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Topic: Your Saturn based Karmic Chart
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iQ
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From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 27, 2009 05:44 AM
  
<< Would you also put more emphasis on Shift planetary aspects to tropical planets than to Shift planets?
Or, in your observation, are they equal in significance? >>
Tough call. When the going gets tough, I jump into the Sabian Symbols for that degree.
Lets say a relationship is having an Abundance issue. I would check whether the Saturn Shift Degree of Venus aspects any abundance related Sabian of the other's Saturn Shift Chart or Tropical Chart. And take it from there.I have a very strong feeling that for personal analysis, just as Draconic Aspecting Tropical gives us clues to our progress, the Saturn Shft aspecting Moon Shift will give the clues to the solution of Karmic issues in our lifeline. For instance in my chart:
Moon Shift Saturn opposes Saturn Shift Venus. My wife's Saturn opposes my Venus exactly. Did I attract her because of the above frequency always running in my Astrological Aura ? If so, how many events are we attracting because of effects from Draconic, Saturn Shift and Moon Shift Charts on our Natal? These are very profound msyteries.
Just like the confounding probability of my daughter and I having the same Draconic Ascendant conjunct wife's Draconic Saturn and my Saturn Shift Chiron. And my wife's Saturn Shift Sun exactly conj my Tropical Neptune, and my daughter's draconic Venus conjunct my Saturn Shift Sun. And whats more, my daughter's Secondary Ascendant is exactly conjunct my Tropical Sun and my Moon Shift North Node. Exact. Do you see the interwoven matrix? Too precise. And the probability is driving me nuts....
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DD
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posted November 27, 2009 06:20 AM
IQ,I agree that the matrices are very intervowen, and of course they are all part of our personality, so all will be "active" simultaneiously. But I fear that if we start comparing every chart to every other, the results will get confusing as well as maybe arbitrary. So I think there needs to be rules regarding what we compare to find out what exactly. For example I definitely see the relationship that exists between Moon Shift and Saturn Shift chart, and I agree that the moon Shift chart can maybe act as a softener of Saturn or even being helpful in solving the issues. But would you also compare, let`s say Venus Shift Chart to Saturn Shift chart? And if you do, how do you make sure, the results will not get arbitrary? Lara, I wouldn`t consider Saturn SHIFT Saturn (strongly), because aspects wtih Saturn SHIFT Saturn will be present with everyone born on this planet. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 06:27 AM
This is true!!although with Saturn shift to natals, unless it's AC or moon, there will also many people whom touch these points. IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25
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posted November 27, 2009 06:58 AM
i now realized i didnt looked at SS to SS  Saturn SS to Saturn SS jOHN TO MINE Sun opose my VC
Moon opose my Venus
Neptune opose Child
Pluto opose Juno
North Node cj BODA
Felicitas opose POM/OSiris
House opose Boda
ASC cj his VALENTINE!
IC opose MOON 0
ANTIVERTEZ exact cj my NODE and PF 0
Juno opose Valentine
VALENTINE EXACT CJ MY NODE 0 
VALENTINE cj my PAIR FORTUNE 1º
KARMA opose Vertex 2º/ POM/OSIRIS 4º Amor exact cj Briede 0º
Union cj Venus
Briede cj my Boda wide 4º
VENUS SS TO VENUS SS CHART
Mine to JOhn Moon cj Boda ( cj his Draco karma)
Osiris cj my Karma and opose Felicitas
Isis cj his Draco Valentine
UNION cj my ASC 0º(we have this exact in tropical too)
UNION cj his Draco NN 2º
BRIEDE CJ HIS DSC 0º 
GROOM opose his Union and his IC
BODA wide cj his NN 4º/ opose House
BODA opose his draco Juno
FELICITAS opose Valentine
Child cj Briede
Child cj his Draco Valentine ASC cj Sun
IC opose Briede
Karma wide cj Draco asc 4º
House cj Groom between 0ºand 1º
John´s SS Venus Sun cj my Draco Venus
.. .. .. Moon cj my Draco Sun
.. .. .. Valentine cj my Draco Osiris
.. .. .. Felicitas cj my Draco ASC
.. .. .. ASC cj my D.NN and D.ISIS 3º
.. .. .. DSC cj my Draco kARMA
.. .. .. KARMA cj my DRACO DSC DW!! 
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Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 07:59 AM
His VENUS (shift) BRIEDE cj my n BRIEDE (3)
my VENUS (shift) BODA opp his n KARMA (1)
my VENUS (shift) BRIEDE cj his dr n DC (1)
his VENUS (shift) BRIEDE cj my dr n VALENTINE (2)
his VENUS (shift) GROOM opp my dr n BODA (2)
my VENUS (shift) groom cj his VENUS (shift) groom (0)
my VENUS (shift) LARA cj his VENUS (shift) UNION (1)
his VENUS (shift) PETER cj my VENUS (shift) VALENTINE (0) PLUTO (1)i know it's irrelevant - i'm just sharing  IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 27, 2009 08:48 AM
Lara,how do you mean that? "although with Saturn shift to natals, unless it's AC or moon, there will also many people whom touch these points" The Shift - natal will still be pretty individiual. The Shift - shift of Saturn will repeat synastric aspects, if the people have been born close to each other. This is of course even more true for Pluto Shift chart. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 09:09 AM
Well there are loads of people with sun/venus/saturn/pluto at the same degree or within 2 degrees.So it's not SO twin flame an aspect, unless i am twin flames with everyone either born on: 26th april of any year for SUN
a 5 days period for VENUS
a 4 week period for SATURN
an 6/8 month period for PLUTO IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 27, 2009 09:38 AM
Well, Lara, the same goes for EVERY other planet, too, unless it is Moon or ASC. Those are actually the only really individual object.That is also the reason why it is never enough to have only ONE aspect.
Only your Twinflame (or a significant person) will make several exact aspects on different level (meaning, different planets) with you. But that is also true for the tropical or any kind of astrology, unless you are using houserulers. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 09:41 AM
yup, that's exactly what i'm saying!! LOLIP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 27, 2009 10:45 AM
Lara,I thought a bit more about what you said and what I think, too, and twinflame really is about as individual and unique as it can get. So it definitely would make sense to look for the most individual aspects possible, and mark them in blue and bold before listing the others. The most individual aspects would be made by the fastest moving objects. ASC: approximately 2 hours (for one sign)
chartruler: 2 hours
Moon: 2 days Venus: 3 weeks
Sun: 1 month
Mars: 2 months
so I guess ASC, chartruler and Moon are the ones to really look out for. Two exact conjunctions of let`s say tropical Moon and tropical ASC to the Venus Shift chart could easily be more telling / significant than 5 3 degree aspects of Pluto to Saturn Shift.
So, I think you most p robably will find one or two conjunctions to tropical Moon, ASC or chartruler, but not in your Saturn Shift chart.
Those Moon, ASC, ruler aspects would lead your focus on Venus (shift) instad of Saturn then.
And maybe those who will find these interlinks with Moon, ASC, ruler (I am inclined to allow Sun and Venus here, too, to a less intense degree) in the Saturn Shift chart maybe will notice a stronger emphasis on karmic issues.
Just throwing ideas and thoughts into the air.
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Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 11:04 AM
do you mean 6 days for the sun?
I think the sun can count maybe?Interesting... doesn't the vertex move insanely fast too? IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 11:25 AM
THE VERTEXHow significant is the vertex astrologically?Here lies the debate. Some well-versed astrologers will say the vertex means relatively nothing. Others will say it is a point of great significance. If it does have meaning, what is it? The vertex appears as a sensitive point linked to fateful encounters with others, seemingly sudden epiphanies, turning points in life and a destiny over which we have no control. Activated, it can synchronize with an experience of another whose effect registers as some degree of profound or extraordinary. A strongly placed natal vertex (conjunct the horizon, in close aspect to a personal planet, in a critical degree or in the degree of the nodes) can indicate more consistent results.
my SATURN (shift) SATURN/NN opp his n vertex (0)
his SATURN (shift) VALENTINE cj my n VERTEX (2)
my VENUS (shift) AC cj his n vertex (1)
my MOON (shift) MOON cj his n vertex (0)
his VENUS (shift) VERTEX cj my VENUS (shift) LARA (2)
*my VENUS (shift) VERTEX cj his VENUS (shift) AC (2)
*his VENUS (shift) VERTEX cj my VENUS (shift) AC (2)
HMMMMM
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DD
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posted November 27, 2009 11:27 AM
Well, I was actually using the time, which a planet needs to move through a whole sign; I guess you were thinking of a 3 degree orb?
We would have to re-calculate this for the others, too, then.So, the Moon would be in orb for about 4 hourse?
And the ASC, chartruler would be in orb for about 12 minutes? (using a 3 degree orb). NOW that is something I would call individual! I would count the Sun, too, though, even though it moves slower, but it is not THAT slow. But now if you look at Pluto for example, it is easy to see why the outers are called generation aspects.
Yes, Vertex is fast moving, too. Yet I haven`t been able to really prove (to myself) that Vertex - aspects are really meaningful in lasting relationships.
They seem to be VERY significant for life changing moments and encounters, but that doesn`t mean they will lead into a lasting relationship.
Vertex on DESC in composites seems to happen frequently though.
So, I would consider Vertex, but not so much in terms of compatibility or even attraction, but in terms of that "waking up moment"; this moment when you suddenly notice someone, a change in the energetic fields. But what happens after that, depends more on the other planets I think.
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DD
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posted November 27, 2009 11:32 AM
SEems we were both thinking about the same thing. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted November 27, 2009 11:34 AM
How do you work out the calculation for the Venus shift?
I understand with the SS Saturn is shifted to 270 degree and the other planets corresponding this, but what degree do you shift Venus to in VS?IP: Logged |
Astrobelle
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Registered: May 2009
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posted November 27, 2009 11:41 AM
Ahhh...that makes much more sense!Thank you SO much DD!!! Can't wait to reconfigure!! IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 11:44 AM
hehe yup!!!! haha
VERTEX ON DC?
you mean like this?
COMPOSITE - vertex cj DC (0) (Peter cj AC exact)
PR COMPOSITE - vertex cj DC (2)
DRACO COMPOSITE - vertex cj DC (1)    (i just found the smileys!!!)
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Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 11:46 AM
QUINNIEMOVE VENUS TO 0' TAURUS.    it only took me a whole year to find them LOL IP: Logged |
iQ
Moderator Posts: 4922
From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 27, 2009 11:56 AM
I wish I could upload my math speed to all you ladies like they do in the Matrix movie.. LOLIP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 11:59 AM
LOL !!!!!!! IQ haha good one
May i ask what you think of VERTEX on the DESCENDANT?
May i also take this opportunity to say thank you to YOU and also to DD for both your input and wisdom. Without you both we would not be where we are now in soul mate astrology on LL, considering where we have advanced from the old threads we used to analyse with VenusDe India
THANK YOU! IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 27, 2009 12:16 PM
Thank you, Lara, and I agree, our soulmate astrology is constantly growing.
Cool Vertex aspects. 
Well, I don`t have any personal experiences with VX on DESC. I think it was you who said that it was significant. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 27, 2009 12:31 PM
BTW IQ, what do YOU think about the significance of Saturn Shift charts for twinflame synastry?IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted November 27, 2009 12:34 PM
Ah you see I wasn't sure if it would be to Taurus or Libra... Thank you Lara and ofcourse ...IQIP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 27, 2009 12:46 PM
DDhmmm even though we have no SATURN aspects in the SS charts, we have some poignant ones in synastry: his saturn 20' libra
my nn/saturn 18' aries
my moon/venus 21' aries
my valentine 22' cancer my saturn 18' aries
his sun/moon midpoint 15' aries so maybe that is why? (because they are so close cj/opp?
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DD
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posted November 27, 2009 02:35 PM
Lara,I don`t understand what you mean with "that is why".
Do you mean that your strong Saturnian tropical synastry is the reason for a lack of Saturn Shift aspects? Anyway, those are very powerful Saturn aspect you have there! IP: Logged |
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