posted November 23, 2009 09:56 PM            

My natal Saturn is at 15 degrees Gemini, so to get to zero degrees Cap I'll go opposite, and add 15.

posted November 23, 2009 11:13 PM            

Awesome original theory! Feel free to use us as a test case.

posted November 24, 2009 02:00 AM            

AG has calculated his shift correctly.

Venus Shift Charts are quite potent too in synastry in the first few checks.

Here are more examples of shifting:
If you have Venus in 25 Gemini, the distance to 0 Taurus is 25 + 30 = 55 degrees backwards. Same must be done to all planets.

If you have Venus in 12 Capricorn, the distance to O Taurus is 18 + 90 = 108 degrees forward.

If you have Venus in 25 Aqua, it is 5 + 60 or 65 foward shift to 0 Taurus.

I suggest we just look into the basics and max 2 degree orbs.
This keeps things realistic and effective.

Lara, you are onto something about using each shift appropriately.

DD, I am devouring your information, the thing is I am specifically looking for Sun or Moon conjunctions and oppositions in any shift chart. Not looking at squares even.

And yes, Diandra is correct that we should consider this a Karmic Soul Mate confirmer only rather than Twin Flame checker because I forget, Twin Flames will also have Numerological Connections in addition to astrological.

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posted November 24, 2009 02:13 AM            

Both of our VS Juno's form exact conjunctions with the other's natal.

My VS chart doesn't interact with his chart as thoroughly as his does with mine, but it does form exact conjunctions with his n Sun, SN, and Juno.

Our Pluto Shift charts are .

posted November 24, 2009 02:27 AM            

why Sun and Moon specificallyl? And why all of a sudden? You never seemed to pay so much attention to them before.

I personally think the ASC-connections may be the most interesting, a the ASC moves even more quickly than Moon.

On another note, this has practically nothing to do with that thread, but I dreamed of Jude last night.
It came as a surprise, cause after having been to London, I haven`t dreamed of him a single time!
I haven`t even been able to recall my dreams at all. This is the first I really recall for the last 3 months.

In that dream I was discussing Twinflames with someone, and he suddenly appeared out of the crowd, but a bit in the distance. Actually I had just been telling this girl / woman, that it is not enough to just meet your twinflame, but that you have to really be ready to accept this "knowledge" and not block it for some reason.
And that was when he appeared.

Well, a bit later there were also Sean Penn and Robert Downey Jr shortly walking through my dream. lol

EDIT:
or did I misunderstand and you were meaning conjunctions / oppositions of any planets to Suno r Moon?

posted November 24, 2009 03:42 AM            

Jude fits in very well with the 13 Emanations of Consciousness per Soul Personality discovered from some past life regressions. He cannot simply flit in an out of your dreams AND have a superb synastry unless there is a Soul or Soul Group connection.

Hi Jane,
You got it right!
Inside my head right now, I am actually seeing a Matrix of Charts per Soul.
Natal, Secondary [The Basic Arabic Parts Chart], Sidereal, Draconic, Moon Shift, Mercury Shift [to 0 Gemini], Venus Shift [To 0 Taurus], Mars Shift [To 0 Scorpio], Jupiter [To 0 Sag, this was insane for me], Saturn Shift, Uranus Shift[0 Aqua], Neptune Shift [To 0 Pisces ] and Pluto Shift [0 Aries]. The maximum conjunction interlocking of Sun, Moon and Ascendant with another Soul's 13 Series will indicate the Twin Flame or even Twin Soul. It is like solving an astrological jigsaw puzzle for excellent synastry. I am yet to verify Uranus and Neptune Shifts. When we delve further, we may even discover that some of these shift charts are not necessary all the time. Like an Aquarius Sun may get value from a Uranus Shift. If his Twin is a Libra doll, then her Venus Shift Chart may correlate insanely with his Uranus Shift Chart. And so on.

I have to rigorously research this with my database of soulmates and known Twin Flames.

The spillover benefits are in transit planning. Sun transit Mercury Shift Sun could be great day for investing or trade, for instance. Sun transit Composite Venus Shift Sun could be the ultimate marriage date and so on.

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posted November 24, 2009 04:20 AM            

"Jude fits in very well with the 13 Emanations of Consciousness per Soul Personality discovered from some past life regressions. He cannot simply flit in an out of your dreams AND have a superb synastry unless there is a Soul or Soul Group connection."
We even have the same lifepath number. 33.

BTW he was the one I had the mindboggling Briede/Groom-synastry with as I had posted on your question thread.

Speaking of aspects, so we are looking for these aspects first?

Sun conjunct or opposite Moon
Sun conjunct or opposite ASC
Moon conjunct or opposite ASC?

posted November 24, 2009 05:22 AM            

In some cases, I am seeing instant and precise conjunction in the tropical composite Moon.
Moon and Pluto are scoring higher than the Sun and Asc, which are not doing too badly either.

Venus Shift Charts are doing quite well too.
In one twin flame couple, VS Moon exactly conjuncts Tropical Ascendant. The guy's VS Ascendant exactly conjuncts her True Node.
It is very difficult to get such precision conjunctions in such a small set of objects.

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posted November 24, 2009 05:48 AM            

is that also valid for Saturn shifted Sun, Moon, ASC to tropical True Node, ASC, Pluto?

posted November 24, 2009 06:35 AM            

I found no correlation in 3 "non" twin flames. That is a plus as well for this theory.

Transit Events are crucial for Saturn Shift Charts, like how you discovered.

Previously I noted sure shot events on Sun conj Draconic Mars days.
Now I see that the company I work for was established exactly when Sun conjunct my Saturn Shift Jupiter.

I completely wound up all commercial activity in mainland USA exactly when Transit Mercury conjunct Saturn Shift Mars.

First ever planned leisure trip when Mars exactly conjunct Saturn Shift Sun.

And interestingly, first ever visit to the birthplace of my wife took place when Transit Venus conjunct my Venus Shift Sun.
This one is very very interesting. It means the shift charts unconsiously unfold karmic events on every tropical transit, consequences of which are known decades later.

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posted November 24, 2009 06:39 AM            

Only conj

HIS SS DNA CONJ MY SS ASC/SUN/N moon 0
MY SS MC CONJ HIS N LUST/EROS 0-1
MY SS ASC/SUN/N moon CONJ HIS SS SIVA 3
MY SS DESC CONJ HIS SS KAALI 3
MY SS DESC cONJ HIS SS CERES 0-1
HIS SS NN CONJ MY NATAL IC 3

His SS juno/saturn conj my N SN 0-1

His SS persepone conj my N prosperina 0-1
HiS SS prosperina/merk conj my N eros 0-1

My SS prosperina conj his N juno/saturn 0-1

His SS adonis/jupiter conj my SS persepon/ merk/uran/kaali 0-2

His SS valentin conj my N persepone 0-1
His SS KARMA conj his own N N.N conj my N BODA
MY SS SN CONJ HIS SS BODA/BRIEDE CONJ HIS MARS CONJ MY NATAL VALENTINE/SIVA/IXION CONJ
2-4
My SS valentin/siva/ixion conj his SS prosperina/merk 0-1 this in conj my N eros

My SS karma conj my own N kaali/merk/uran/persep conj his SS valentine 0-4

My SS moon conj his N chiron
His SS uranus conj my N jupiter 0-1
His SS sun conj my N briede 0-1
His SS mars conj my N Parvati 0-1
His SS pluto coj my N DNA 2
His SS groom conj my N antiwertex 1
His SS zeus conj my N hera 0-1
His SS hera conj my SS amor/wertex 0-1

My SS amor/wertex conj his SS hera/N DNA/ 0-1

Because all persephone/prosperina aspect I also take one more check on pluto...

MY SS pluto 9 degree in cancer
His SS pluto 11 degree in taursu
My N pluto 12,49 virgo
His N pluto 29, virgo

His SS pluto trine my N pluto 1-2
His SS pluto sextile my SS pluto 1-2

The midpoints Pluto

1 His NN pluto/SS pluto = 21 degree cancer=
His SS persephone 19'
My N prosperina 21'

2 His N pluto/ My SS pluto= 19-20 degree leo=
My N eros 21'leo
His SS merkur 20'leo
His SS prosperina 22'leo
My SS prosperina 18' (h57)leo
My SS valentine 23', Siva 24', Ixion 24'leo

3 His N pluto/ My N pluto=20 degree virgo=
His SS horus 20'virgo
My N afrodite 20'virgo

4 My SS pluto/ His SS pluto = 10 degree gemini=
His SS prosperina (h57) 10'gemini

What do you say about all of this IQ. All the connection prosperina/persephone/pluto. He must be my twinflame or what do you think?... Anyhow strong karma. The hole Roman mythology are so strong here. The pluto aspect and the connection to above all persephone/prosperina..Maybe we lived togheter in that time...

Ceres/persephone/prosperina/pluto and also juno/saturn/adonis/afrodite are all in strong to pluto..

It was really intresting to check out this.. I hope you will take a look on it.

posted November 24, 2009 07:05 AM            

yes, I think it is very reasonable to stick to Sun, Moon and ASC, if we are using them as a filter.

I have found some correlations with Jude, but the one that really took me by surprise was my Saturn shifted Sun exactly on his tropical DESC on 9 Gemini (which is conjunct my DESC and SN as well).

The Sabian is pretty alarming though:
An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive

Regarding events that unfold their meaning just later, I have almost 20 years of experiences with that, in that weird connection to Andy and Paul. Things, even feelings I felt, that just didn`t seem to make sense (based on my conscious knowledge), started falling into place months and even years later.
It feels like one gigantic jigsaw puzzle.

posted November 24, 2009 07:12 AM            

quote:

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I am looking for Saturn Shifted True Node, Asc, Pluto, Sun or Moon of one partner conjunct/oppose Tropical Sun, Moon or Asc.

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IQ,

Why can't it work with the other charts other than saturn? Why would Twin Flames necessarily have karma?

my VENUS sun 15' taurus

his n ascendant 17' scorpio

posted November 24, 2009 07:21 AM            

I think IQ needed somewhere to begin, and he has often emphasised the importance of Saturn according to his observations.

But if I understood it right, he also said that the Venus shifted chart is significant.
I would definitely look at that one, too.

my personal take on it is that maybe it depends if twinflames decide to meet rather often in different incarnations (in this case they could maybe have some karma now), or if twinflames decide to wait with a shared incarnation until their union.

But that was just something that shot through my mind. I could be far off the right track here.

IQ,

"Inside my head right now, I am actually seeing a Matrix of Charts per Soul.
Natal, Secondary [The Basic Arabic Parts Chart], Sidereal, Draconic, Moon Shift, Mercury Shift [to 0 Gemini], Venus Shift [To 0 Taurus], Mars Shift [To 0 Scorpio], Jupiter [To 0 Sag, this was insane for me], Saturn Shift, Uranus Shift[0 Aqua], Neptune Shift [To 0 Pisces ] and Pluto Shift [0 Aries]. The maximum conjunction interlocking of Sun, Moon and Ascendant with another Soul's 13 Series will indicate the Twin Flame or even Twin Soul."

posted November 24, 2009 07:41 AM            

But no matter why, I think this Taurus-Scorpio axis vibrates with the Venus-Pluto-feeling.
Maybe it is also significant in what signs the strong aspects fall?

Like in my example, Gemini might be a bit more intellectually based than if it were in passionate Scorpio?

posted November 24, 2009 07:43 AM            

Yes, and i am taurus sun and he is scorpio AC.

posted November 24, 2009 07:48 AM            

After having read that article i was thinking that maybe my parents are Twinflames.
I don´t know about their numbers, though.
But what it said about twinflames, really fits them.

posted November 24, 2009 07:50 AM            

quote:

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Like in my example, Gemini might be a bit more intellectually based than if it were in passionate Scorpio?

Oh I just realized, that my Secondary (arabic chart) ASC, Mars and NN fall around 15 - 20 Scorpio, too. lol

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LOL!!! haha thats funny. We do have a theme in our charts DD, there's no denying it!

posted November 24, 2009 09:11 AM              

SS Saturn John - my Natal

Sun cj my Felicitas 0
Moon opose Pluto
Mars opse karma
Pluto cj IC
Felicitas opose Boda
Child opose Briede
JUNO cj my DSC 1º
karma cj BODA 1º
aMOR OPOSE MOON 0
Union cj Juno and opose Saturn
BODA cj Union/Destinn 0
Groom cj Venus

MY SS Saturn - John´s Natal

Sun opose his KARMA
Moon cj his Groom
ASC cj J´s Mars
IC cj J´s Anna
Sun cj J´s Felicitas and his Draco Moon
Venus cj J´s Pluto
Mars cj his Merc AND pSYCHE
Neptune cj his DSC
Pluto cj his Juno
North Node cj his KAALI
VX cj h Valentine 0´0 nd cj his Draco Venus
Juno cj his Briede and cj his DRACO IC 1º
juno opose his ISIS/OSIRIS
Valentine cj his Merc/pSYCHE
Valentine cj wide his IC 4º
Groom cj his Draconic Venus
KARMA cj his IC
POM/OSIRIS cj his North Node 3º
Union cj his Venus and his Draco Isis
House cj his Draco Sun 0º
Felicitas cj his Draco Boda
POM/OSiris cj his Draco Sun
Boda cj his Draco Groom 1º nd cj his AMOR!
hOUSE cj his Juno
Briede opose his Boda 1º

SS to Composite

Child cj ASC 1º
Boda cj Venus
Venus cj Saturn and Pluto
Briede cj Jup and IC/Felicitas
Groom cj Boda 1º and Moon wide
POM/OSIRIS cj Valentine 0º
IC cj Osiris

My SS Saturn - MY NATAL

posted November 24, 2009 09:48 AM            

Many Soulmates in my database are having more classical planet links in the Venus Shift Chart.

Diandra,
Venus-Pluto has come twice in your Saturn Shift Charts.
Once from your SS Chart to John's Natal, and in the Composite.
Interestingly, your SS Chart to your own Natal has the same correlation.

So Saturn Shift Charts may show the most important karmic unfoldments in the present life, just as Draconic Charts show the past life impulses and cumulative past life status. Tropical shows the exact psychological impulses. Venus Shift Chart may be showing the exact way we behave in love? Mars shift our drive/ambition/adrenalin? Jupiter Shift may be showing the behaviour that fetches our maximum growth potential? See all these charts will have the same shape as the Natal, that is the beauty of shifted charts. The aspects between planets wont change, only the signs.

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posted November 24, 2009 10:04 AM            

So no AC - sun, moon, pluto cj/opp means no twin flame?