posted November 30, 2009 08:55 AM            

DD i think some of your sabians are"WOW" but i can't list them right now as i'm on my mobile today.

posted November 30, 2009 11:39 AM            

Popcorn,

why do you think Proserpina is reflected better by Taurus?

posted November 30, 2009 01:41 PM            

My PROSERPINA (shift) sun cj his n valentine (0)
My PROSERPINA (shift) moon/venus cj his n MC (2)
My PROSERPINA (shift) Pluto cj his n Persephone (1)
My PROSERPINA (shift) NN/Saturn cj his n Pluto (2)
My PROSERPINA (shift) AC opp his n venus (1)

My PERSEPHONE (shift) Pluto cj his n NN (0)
My PERSEPHONE (shift) Pluto opp his n Briede (3)
My PERSEPHONE (shift) NN/Saturn cj his n valentine (0)

His PROSERPINA (shift) sun cj my n groom (3)
His PROSERPINA (shift) moon cj my n psyche (1)
His PROSERPINA (shift) venus opp my n valentine (2)
His PROSERPINA (shift) Pluto opp my n vertex (3)
His PROSERPINA (shift) Saturn opp my n Proserpina (1)
His PROSERPINA (shift) opp my n valentine (1)

His PERSEPHONE (shift) sun cj my n IC (2)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) moon cj my n moon/venus (3)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) venus cj my n briede (2)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) mars opp my n groom (2)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) Pluto opp my sun/moon mp (0)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) Saturn opp my n Proserpina (1)
His PERSEPHONE (shift) AC opp my n valentine (1)

posted November 30, 2009 01:44 PM            

My PROSERPINA (shift) Pluto cj his n Persephone (1)

It is the entire pluto/proserpina/persephone in one!! lol

Lots of valentine aspects there too

posted November 30, 2009 02:23 PM            

quote:

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Mars rules Scorpio mathematically, and Venus 0 to Taurus gives the opposite energy.

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posted November 30, 2009 02:51 PM            

Anyway, in IQ`s system (or actually Tobey`s) Aries is ruled by Pluto, not by Mars, so Persephone / Proserpina at the beginning of 00 Libra definitely makes sense.

Of course if we say that Pluto rules Scorpio, we would have to find Persephone / Proserpina in the opposite sign, Taurus.

Regarding that siva discussion, I strongly disagree with mixing up the different mythologies too much.

Besides except for Persephone / Proserpina (and this was just a test I think) we are using exclusively planets for the shift charts, not asteroids. And we are using those planets whose symbolism fits the zodiac signs, who rule the zodiac sign. I am not sure that asteroids could have this role; well if they had, then we would probably have hundreds of rulers for every sign.

But it is all a matter of opinion in the end.

I thought it was interesting that IQ said that the most relevant informations are in the Moon and Saturn charts. I wonder if we can compare these two with each other, too?

Lara,
did you notice strong interactions in the Moon charts.
I think I remember a very strong Moon chart synastry with Paul, which makes much sense to me as my Moon is on his SN. But maybe that is just coincidental?

Also, I thought the synastry of the shift charts with Paul is surprisingly strong. I didn`t expect this.

posted November 30, 2009 03:08 PM            

DD - ummm
my moon sun cj his n sun and his moon NN
my moon mars opp his moon pluto
my moon pluto cj his n MC
my moon AC opp his n NN
his moon sun opp my n moon/venus
his moon mars cj my n AC
his moon NN cj my moon sun
his moon pluto opp my moon mars

my saturn mars cj his n NN
his saturn mars opp my saturn AC
his saturn saturn cj my saturn moon/venus
his saturn AC opp my saturn saturn/NN/moon/venus

posted December 01, 2009 02:06 AM            

I know article. One of my favourites.

I could only have a quick glance at your Moon and Saturn chart yesterday, but the Sun-Moon-one jumped out at me as well as some of the NN-aspects.

I sometimes feel that, while we are dazzled by the flashy asteroid aspects (which are important, too, don`t get me wrong), we tend to somehow ignore or forget or downplay some of the basic aspects, which for me are including Sun, Moon, ASC and NN. To have a tight aspect between those indicates clearly that two souls are "talking to each other", that there is a connection of the inner core of two people. At least that is my opinion.

posted December 01, 2009 02:30 AM            

JUDE:

SATURN CHART
my X MOON conjunct his X TRUE NODE
my X VALENTINE conjunct his X MOON
my x EROS opposite his X KARMA

my X SUN conjunct his DESC on 9 Gemini
my X VENUS opposite his KARMA
his X SUN conjunct my EROS (on his natal Atlantis on 21 Cancer)
his X JUNO conjunct my KARMA on 16 Gemini
his X VALENTINE opposite my EROS (orb is: 0.0)

MOON CHART
my X PLUTO opposite his X KARMA

my X KARMA conjunct his MOON
his X SATURN Conjunct my MOON on 17 Aquarius
his X PLUTO conjunct my DESC

PAUL

SATURN CHART
my x MOON conjunct his x PLUTO
my x PLUTO conjunct his x VENUS

my x ASC conjunct his MOON
my x ASC Conjunct his JUNO
my x TRUE NODE conjunct his JUNO
his x SN conjunct my VENUS on 6 Capricorn

MOON CHART
my x ASC conjunct his x PLUTO
my x VENUS conjunct his x EROS

my x SUN conjunct his KARMA
my x VENUS Conjunct his MOON on 19 Taurus
his x SUN copposite my VALENTINE
his x VENUS conjunct my KARMA
his x VALENTINE opposite my VENUS

ANDY

SATURN CHART
my x ASC conjunct his x JUNO on 20 Taurus

my x PLUTO conjunct his SATURN
his x PLUTO opposite my SUN
his x VALENTINE opposite my EROS

posted December 01, 2009 06:27 AM            

I will post an indepth anaylsis of the Moon Shift when I complete some more research.

Hi Popcorn,
These are new areas of research. You can try out Venus in Taurus as well as Libra, if you find a precise aspect with the Sun, Moon, North Node, Pluto or VALENTINE, you are on the right track. I have been finding more success with Venus shifted to 0 Taurus.

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posted December 01, 2009 07:04 AM            

yes Lara`s aspects with her twin are really out of this world.

Oh and I am looking forward to read your analysis, as well the one of the Moon Shift chart as the results to your brainstorming.

posted December 01, 2009 10:04 AM            

If so Johnny pluto shift Juno conjunct my natal sun 0 degree

and his pluto karma conjunct my natal karma 2 degree

what could that mean?

I remember Heaven/angel saying johnny and V were a karmic relationship and found that his saturn shift sun conjunct her natal moon.

posted December 01, 2009 11:51 AM            

"I remember Heaven/angel saying johnny and V were a karmic relationship and found that his saturn shift sun conjunct her natal moon."
This Sun-Moon-connection in Saturn Shift, Venus Shift or Moon Shift charts seem to be found frequently in soulmates / twinflames, too.

I think IQ mentioned Dana and Christopher Reeves;
Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward had that in Saturn Shift chart, too.
Lara and her Twin have that in Moon Shift chart.
A friend of mine who has been with her the ONE for 5 years has a Sun-Moon linked aspect in Venus chart (his Ven Moon conjunct her Ven Pluto; her Ven Sun conjunct his Ven Pluto - so the link is through Pluto in this case).
Johnny Cash and June Carter had a Sun-Moon-opposition in Draco.
My parents have that in tropical.

In the very least Sun-Moon aspect seems to indicate some kind of personal glue between two people.
But of course it depends on the other aspects, too.

Exact Juno-Sun conjunction sounds great, too. Who wouldn`t want to embody "Sun) a guy`s idea of a wife (Juno)?

" have yet to look at others but will post if interested?"
Well, I am not yet finished with researching and understanding the Moon and Saturn Shift chart. And since IQ said that we get all vital informations from there, I want to delve more deeply into these charts; and then I was thinking about looking at Venus and Mars Shift charts for attraction / romance / love.
And after that Pluto - Proserpina for the transformational themes.

I am in the "I want to dissect and really understand how it is interpreted" mood rather than just listing aspects for now, of which I am more than guilty myself I guess.

But I suggest that if we list these aspects, we could do it in complimentary pairs.
Moon-Saturn
Venus-Mars
Pluto - Proserpina/ Persephone (maybe)

I am yet not completely certain, what each chart exactly sais.

But sure, I am interested in reading your aspects.

"Are we also compare shift to shift as well? "
Yes, I think so.

posted December 01, 2009 01:19 PM            

I'm also sure for my self in that persephone/prosperina start from taurus 00. I think that's so intresting and going to check it out more and more. I know you think different here and maybe you have right. Perheps I will change my mind

posted December 01, 2009 01:21 PM            

Reason being is that with George My proserpina is conjunct his pluto in the natal
his valentine conjunct my sun and venus conjunct my sun as well as his lust conjunct my ASC. My name on his 8th house cusp as well in the natal ( you should see his lust persona compared to my chart!)

His pluto shift chart vs my natal

His valentine opp my ASC 1 degree
His eros opp my NN 1 degree
his juno opp my sun 1 degree
His DSC conjunct my sun 1 degree

His Moon shift
His nn opp my ASC 1 degree
his saturn conjunct my sun 2 degree
his pluto opp my venus 0 degree
his juno conjunct my venus 3 degree
his karma conjunct my venus 2 degree
his karma conjunct my juno 0 degree

His venus shift vs my natal

his sun conjunct my ASC 1 degree
his NN opp my Mars 1 degree
his vertex opp my sun 3 degree

But with Johnny

My pluto shift vs his natal

My NN conjunct his venus 0 degree
My valentine conjunct his sun 1 degree

My venus vs his natal
My moon conjunct his ASC 1 degree
My sun conjunct his saturn 3 degree

His moon shift juno conjunct my NN 0 degree

His venus shift eros conjunct my NN 0 degree
Might explain why in his natal jennifer is conjunct his eros.

posted December 01, 2009 02:17 PM            

Tbe shift charts have always to be interpreted in terms of the shifted planet.
At least I think so.