posted November 24, 2009 01:29 PM            

I think what IQ refers to as "true love" or "karmic" soulmates is the same as the Companion Soulmates referenced in the article, which is what I would consider us to be. Soulmates, with karma, that have formed a romantic relationship in this life, as they have done in past lives.

I can't imagine being attracted to anyone else now that I've met him. If we are not meant to be together, I'm sure it will happen, but for the moment, I can't imagine...I've had strange experiences with him that I haven't had with anyone else, etc.

It feels weird to say that if my Twin is here and not him, then I don't want him LOL! But that's how I feel. I'm sure it would be different if I were to actually meet my Twin (oy--I don't even want to imagine feeling that torn), but he's all I see.

I love this quote:

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Sometimes the cup of love must be completely shattered before it can be built strong enough to hold the love of your Twin Flame. Steel is tempered through flame and your heart must be tempered through pain before it is strong enough to protect the love of your Twin...

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posted November 24, 2009 02:10 PM            

I think you are right. And there is nothing wrong with loving companionship soulmates.

Lara,

I used the modern rulers of the chartruler shifted chart.

With Jude:

my x Pluto conjunct his MOon (0)

With Paul:

my x Moon conjunct his ASC (2)
(my x Moon opposite his x Sun (2))

With Andy:

my x True Node conjunct his Sun (1)
my x Pluto opposite his Moon (0)
my x Pluto conjunct his DESC (0)

*sighs* as we said, this synastry has Pluto written all over it.

posted November 24, 2009 04:22 PM            

the "x" stands for the shifted chartruler planets, because they are of course different for every person.

posted November 24, 2009 04:52 PM            

my SUN 16' leo
my MARS 19' leo
his n moon 18' aqua

my AC 2' scorpio
his n venus 28' aries

my x PLUTO mars 19' leo
his x sun 21' leo

posted November 24, 2009 05:02 PM            

have you also checked for the aspects IQ suggested? Also in the other charts?

posted November 24, 2009 05:23 PM            

who knows?

posted November 24, 2009 05:25 PM            

only you know what you feel.
And as much as I love astrology, I don`t think we really NEED astrology to give us proof is someone is our Twinflame or not. If we can`t feel it inside, he most probably isn`t.

posted November 24, 2009 05:50 PM            

MOON-chart:
his xPLUTO conjunct my DESC (1)

MERCURY-chart:
his xNN opposite my SUN (1)

VENUS-chart:
my xMOON conjunct his DESC (2)

MARS-chart:
his xSUN conjunct my ASC (1)

JUPITER_chart:
his xPLUTO opposite my MOON (0)

SATURN-chart:
my xSUN conjunct his DESC (0)
his xDESC conjunct my SUN (2)

URANUS-chart:
my xPLUTO conjunct his SUN (1)

NEPTUNE-chart:
his xPLUTO conjunct my SUN (2)

PLUTO-chart:
his xDESC conjunct my ASC (2)

CHARTRULER-chart:
my xPLUTO conjunct his MOON (0)

The only chart that doesn`t click, is the Solar chart, but actually with a wider orb, even that would click, as my solar DESC is widely conjunct his Sun (3,5).

Pluto / ASC-DESC: once
Sun / NN: once
Moon / DESC: once
Sun/ASC-DESC: three times!
(if I count the wide orb: four times!)
Moon - Pluto: twice
Sun - Pluto: twice
ASC - DESC: once

posted November 24, 2009 10:02 PM            

You are a chart-checking machine LOL. I should pay you to do mine--it's exhausting. Amazing connections there though.

Popcorn, I agree with DD, you don't need anyone's validation on here. If you feel it, you feel it. What prompts us to check the aspects are our feelings.

posted November 24, 2009 11:38 PM            

Using orb provided by IQ, with regular planets, Juno, Vertex, & asteroids:

MS to MS (me to him)

MS ASC opposition MS Juno (2)
MS DSC conjunct MS Juno (2)
MS Mercury exact conjunct MS Mars
MS Venus conjunct MS Saturn (2)
MS Saturn conjunct MS True Node (1)
MS Juno conjunct MS Saturn (2)
MS Valentine opposition MS Juno (1)

MS to Natals

My MS Juno conjunct his natal Neptune (1)
My MS Valentine conjunct his natal Venus (1)

His MS ASC conjunct my natal Mercury (2)
His MS Juno conjunct my natal Saturn (2)
His MS Vertex conjunct my natal ASC (1)

What struck me with these was the amount of Juno and Saturn, including the double Juno/Saturn conjunction in MS to MS and his MS to my natal. Hmmm, wonder what to make of that? Since it is Juno & Saturn in the lunar shift perhaps it has something to do with emotional karma relating to marriage? Is this present or past life stuff (the Moon can be both)?

The Sabian for the exact MS Mercury-Mars conjunction is:

posted November 25, 2009 12:12 AM            

My shift is forward 7 to 0 Scorpio, his is forward 9 (easy enough, I love being an 80s baby with Pluto in late Libra LOL).

PS to PS (me to him)*these aspects mimic our closest aspects in natal synastry since our Plutos are so close together--some close synastric aspects got even closer and an exact synastric conjunction slightly widened. We did lose one exact orb though (synastric Sun/Saturn)...

PS ASC conjunct PS Sun (1)
PS DSC conjunct PS True Node(1)
PS Saturn opposite his PS Venus (2)
PS Saturn conjunct PS Karma (1)

PS to Natals

My PS ASC conjunct his natal Mars and Jupiter (1) (Mars/ASC again--sheesh--I really need to know what that means!)
My PS Vertex conjunct his natal Saturn (1)

His PS Mercury conjunct my natal Sun (2)
His PS Mars exact conjunct my natal Vertex
His PS Karma conjunct my natal Jupiter (1)

Lots of Mars action...we always have that. Tropical, Draco, doesn't matter. Both our Venuses are ruled by Mars (Scorpio/Aries). We have an exact Mars conjunction in our draco synastry (IQ was impressed). It shows up in the composite...everywhere! Even these shifted charts have Mars action all over the place. I often wonder if so much Mars is good or bad...it's never an opposition/square, always a conjunction, except in the composite, and that's a Mars/Uranus square which could be thought of as a "HOT" aspect. LOL! Perhaps that means we can accomplish a lot together...and have great sex

Sabian for exact PS Mars/natal Vertex conjunction

posted November 25, 2009 02:51 AM            

Wow, your Saturn is really attracted to your Mercury. He's not satisfied merely opposing Mercury. He goes and puts his ASC right on Mercury as well. Especially since they rule your Sun, Moon & ASC, those 2 planets and their opp must be key in your natal.

Are you frequently attracted to people who put something cnj one of those planets?
*bats her 16º Sag Sun eyelashes*
*being a clumsy Sag, of course gets a lash painfully lodged in her eyeball*

DD -
I'm with you on the Venus and Pluto charts.

iQ -

Thanks for the confirmation.

posted November 25, 2009 03:00 AM            

I have seen 7 pairs now who are not twin flames, neither are they karmic relationship soulmates and there is not even one significant conjunction in the Saturn Shift or Venus Shift Chart. Some good aspects are available in Draconic and Natals though, but not mindboggling aspects.

posted November 25, 2009 03:15 AM            

Hi Lara,
You are right that twin flames do not have karma towards each other but that is in the present lifeline where they are to meet and happily marry. Saturn Shift is showing the past life karma, just like how Draconics Show past life interactions and impulses/desires.
And you are onto something about the importance of the Venus Shift chart, as also the importance of compulsory numerological interconnections. I have seen the numerology evidence long ago, that is how I arrived at the checklist of twinflame couples to test the Shift Charts
Also, Saturn Shift may show the case of one Twin Flame who has become "ready" and the other who needs one more lifeline to attain that level.
Now the charts for these two will have tons and tons of Karmic aspects, mostly squares and oppositions. They will have these in Draconic Charts as well.

But overall, let us not forget the extremely important TRANSIT impact of the Saturn Shift charts for assessing the timing of important events.

DD wrote:
<<Speaking astrologically, I guess the shifted chart of the planet, that rules our ASC, might prove very significant, too. So in my case Jupiter, as Jupiter is my chartruler.>>
Absolutely true. This is why Pluto Shift was so impactful for me.

Diandra:
<< NOTE HIS SS Sun cj my SS ASC >>
This alone is sufficient, I would not chekc beyond this considering that the Natals and Draconics are already awesome

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posted November 25, 2009 04:29 AM            

if I am doing an analysis of the charts with these three guys, would you have a look?
Would it be valid, if I used Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, True Node, ASC, Valentine, Juno and Eros? Or is it too cluttering?

posted November 25, 2009 05:30 AM            

Let us use the following:
1. Tropical
2. Draconic
3. Secondary Chart
4. Chart Ruler Shifted Chart
5. Saturn, Venus, Pluto and Moon Shifts.

For conjunctions [2 degree orb] and oppositions [1 degree orb]:
Sun, Moon, Asc, Pluto, Saturn, NN, Venus, KARMA, Eros, Juno and Valentine.

This dilutes the probability to 1/6.

But... if you find a success in every chart, it indicates an overall probability of
nearly 1/240,000 which is very much miraculous.

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