DSC conjunct my tropical Psyche(0)
His draco ASC conjunct my Pluto (0)
His draco sun conjunct my tropical Neptune (1)
His draco pluto conjunct my tropical Sun (2)
his draco pluto conjunct my tropical jupiter (1)
His draco Kaali conjunct my tropical name in his chart and my tropical Kaali.(name 3)
(kaali 3)His draco venus opp my tropical venus (1)
his draco Aphrodite conjunct my tropical Aphrodite.
My draco sun conjunct his tropical mars (2)
My draco Guinevere conjunct his tropical Lancelot(0)
My draco jupiter conjunct his tropical mars(0)
my draco saturn conjunct his tropical Neptune (0)
my draco MC conjunct his tropical sun(1)
my draco Chiron conjunct his tropical Uranus (0) there's more but that is enough!
I have yet to look at draco to draco. Except I did notice my Draco Eros conjunct his draco sun (0) Which is my tropical neptune.
My draco moria and valentine conjunct his draco Vertex. (2-3)
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posted May 31, 2009 03:22 AM
me and Johnny Draco comparison My draco sun opp his tropical Eros (0)
My draco Psyche opp his Tropical Eros (2)
My draco psyche opp his Tropical cupido (0)
My draco sun opp his Tropical cupido (1)
My draco Osiri (0), amor (1) and mars (3)conjunct his tropical sun.
My draco ASC and Aura conjunct his Tropical Uranus (ruler of DSC)(0)
My Draco juno conjunct his tropical Mars(0)
My draco venus conjunct his tropical mars(2)
My draco venus conjunct his tropical Pluto(3)
My draco vertex conjunct His tropical DSC(0)
My draco moon conjunct his tropical moon (4)
His draco moon conjunct my tropical moon (1)
His draco Isis conjunct my tropical moon (0)
his sprirt, Uranus and mars conjunct my tropical venus
his draco DSC conjunct my tropical POF (0)
his draco valentine and ASC conjunct my Draco valentine and Moria (0-1)
His draco amor conjunct his Tropical jenny (0)opp my tropical cupido
His draco jennifer conjunct my tropical vertex.
His draco cupido and Eros conjunct my tropical Pluto (2-3)
His draco vertex conjunct my draco venus(0)
his draco vertex conjunct my draco juno(2)
his draco vertex conjunct my draco ASC(4)
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posted May 31, 2009 10:16 AM
Let me pick those of your Dracos, that I find very interesting.
G. draco Eros conjunct my tropical SN(0)
DSC conjunct my tropical sun(3)
- definitely interesting,e ven though I ususally limit the orb to 2 degree, but 3 degree will be valid, too
My draco ASC conjunct his tropical NN (2)
My draco Juno conjunct his NN (0)
My draco venus conjunct his tropical Pluto(0)
His draco IC conjunct my tropical IC (2) conjunct my destinn (0)
His moria conjunct my Tropical ASC (0)
His draco DSC conjunct my tropical Psyche(0) His draco ASC conjunct my Pluto (0)
His draco sun conjunct my tropical Neptune (1)
His draco pluto conjunct my tropical Sun (2)
His draco Kaali conjunct my tropical name in his chart and my tropical Kaali.(name 3)
(kaali 3)
His draco venus opp my tropical venus (1)
his draco Aphrodite conjunct my tropical Aphrodite. My draco sun conjunct his tropical mars (2)
My draco Guinevere conjunct his tropical Lancelot(0)
My draco jupiter conjunct his tropical mars(0)
my draco saturn conjunct his tropical Neptune (0)
my draco MC conjunct his tropical sun(1)
my draco Chiron conjunct his tropical Uranus (0) Except I did notice my Draco Eros conjunct his draco sun (0) Which is my tropical neptune.
WOW, this is such an intense, interlinked Draconic connection. REally strong aspects here!
I liked the Lancelot-Guinevere-aspect, too.
And those with Johnny I found interesting:
My draco sun opp his tropical Eros (0)
My draco Psyche opp his Tropical Eros (2)
My draco psyche opp his Tropical cupido (0)
My draco sun opp his Tropical cupido (1) My draco Osiri (0), amor (1) and mars (3)conjunct his tropical sun. My draco venus conjunct his tropical mars(2)
My draco venus conjunct his tropical Pluto(3)
My draco vertex conjunct His tropical DSC(0)
His draco moon conjunct my tropical moon (1)
His draco Isis conjunct my tropical moon (0)
his sprirt, Uranus and mars conjunct my tropical venus
his draco valentine and ASC conjunct my Draco valentine and Moria (0-1)
His draco amor conjunct his Tropical jenny (0)opp my tropical cupido
His draco jennifer conjunct my tropical vertex.
His draco cupido and Eros conjunct my tropical Pluto (2-3)
His draco vertex conjunct my draco venus(0)
his draco vertex conjunct my draco juno(2)
his draco vertex conjunct my draco ASC(4)
Also very strong aspects; I found these Moon-aspects interesting, indicating that this might be an emotional, family-like relationship.
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posted June 01, 2009 12:33 AM
DD, looking at my progressed chart - My ASC at critical degree 29 Leo Trine
Progressed Moon conjunct progressed and natal valentine and natal Moria conjunct 5th house cusp also critical degree Sag. Venetia and venusia conjunct natal Pluto in Libra progressed 2nd house progressed jen and progressed Italy conjunct my natal moon and natal Italy in Virgo progressed 2nd house. Progressed Fortuna conjunct progressed sun and natal venus, in Taurus Progressed 9th house. Natal 1st house
progressed NN in progressed 4th conjunct natal NN in natal 7th house.
Any thoughts?
I have an opinion but I would like yours
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posted June 01, 2009 08:23 AM
My instant thought:Something fated will happen in Italy, which will transform you big time (the Pluto).
And it probably will have to do with love, romance, or artistic creativity (Venusia, Venus); I think it will have to do more with love, though, as Moon is also part of the package.
So, I guess whatever happens will trigger and maybe transform your inner image of yourself as a woman or about relationships (romantic and caring) in a way.
I wonder what the 2nd house emphasis means. Will it relate to your values? Have physical manifestation?
Anyway seems very significant to me.
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posted June 01, 2009 08:58 AM
What`s your opinion on this?
° progressed ASC and progressed Amor conjunct natal Venus exctly (1st house natal)
° progressed Moira and progressed London and progressed Desiderata conjunct natal Amor (and Mars) (12th house) ° progressed Valentine conjunct progressed True Node conjunct progressed Richard all on my natal NN
° pr Valentine / pr NN / pr Richard opposing pr Karma (1st and 7th house) ° progressed Venus and Mercury opposite progressed Vertex (2nd and 8th house) ° progressed Vertex conjunct natal Davida and Cupido (8th house) ° prgoressed Jupiter conjunct natal Juno (3rd house) ° progressed Moon conjunct progressed (and natal) Kerstin opposing natal Moira and London (5th house) ° pr ERos exactly conjunct pr Canterbury conjunct my natal Vertex and also exactly conjunct my natal Destinn
Sabian is:
A Woman And Two Men Castaways On A Small Island Of The South Seas
(8th house)
° pr Sun opposing Canterbury (2nd and 8th house)
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posted June 01, 2009 10:26 AM
Look to cupido!(Davida)
Transformative, fated unconditional love, that is destined maybe to lead you to R. destined (true love)Karma!
just don't get caught up in the bog of desire, get clear on values.
Your caught between the two and will have to make a choice. Desire or destiny?
I know I stink at this! but I gave it a try
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posted June 01, 2009 10:51 AM
Well, I will be in London (and Canterbury for a day) and Jude hopefully will be in London, too, on stage that is.
So I can understand that Cupido-Davida-conjunction (David is his first name btw).
It also opposes his own name in his chart.So I think I probably would really really like him (Cupido). Did I mention that dream, in which Jude tried to shoot me with an arrow?  lol But what`s with that Richard-stuff?
I mean, there is NN, Richard, Valentine all conjunct and connecting to Karma (with both men I have a progressed Karma-ASC-DW, too).
PLUS my pr Eros/Canterbury and natal Destinn, Eros and Vertex oppose his natal Cupido / Valentine and his name in his chart (which falls onto his Draco Sun btw).
I don´t understand this.
Also, my progressed Sun on my progressed name in his chart, which falls exactly on his progressed DSC.
And all of that exactly opposes my natal Canterbury!
AND the transit Sun will be conjunct my natal Canterbury and opposing all this.
But he is American, far far away from England and Canterbury. So I don´t understand those progressed aspects.
They would be perfect for a meeting; something that just won`t hahppen. What a waste of astrological connections! *sighs
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posted June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
So, you think Jude would be desire? And R destiny?Strange, I never really though of Jude as "desire". Interestingly, Draco Davida conjuncts my progressed Valentine and NN and Richard, too. lol (Draco Richard conjuncts my Juno) IP: Logged |
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posted June 01, 2009 10:59 AM
DD, You don't know that it is a waste, what if for some reason he is there and the two of you meet. You never know when fate will step in!
Have you looked at his progressions and solar return?
Maybe it is none of the above but someone else that they are leading you to. IP: Logged |
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posted June 01, 2009 11:14 AM
Yes, we never know in which form fate appears.
As to Solar Returns, I had looked at my own, and it shows an exact Venus-NN-conjunction, on the exact degree of R`s Jupiter, his DSC ruler. lol
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posted June 01, 2009 03:46 PM
OK, you got me thinking about G. solar returnHis solar ASC conjunct my natal Moon (0)
His solar moon conjunct my natal pluto (0)
his solar venus 7th house conjunct my natal sun (0)
his solar valentine conjunct his natal jenny (2)
His solar jennifer opp his natal moon (0)
His solar cupido conjunct my moon (2)
His solar Isis conjunct my osiris (3)
his solar psyche opp my natal Eros (0)
his solar Eros conjunct my prog DSC (0)
his solar neptune and jupiter conjunct my Prog DSC (2-4)
his solar venusia opp his natal jennifer(0)
His solar amor conjunct my saturn (1)
His solar name conjunct my Eros (0)
His solar MC conjunct my name in his chart(0)
his solar DSC conjunct my ven/mar midpoint also his sun/moon midpoint opp my natal moon.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:08 PM
Definitely strong interconnections, even though of course everyone born on the same day (no matter which year) would have most of these connections to your chart.Maybe it would make most sense to look at houses and houserulers? But even with all that in mind, very strong. 
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posted June 01, 2009 05:46 PM
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I`m going to post the Draconics now. What do you think, which one is the one with Jude, and which one belongs to Richard?Also, which do you like better? A: Draco - Draco his Sun conjunct my amor
his Valentine opposite my Amor
his Valentine opposite my Valentine his Vertex conjunct my Karma his BML conjunct my Chiron his Destinn conjunct my ASC his Moira and Aphrodite on my IC
his Psyche on my MC his Amor opposite my Saturn
Tropical - Draco
his Sun oppoiste my Juno
his Valentine conjunct my Juno his Moon opposite my Venus his Venus opposite my Psyche
his Saturn conjunct my Psyche
his Saturn conjunct my BML his Pluto conjunct my Karma his DSC conjunct my Moon
his ASC conjunct my Cupido his Vertex conjunct my IC his Karma oppoiste my BML his Moira opposite my Vertex and Eros
his Psyche conjunct my Vertex, Eros and Destinn his Eros conjunct my Amor his Aphrodite opposite my Vertex, Eros and Destinn Draco - Tropical his Venus conjunct my Psyche and BML
his Saturn opposite my BML his Pluto opposite my Karma his ASC conjunct my Psyche his Vertex conjunct my Pluto his juno conjunct my Moon his Chiron opposite my Sun his MOria conjunct my Eros and Destinn
his Aphrodite conjunct my Dstinn
his Psyche opposite my Vertex and Destinn his Valentine opposite my juno
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Draco - Draco his Sun conjunct my MC his Moon conjunct my Mars, Neptune and ASC
his Mars and Juno conjunct my DSC his Pluto conjunct my Chiron his Antivertex conjunct my Venus his Chiron opposite my Moon
his Chironc onjunct my Cupido his BML conjunct my Venus his Karma opposite my Saturn
his destinn conjunct my Saturn Tropical - Draco his Sun conjunct my Aphrodite his Moon opposite my Karma
his juno conjunct my Karma his Saturn opposite my Valentine his DSC conjunct my Cupido his Vertex conjunct my Saturn his Chiron opposite my BML his BML opposite my Saturn his karma opposite my Destinn
his Destinn conjunct my Vertex, Eros and Destinn his Eros conjunct my Amor his Cupido and Valentine conjunct my MC his Aphrodite opposite my Juno Draco - Tropical: his Sun opposite my Vertex, Destinn and Eros his Saturn opposite my Juipter
his Eros conjunct my Jupiter his DESC conjunct my Amor his Chiron conjunct my ASC, Neptune and NN his Moira opposite my Pluto his Psyche conjunct my BML hs Aphrodite conjunct my Sun his Eros oppoiste my Amor IP: Logged |
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posted June 02, 2009 10:04 AM
A = Jude B = R. as to wich one I like best, I personally like A best. I like the valentine opp valentine Johnny and I have dr.valentine conj dr. valentine we also have a trop destinn conj trop union IP: Logged |
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posted June 02, 2009 10:40 AM
You said look to the rulers for solar return, for me the Sun is the ruler of my solar ASC (Leo,critical degree) and the progressed sun is conjunct my venus.
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