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posted May 27, 2009 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I have been looking at the 5th harmonic (what does it represent again?)

Jude`s 5th:
There are no conjunctions / oppositions with my name in his 5th

His Cupido conjuncts my ASC and opposes my Davida/Cupido/Uranus

HIs Amor conjunct my Saturn on 24 Virgo
A FLAG AT HALF MAST IN FRONT OF A PUBLIC BUILDING

His Psyche conjunct my MC on 24 Libra
The Sight Of An Autumn Leaf Brings To A Pilgrim The Sudden Revelation Of The Mystery Of Life And Death

HIs pluto conjunct my MC

my 5th:
Davida conjuncts Uranus and Cupido on the DSC. lol

my Amor opposes his Sun/Eros-conjunction

My Eros opposes his Saturn (and R in his chart. lol)

My Aphrodite / Mercury (yes, voices and words are aphrodisiac to me. ):
opposes his Chiron
Sabian of my Aphrodite / Mercury is:
A GAME OF CRICKET


My Adonis conjunct his Moon


My Pluto conjuncts my Proserpina exactly on 15 Scorpio:
A GIRL´S FACE BREAKING INTO A SMILE

and it conjuncts his Mercury / MC-conjunction
and it opposes his Proserpina EXACTLY

WOW! I`m positively s t u n n e d


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posted May 27, 2009 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, that is what I kind of thought too with using the myth.

I figured there would be a good connection with cupido there in the 5th.


George 5th harmonic Eros conjunct my natal sun.

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posted May 27, 2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
With R:

My 5th:

R conjuncts Persephone and Chiron


my Aphrodite / Mercury EXACTLY opposes his Adonis.

My Pluto / Proserpina conjuncts his Mars and SN


His 5th:

Kerstin conjuncts Pluto and Eros
Wow, that looks intense


His Kerstin / Eros / Pluto conjunction opposes my exact Moon/Mars-conjunction
- Did I say something about intense? Forget it, that is pure fire. LOL

My Moon-Mars-conjunction is on 25 Leo
AFTER THE HEAVY STORM A RAINBOW

- well, of course it means that this synastric gigantic opposition is triggered by the current transiting Jupiter-Neptune-Chiron-conjunction. lol

His Cupido conjunct my IC


His Venus exactly opposes my Adonis
- and probably it is not a coincidence that this is falls exactly onto the Pluto/ Cupido - Moon/Venus opposition we have in natal!


His Persephone conjuncts my DSC

His Psyche conjuncts my Sun


It seems that we have two sort-of DW`s:

1. Mars-Pluto
2. Venus/Aphrodite - Adonis.


Hmm and with my name in his chart conjunct Eros and Pluto he probably wouldn`t be completely unimpressed by me. lol

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posted May 27, 2009 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I haven`t yet looked at the natals (even though I sort of noticed that R`s 5th Sun exactly conjuncts my Karma and my Pluto / Proserpina opposes his Karma and my Sun falls onto his natal DSC).

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posted May 27, 2009 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I like the 7th with George the best!

His Moria conjunct my natal DSC

His Name conjunct my name in his natal (0)

his cupido conjunct my name in his natal (0)


Jennifer and Juno conjunct his natal neptune
Trine 7th Neptune(0) same degree as his jenny and George(0) trine his jenny natal chiron and natal juno.

his pluto conjunct my natal sun.

his vertex conjunct my natal cupido.

will have to look at harmonic to harmonic now!

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posted May 27, 2009 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,


"Can we count the IC?"
Not this time.

Let me explain. This calculator is focused on romantic relationships, and even though the IC is of UTMOST importance for soulmate-connections (maybe that would be a good filter rule, too), it is not romantic.
Of course it helps in romantic relationships, too.

But high IC-interaction rather indicates a family-connection, very deep and emotional, yes.
If you want to know if someone can touch you really deeply, apart from the usual attraction-pattern, then you should look at IC, but I wouldn´t count it for the score.


" So would they not be relevant simply cos they all mesh together? Just wondering... "
Of course it`s relevant, it just won`t get into the calculation.
AS I said the calculation is just a starting point; after that of course you should notice patterns, even if they are not within 2 degree orb.
But it`s hard to tell when we start grasping for straws orb-wise.
And I like to be on the secure side in that regard, meaning, tight orbs.


My sun conjunct his NN (0)
My karma conjunct his SN (0)
My juno conjunct his SN (1)
My NN trine his juno (0)
Those would definitely be counted.


"My karma opp his moon (4)
My NN conjunct his eros (5)"
No, I wouldn`t c ount these. There is no meshing as I had thought.
Important meshing could be:
His Eros conjunct your NN with 5 degree, but his Eros also exactly or within 2 degree orb conjuncts your Moon and Venus. I think if there is one or two aspects within orb, they might draw the wider orbed aspect in.
But again, useful for later analysis, but not for the counting.


"it's such a grey area though as to what gets counted and what not to?"
Actually, it`s not such a grey area, if you base the orbs on astronomy (well, it might be a little bit grey still. lol).
The sky shows us 3 degree orb.
Of course we can discuss, if the astronomers are right and if it is relaly a fullmoon or new moon what they call it. lol
But if you make a chart (or actually two charts, for the beginning and the end) for the fullmoon and the time they say it is REALLY Full, you will notice that they already call it fullmoon three degree before it is exact, and three degree after.

And it`s the orb that definitely works; others may work, too, but it`s like the intensity "fizzles out".

"I think the names should be counted if they aspect strong areas just because they are so bang on!

hmmm wonder what DD thinks "
My take on this:

First of all, no I`m not going to count names in the calculator for a simple reason.

You would have the same aspects with everyone having that name; but you want to know aobut your relation to THIS Andy and not any Andy. I`ve known at least 3 or four Andy`s in my life; well, no surprise, Andy conjuncts my Mars, ASC and NN.
Yet I seriously doubt that YOUR Andy will play a role for my purpose in life.


Names are only important if other things in the individual chart indicate that he is identified with that name.

Example:

His Sun conjuncts Andy in your chart.
He embodies (Sun) or is carrying (Sun-conjunction) the qualities you identify with Andy.
It`s him in other words.

Another example could be, if his name in his chart somehow aspects his name in your chart - another identification.


In those case names can actually be very important and significant.

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posted May 27, 2009 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
In George 5th his Jennifer conjunct his Valentine trine my natal Moon.

Jenny conjunct the vertex

NN and cupido conjunct his point of destiny. (conjunct my venus)

His Kaali conjunct my natal Karma and Kaali

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posted May 27, 2009 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I`ve been having some thoughts on this calculator.

I don´t know if this is a soulmate potential calculator, maybe I`d rather call it "relational calculator"

Also, if I had to put down categories, I think they would be like this:

00 - 39
40 - 59
60 - 79
80 - 99
100 and more

I would do some additional analysis, though.


1. aspects of intensity

Twin Soul relationships or soulmate relationships will usually have a dominance of conjunctions and oppositions; indicating the same and complimentary energy.

If those are the most often aspects, it might indicate that this could be actually Twinsouls or soulmates or at least it would indicate a strong intensity


trines and squares
are less strong aspects concering "soulmate-status"; maybe they could indicate that you are from the same soulgroup though, just not as close as twinsouls. Maybe those are the "Soul-friends" and "Soul-enemy" aspects, even though the "enemy -square" is of course not really hostile. It still helps your growth, you will probably just not like it.


quinkunx
not sure about this one, there is an imbalance, maybe you don´t know what you shall think of each other, even though there is a connection.


2. aspects of harmony and challenges

conjunction and trine:
those indicate the potential for harmonious and smooth interaction (sometimes called "boredom" by some unmentioned firesigns. ).
But all in all it would indicate that you like each other


opposition, square:
challenging, sometimes volatile, something doesn´t run smoothly and you may fight with each other, despite your attraction


quinkunx
unbalanced, mysterious, sometimes confusing.
a lot of adaption is needed


the dominant theme

Most aspects on

Yin - Yang: strong attraction, a feeling of being "Other Halves".


Yin - yin: soft, feeling, emotional, caring; with many of these aspects you probably love to cuddle in front of TV with each other.


YAng - Yang: expressive, physical; could denote a physical attraction (but onesided, as the yin planets are missing); or it only indicates that you enjoy (with soft aspects) doing things together.
With Mars-Eros, Eros-Pluto, Eros-ERos or Cupid or Lust-aspects you know what you probably be doing with each other.

fate
Of course this relates to fate and karmic lessons; if you want to differentiate a bit:

general fate: Moira
past lives: SN, Karma (maybe Saturn)
Purpose, path, present lessons: NN, Destinn, Vertex

Now you can see how many aspects are mad for each group. Is there a dominant theme on Yin-Yang? You will be very attracted.
Is there a dominant theme on Fate? There are lessons to be learned.


Probably you can even see who feels most that this relationship is a fated one, and you can of course see, what kind of lessons or karma is at work here.
Karma in conjunction to Venus, Moon or Valentine is something different than Karma in conjunction to Mars, Eros and Lust of course.


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posted May 27, 2009 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
DD,
Eros truely love Psyche, but it was after he pricked himself that he fell in love with her.

I think cupido is love, being shot through the heart with his arrow. You instantly fall in love with the other. " love at first sight" it is the feeling of love that is instant.
AS for Eros he loved Psyche and is the God of love but he and Cupido are the same. However it was not until he pricked himself that he fell in love. same with Pluto and Persephone.

so he is attraction maybe even a little fated.

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posted May 28, 2009 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Actually the "prick-er" and the "prick-ed" are the same.

Cupido / Eros managed to accidentally pricked himself with his arrows and consequently fell in love with Psyche.


EDIT:
I never doubted that Eros and Cupido both are are some kind of "out of the blue-attraction".
It`s like you´re changed in an instant.

The interpretation depends probably if you believe if love at first sight is possible or if this isn´t rather romantic attraction or even lust.


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posted May 28, 2009 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I guess it is hard for me to see the diffrence between Eros and Cupido in aspects
we could even say a cupido/psyche aspect could be a soulmate pairing same as pluto/proserpina

Persephone/Proserpina
Eros/Cupido
one in the same.

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posted May 28, 2009 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely think that Cupido / Psyche qualifies as soulmate pairing, too.

In a weakened form even amore / Psyche does, but with emphasis on soul and emotional linking more than the whole erotic-emotional implications that Cupid / Eros-Psyche have.

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posted May 28, 2009 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 28, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
DD, I read this post by kim Falconer
I have circe conjunct Johnny's cupido and Eros.
my circe conjunct G. Jupiter
G. circe conjunct my NN
How would you interpret that?


Circe is an interesting one. Here is what I wrote about her when she was conjunct Eros. (I think her association with Pluto would make the energy deeply unconscious and tied up with issues of power, control, death and rebirth.--that fact that she is a witch and in your 8th house suggest that studying the arcane might awaken something very potent in you.

34 Circe, pronounce "KIR-kee, is a "C" class "main belt asteroid (orbiting between Mars and Jupiter).Circe was discovered on April 6, 1855 by J. Chacornac of Paris. It takes approximately nine years for her to complete a return.

Circe was an enchantress, a Witch of great power. The daughter of Helios (the Sun-consciousness) and Perse (the daughter of Okeanos-unconscious waters), she is celebrated for her knowledge of magic and the use of herbs to heal and to transform.

Circe lived on a beautiful island, Aiaia ,where she waited for lost sailors to come to her for help. Sometimes she helped them, and sometimes she gave them drugs before serving THEM for dinner! Remember what happened to Glaucus when he asked Circe for a love potion to turn Scylla's head?

Circe fell for Glaucus and he rejected her. In a fit of jealousy she poisoned Scylla's bathing pool. When Scylla waded into the water, the submerged half of her body was transformed into a combination of fish joined with six ferocious dogs' heads sprouting from around her waist. The dogs attacked and devoured anyone who came near and Scylla fled to a distant shore to live there alone, forever. Glaucus was mortified and fled both women!

Circe did experience love and erotic transformation with Odysseus, at least for a time. When Odysseus and his crew stumbled onto her island they quickly searched for food and water.

They found Circe instead!

As the men walked from the beach, they could hear sweet singing from Circe’s home in a forest glen. Wild animals came, wagging their tails, to greet the strangers. The men were charmed by her beauty and drank the potions she offered. As Circe’s drugs took effect, the men transformed into pigs. Circe herded them into pens and threw food on the ground before them.

The sole survivor, Eurylochos, escaped back to Odysseus and urged that they set sail immediately. He described the beautiful Circe and the awful things she did. Odysseus would not leave and went to Circe’s home alone.

Along the way, Odysseus met Hermes in the guise of a young man. This "young man" gave Odysseus a plant called ‘moly’ saying that it would "protect" him from the witch's potions.

Circe welcomed him as another victim and gave him her drugs but the Moly negated the effects. When Circe thought the drugs were working, she struck Odysseus with her wand. Odysseus drew his sword and sprang upon her and the astonished Circe surrendered. She released the twenty two pig-men and ceremoniously anointed them with another one of her potions. The men were restored to their original forms but they were taller and more handsome than before they had been "enswined".

After that, Odysseus stayed on the island of Aiaia for quite some time in the sweet and sensual embrace of Circe. They were lovers for years--long enough for Circe to have at least two children, Agrios and Latinos. (Theogony, 1010).

Circe has a rather strange relationship to love. She certainly likes to be in 'control' with her potions and her annihilation/mutilation of rivals. Her love spells were irresistible, however. In the 8th, she is awakened by Eros! With Pluto she comes with power 1000 fold!

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posted May 28, 2009 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I promise to come back to your post for me DD, i'm just not on my computer at moment but will be home at weekend

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posted May 29, 2009 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
My Circe is conjunct my Sun and Mercury on the GC (also conjunct Kleopatra, Caesar, Reiki, Sekhmet and Merlin - words are powerful magic for me).


Don`t know how this works in synastry though.
Maybe Circe has seductive appeal over a man?
Of course she also hs to do with witchcraft and power.

With Your Nn on G´s Circe, you could be, or at least it is part of your destiny, to embody his "Circe", what he views as not completely trustworthy, but very seductive and appealing woman?

Interestingly, jude`s Circe is exactly conjunct my Karma. lol

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posted May 29, 2009 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks DD

I found an asteroid that was listed on another site and it is related to venus, I looked at it and I am not quite sure how it works But it does make nice connections.

499 - Venusia

My Venusia is conjunct my Pluto, conjunct G. moria and opp his venus.

G. has his Venusia conjunct my valentine(0)and Moria, opp my name in his chart

Also asteroid,

344 - Desiderata - I think this one has significance.

this one has to do with erotic desire.

Johnny's sits on my chiron 22.50 Aries.
His Desid - 22.51 Aries. (0)

G has his at 20.27 cancer conjunct my IC.(2)

Mine is trine my ASC (0)
and G NN is trine my desid. (0)

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posted May 29, 2009 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I stumbled across Venusia and Desiderata, too.

I think Venusia is about all these enjoyable and pleasureable things.
And Desiderata means: "She who is being desired".


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posted May 29, 2009 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Well, even better he has my name progressed to his desiderata. conjunct progressed amor

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posted May 29, 2009 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
My Venusia is conjunct my own Pluto and conjunct R`s Mars and SN, opposing his Moon and Lust and trine his ASC.

My Desiderata is on 14 Scorpio. LOL Another one. I already have Siva, Lancelot, Eurydike, Moira and London there. lol
Actually Desiderata, Moira, Siva and London are ALL on the same degree!

It conjuncts R`s Destinn and Siva and opposes his Karma and Lancelot, squares his Venus-jupiter and also squares his Pluto and trines his Psyche.

R`s Venusia conjuncts my Vertex and Eros. lol
And his Desiderata sits on his DESC and conjuncts my Neptune and True Node opposing my Kaali.
So is it my fate to desire him or to be desired by him?

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posted May 29, 2009 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Wow I never noticed before but in R`s progressed chart, my name has exactly progressed to his DSC.

In my progressed chart there is a progressed conjunction of his name, Valentine and Neptune on my True Node opposite progressed Karma!

ADding to that is the fact, that his progressed Karma is conjunct my natal DSC, and that my progressed Karma conjuncts his natal ASC.

my progressed Moon and name in my chart conjunct his natal Karma (and opposing his Destinn).

his pr Moon conjunct my DSC.

In Jude`s chart:

My progressed name in his chart conjuncts his pr ASC, conjuncts his tropical True Node and Destinn and Shakespeare. Wow!


HIs pr Venusia-Moira-IC-conjunction falls on my natal own name, my progressed Moon and opposes my natal Moira.
His pr Karma conjuncts my pr ASC and natal Venus.
my pr Karma conjuncts his natal DSC.

His pr Desiderata conjuncts my pr Karma and my natal Kaali.

His pr Sun-Moon-mp exactly conjuncts my natal Moon (as he has pr Sun-Moon-conjunction, it also means that his pr Sun conjuncts my Moon as well as his pr Moon).


ALL on the day when I am first seeing him on stage. lol


As for me:

my pr Desiderata / Moira conjuncts his natal Mars.


my pr Destinn / Saturn conjunct his natal SN And opposes his natal Destinn and Shakespeare.


Whoa it is getting creepoier:
My progressed London will be conjunct my pr Moira, pr Desiderata and natal Amor, conjunct his natal Mars!


My pr Canterbury will be exactly on his natal Vertex!
Hey I`m going to visit Canterbury, maybe he should, too. lol


Oh and looking at R`s chart:

R`s pr Moira will fall exactly on my PoM and actor, and Transiting London will be exactly conjunct!
I think he should get on a plane and visit London, too. ROFL


Transiting NN is conjunct his pr DSC with my name on it!!!!
And it`s opposing my Canterbury!!


Transiting Kerstin will be exactly on his pr Moon and pr Karma.


TRansiting Karma will be on hsi SN and Mars, my Pluto and Venusia.


his pr London and Canterbury oppose my natal Union.

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posted May 29, 2009 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
DD, here is an interesting thought

G. has his natal desiderata at 23 cancer trine his Aphrodite.
In his 9th harmonic it is conjunct his Aphrodite and my natal desiderata at the same degree and his natal union (0)

His 7th harmonic Desiderata is conjunct his venusia and DSC at 23 tarus. conjunct My 7th harmonic valentine(0) and psyche, DSC at 22 tarus (1)

My 7th harmonic desiderata is cojunct his natal desiderata.

his 5th harmonic desiderata conjunct my natal vertex.(2)conjunct my natal desireata


I LIKE THE 7TH HARMONIC !!!

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posted May 29, 2009 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
WEll, it´s about things that inspire and enthuse you after all.
Plus there is something mystical going on.


Well, I forgot to mention in the progressed with R.

My progressed name on his progressed DSC.
PLUS my progressed Sun conjunct (his pr DSC and my name on it)
PLUS Transiting NN conjunct all of this.
PLUS Transiting Sun will be opposing this all on the day I go to London.


Too bad he is American.
It would be great to meet him.

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posted May 29, 2009 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
DD,

G. has his progressed DSC to frigga and Denver (where I live) frigga is the married woman.
His 9th cusp sits there and his seventh harmonic ASC also his natal par of fortune.

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posted May 30, 2009 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Have you ever tried looking at your asterod "italia" in you chart? You will be in Italy for a while, won`t you?
I mean specifically the progressed chart or maybe even Solar return.

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