posted December 04, 2009 04:39 AM            

yes, I think there are some surprising aspects there.

Especially these:

my SS MOon opposite his Saturn (0)
my MS Valentine conjunct his Valentine (0)
his PS Sun conjunct my NN (0)
his VS Saturn conjunct my Moon (0)

It`s not easy to downplay these, since they are really precise and include major players. But even if I only allowed precise aspects to tropical Sun, Moon or ASC as significant, there still is his VS Saturn exactly on my tropical Moon.

I mean, yes, I dreamed of him, but it is highly unlikely that everyone I dream of, and every other actor is a soulmate of mine.

It makes me think and wondering, that these aspects surfaces. Because it leads to the question, will aspects like these pop up with nearly everyone I could make a synastry with? And if so, is this theory really indicating unique soulmates / soulgroups of ours?
Or are we missing something here? Are we too generous in allowing too many Shift charts?

could it maybe be that a filter rule would be something like this:
A precise (or at most 1 degree) conjunction / opposition to tropical Sun, Moon, ASC (maybe also NN, not sure), but only in the Moon Shift and Saturn Shift?

And only if this filterrule is fulfilled, it makes sense to look further into other Shift charts?

BTW I think your aspects with Johnny are breathtaking!
Just look at these!

his moon S sun conjunct my trop NN 0 deg
My moon S sun conjunct his trop moon 0 deg
My saturn S valentine conjunct his valentine 0 deg

Even with that very "limiting" filterrule I just mentioned, you would fit the criteria. And you even have that awesome exact Sun-Moon-connection.

posted December 04, 2009 05:58 AM            

I would use a 2 degree orb for conjunction thoughm, even in a shift chart. 2 degree orb conjunction is itself a 1/180 probability. You dont accidentally run into someone when the probability is 1/180, random accidents happen with say 1/3 or even upto 1/10 probability.

posted December 04, 2009 06:17 AM            

Anyway, if I use the 2 degree orb, then I have such an aspect with Clooney (my SS Moon opposite his Moon, actually the orb is between 1 - 2 degrees).

But if we use only 1 degree for opposition, then this opposition wouldn`t count anymore.

So, 2 degrees for conjunction and 1 degree for opposition, what do you say, IQ?

posted December 04, 2009 07:05 AM            

PAUL NEWMAN - JOANNE WOODWARD

her SS Sun conjunct his Moon (2)
her SS Valentine conjunct his Moon (0)

her MS Sun conjunct his DESC (0)

ROBERT BROWNING - ELIZABETH BARETT BROWNING

her SS Sun conjunct his Sun (1)
her SS Moon conjunct his ASC (1)
his SS Moon conjunct her DESC (2)

- this Moon-ASC DW is just

WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST - MARION DAVIES

her SS SN Conjunct his Moon (1)

his MS Saturn opposite her Sun (1)
her MS Pluto conjunct his DESC (2)

- the Saturn - Sun aspect definitely makes sense, as he was so much older than her and provided her a lot of security

So far it seems that the filter rule does work.

posted December 05, 2009 05:41 AM            

we can`t use all Shift charts as filters, cause then it would be pretty normal to have aspects with many many people, as the probability increases very much.

Besides as important Pluto is, it is a generational planet; the moon makes sense to me as it is the fastest planet there is, and Saturn is its complimentary planet.

On top of that the Moon gives insight not just about our emotional issues, but truely leads us into the core of our soul (it is associated with IC, which is the deepest part of our personality, the womb so to speak).
On top of that Moon also is tied to (emotional) memories, including past life memories (I would always pay major attention to asteroids conjunct natal Moon for that reason; it might give a clue about past lives on its own; also the nodal axis has lunar symbolism,t oo).
It also is associated with family, so probably particularly with soul-families.

To me the Moon-Saturn-axis is more than a parental axis, it is a "materialization" axis, as Saturn is known as the border of our "everyday" personal reality (the transpersonal planets have their names for a reason). It is associated with our skin and body in this way, that it gives our perception as "I" a frame, which differentiates it from others. Like the skin that is wrapped around our bodies and keeping not only our body but also our mind and soul together.
Of course Saturn is also the big karma planet, and also has associations with the past therefore, just as Moon has.
I feel that through Saturn our emotional core (Moon) gets anchored in the physical sphere; it materializes here on earth (Saturn).

That is my explanation behind this choice.

Plus I trust in IQ, who said that the vital informations are in these charts, and after looking at several charts I find they are. It is always a difficult thing to research as we tend to fall into wishful thinking so easily, human and Neptunian as we are.

Also, someone can trigger a transformation and be gone after he fulfilled this purpose in our life; so Pluto doesn´t necessarily show this deep inner-personal bond between people (even though I suspect it very often does; Pluto doesn`t really like to let go of anyone or anything).
The Moon is where we bond on an ultrapersonal level. I mean they are not called "SOUL-mates" for no reason. And the soul, even though very very multilayered, is usually associated with Moon symbolism, as the Sun is often associated with the mind (not in a purely intellectual sense though), and the ASC with the body, with the start of this physical incarnation.

EDIT:
I am convinced though that soulmates who pass the filter rule for Moon and Saturn chart also will have very significant connections in the Pluto shift chart.

posted December 05, 2009 09:59 AM            

what do you think?

posted December 05, 2009 10:34 AM            

I found Vertex to be one of the most fast moving items, even quicker than the moon!!

posted December 05, 2009 02:26 PM            

Lara,

posted December 06, 2009 03:32 PM            

Paul - Andy
none

Paul - Jude:
Jude`s SATURN Pluto conjunct Pauls Sun (2.0)
Paul`s SATURN SN conjunct Jude`s Sun (1.1)

Andy - Jude:
none

Sadie - Sienna:
none

Jude - Sadie:
none

Jude - Sienna:
her SATURN Pluto conjunct his Sun (2.1)

Paul - Sadie:
none

Andy - Sadie:
his SATUNR Pluto conjunct her Sun (0.5)
(their SAT Pluto`s are exactly conjunct)

Paul - Sienna:
her SATURN Valentine conjunct his Moon (0.4)
his SATURN SN Conjunct her Sun (0.3)
now this one really suprised me. lol

Andy - Sienna:
none

Sadie - me:
her SATURN Pluto opposite my Sun (1.0)

Sienna - me:
none

Paul - me:
my SATURN ASC conjunct his Moon (0.5)

Andy - me:
his SATURN Pluto opposite my Sun (1.1)

posted December 06, 2009 11:56 PM            

I decided to look at the DSC and Juno persona charts.

I was wondering if you have found links between others who are married in the DSC and Juno charts?

posted December 07, 2009 12:47 AM            

The persona charts are pretty amazing i find... look at the other thread because it's full of awesome aspects

Your aspect sounds fated - but i'm not good at knowing how strong an influence the persona is.

posted December 07, 2009 03:43 AM            

Yes, I see 6 types of relationships from the soulmate angle for a particular incarnation.
The theory is ultra-complex to explain to newbies in metaphysics but easier to grasp for those who understand reincarnation, multi-dimensional soul facets, Higher Self and overcoming Karmic debts through love, forgiveness and release.

Did you know that "true love relationship soulmates" in the present could have hated or tortured each other 2 lifelines ago? The would have been "karmic soulmates" suffering each other one lifeline ago. In the present they would have been blessed with enough beneficial placements as karmic reward to actualize true love. When one Soul slackens, a higher facet of the Soul is "downloaded" into the body (The lower facet is transferred to the Oversoul Matrix to be born in another reincarnation) and this causes a personality transformation. (The Astrologer will identify a Progressed to Natal Transit or a powerful series of transits where this event may have occurred) and love blossoms.
Only those with true love relationship soulmate aspects can be twin flames.

Some souls are meant to only learn lessons from each other for a shirt while. Some souls are meant just for mutual fun [repayment of karmic debt].
Some lifelines are such that the souls have karmic love but are one or two incarnations away from being ready to accept one another unconditionally as twin flames. It is not possible for a Twin Flame male or female to intentionally commit physical or emotional adultery. That is the level of love and devotion required to deserve the twin flame in an incarnation.

I intend to write the astrology of this in further detail and post when ready else it will create more confusion. Pls stay tuned!

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Soul Mate Love Calculator

posted December 07, 2009 05:44 AM            

BTW what do you consider to be true love aspects?

Valentine / Amor / Juno / Psyche

conjunct, trine, sextile, (opposite)

Sun / Moon / ASC / NN/ Venus / Pluto / Valentine / Amor / Juno / Psyche?

posted December 07, 2009 10:39 AM            

speaking of Persona charts, I think that a comparision between ASC persona of one person and DESC persona of the other person (and of course DESC persona to the other`s natal) could be pretty insightful.
But it`s just a theory, I haven`t researched it yet.

posted December 07, 2009 12:16 PM            

my AC/his DC
moon opp moon (3)
moon cj chiron (3)
briede cj moon (2)
bride opp chiron (2)
lust cj juno (0)