posted December 08, 2009 04:22 AM            

I checked our Saturn Shifted charts, and most of the conj were mainly between our SS planets/pts and either the Draconic composite or each other's natal Draconic, hardly any to the other's Natal tropical. But checking the Venus links I was really surprised, and am only on page 1 of the thread, haha, but wanted to share:

My SV to His Natal -
My SV Sun conj His N Asc
My SV Saturn conj His N Moon
My SV Pluto conj His N Sun/MC
My SV IC conj His N Sun/MC
My SV MC conj His N IC
My SV Chiron opp His N Mars

His SV to My Natal -
His SV Sun conj My N MC
His SV Sun opp My N Saturn/Pluto
His SV Moon opp My N Mars/Saturn
His SV Mars conj My N Chiron
His SV MC conj My N MC
His SV MC opp My N Pluto

My SV to His SV -
My SV Sun conj His SV Saturn
My SV Moon/Venus conj His SV Venus
My SV North Node conj His SV IC
My SV South Node conj His SV Sun/MC
My SV Chiron conj His SV North Node

These seem like a lot of conjunctions, and there are harsh oppositions.

iQ, Don't know if you recall but this is the man I have the intense telepathy with and that I could visually see when we met our heart chakras perfectly aligning, the cords etc (the only person I've seen this with actually).

posted December 08, 2009 05:46 AM            

SS to Draconic is quite cool in itself.

I feel your Moon Shift Saturn, Pluto, Proserpine or Valentine will conjunct his Saturn Shift Pluto,Proserpine, Valentine or Moon.

You will also see more potent conjunctions in your Pluto Shift and Proserpine Shift charts.

I know these hand calculations are irritating but they are worth the effort.

posted June 04, 2010 07:52 AM            

SATURN SHIFT
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my SS PLUTO conjunct his ASC (0)
his SS DESC conjunct my SUN (1)
his SS TRUE NODE conjunct my MARS (0)
his SS TRUE NODE conjunct my ASC (2)

plus

my SS JUNO conjunct his TRUE NODE (1)
my SS DESC conjunct his VALENTINE (1)
his SS MOON opposite my SS CHIRON (1)
his SS VALENTINE conjunct my PSYCHE (1)
my SS VALENTINE conjunct his CHIRON (1)

MOON SHIFT
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my MS DESC conjunct his PLUTO (1)[7b]
his SS PLUTO ocnjunct my SS TRUE NODE (0)
his MS PLUTO conjunct my MS ASC (2)[/b]

his MS SN conjunct my SS CHIRON (0)
my MS CHIRON conjunct his TRUE NODE (2)
my MS SUN conjunct his CHIRON (0)
his MS VENUS conjunct my MS JUNO (1)
his MS VALENTINE conjunct my MS VENUS (2)

PLUTO SHIFT
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his PS SUN conjunct my DESC (2)
his PS MOON conjunct my DESC (0)
his PS IC conjunct my ASC (0)
my PS IC conjunct his DESC (3)
my PS Venus opposite his SUN (1)
my PS VENUS opposite his MOON (1)

his PS SN conjunct my PS MOON (2)
his PS Juno conjunct my PS SATURN (2)
his PS EROS conjunct my PS PSYCHE (2)

SECONDARY chart
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his sec TRUE NODE conjunct my VALENTINE (1)
my sec TRUE NODE conjunct his VALENTINE (2)
his sec VALENTINE conjunct my MOON (0)
my sec ASC conjunct his VALENTINE (1)

his sec PLUTO opposite my SATURN (1)
my sec SATURN opposite his MOON (0)
my SEC MOON conjunct his Venus (2)

Any thoughts on these?
IQ?
Lara?
Diandra?

EDIT:
AS far as I can see it we have some very intriguing DW`s.

none in the Saturn Shift chart

in Moon Shift:
my MS DESC conjunct his Pluto
his MS ASC conjunct my MS Pluto

in Pluto Shift:
his PS IC conjunct my ASC
my PS IC conjunct his DESC

in Secondary Shift:
his sec True Node conjunct my Valentine
my sec True Node conjunct his Valentine

BTW have you seen how many aspects are there with Valentine?

his tropical Valentine conjunct my SS DESC (1)
his SS Valentine conjunct my tropical Psyche (1)
my SS Valentine conjunct his tropical Chiron (1)

his MS Valentine conjunct my MS Venus (2)

his sec Valentine conjunct my True Node(2)
his sec Valentine conjunct my Moon (0)
his Valentine conjuncts my sec ASC (1)
my sec Valentine conjunct his True Node (1)

What does it mean, that there is the majority of aspects to HIS Valentine?

We do have some Valentine aspects in the tropical, too, but not so much conjunction.
In tropical:

my Valentine trine his Juno exact
my Valentine sextile his Vertex exact
my Valentine sextile his Saturn exact
my Valentine widely trine his ASC (4 - too wide to count probably)
my Valentine sextile his Venus (1)

his Valentine trine my Juno (2)
his Valentine trine my Vertex (2)
his Valentine trine my Saturn (2)
his Valentine trine my Eros (2)

and the Valentine aspects in Draco look like these:

my tropical Valentine trine his Dr Sun (2)
my Valentine trine his Dr Moon exact
my Valentine trine his Dr Midheaven exact
my Dr Valentine trine his Dr Neptune (2)
my Dr Valentine trine his Valentine (2)

his Valentine trine my Dr Amor (2)
his Valentine trine my Dr Valentine (2)
his Dr Valentine trine my Moon (1)
his Dr Valentine conjunct my Karma (2)

And in HELIO:

my Valentine trine his helio Amor exact
my helio Valentine conjunct his Valentine exact - oh WOW
his helio Valentine conjunct my helio Amor (2)

Somehow in Helio there seem always to be less connections, but their quality seems to be more WHOA-like.

Anyway, I really have never had so many Valentine aspects through the charts with a man before.

BTW our Valentines in tropical and Helio are in the same sign, Scorpio.

And we actually have a Grand trine in water of:

his Valentine on 19 Scorpio (where my helio Valentine is)
trine
my Juno / Draco Valentine on 17 Pisces
trine
my Saturn / his Draco Neptune on 17 Cancer.

And if we are a bit generous

posted July 31, 2010 05:38 AM            

Very significant days (except for the 11th to 13th november) in my life and how they matched the Saturn Shifted chart were:

12th january 1990:
no conjunctions to tr Sun
but Tr Moon conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

30th september 1994
no conjunctions to tr Sun,
but Tr Moon conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

30th march 2000
no aspects to Tr Sun
Tr NN on 1 Leo conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo
Tr Moon on 1 Aquarius opposite SS Moon on 00 Leo

17th march 2002 ( a date that doesn`t relate to 3 - how unusual. lol)
Tr Saturn smack on my SS Sun (which also is conjunct tropical SN and DESC)

3rd december 2003
Tr Sun opposes SS Sun by 1 degree
Tr NN conjunct SS ASC exact

22nd january 2005
Tr Sun on 2 Aquarius widely opposes SS Moon on 0 Leo

3rd june 2006
Tr Mars on 29.3 Cancer conjunct SS Moon on 0 Leo

21th october 2007
nothing,
yet it was maybe the most impactful day in my whole life

22nd may 2008
nothing

27th july 2009
Tr Sun on 4 Leo, near to my SS Moon on 0 Leo, but too wide to be in conjunction

oops I just see, Tr NN was on 00 Aquarius, so Tr SN was EXACT on my SS Moon!

Tr Mars conjunct SS Sun

27th july 2010
Tr Sun on 3 Leo widely conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

posted July 31, 2010 07:04 AM            

This and last year Tr Sun was too far to really be conjunct my SS Moon on 00 Leo, yet it seemed significant. And then I remembered that in my Pluto Shifted chart Moon is on 8 Leo, that means the Tr Sun on 4 Leo was on the EXACT midpoint of my SS Moon and my PS Moon.

So I thought I would be checking the Saturn, Moon and Pluto Shift charts.

12th january 1990

SATURN Shift Chart
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Tr Moon on 1 Leo conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

Tr Pluto on 17 Scorpio opposes SS Mars on 18 Taurus

(BTW on that day there was an exact Sun-Karma-conjunction on 21 Capricorn! The exact degree of my Sun-Moon-midpoint and Antivertex and opposing Eros exactly)

MOON Shift chart
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Tr Pluto on 17 Scorpio opposing MS Venus on 19 Taurus
(Usually I would think 2 degrees are too wide an orb, but since my MS Venus is conjunct my SS Mars by one degree I thought this might be relevenatn: Oh add to that my PS Valentine on 18 Taurus, too. So
I have
SS Mars on 18 Taurus
MS Venus on 19 Taurus
PS Valentine on 18 Taurus

with Paul`s tropical Moon being on 19 Taurus - doesn`t that give you some astrological chills? It surely gives me some.)

PLUTO SHIFT CHART
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Tr Mars on 17 Sag opposing PS Sun on 17 Gemini (on my tropical Karma!)

Tr Neptune on 12 Cap conjunct PS Saturn on 12 Cap

Tr Pluto on 17 Scorpio opposing PS Valentine on 18 Taurus (btw my tropical Moon is on 17 Aquarius, and tr NN was at 16 Aquarius at that time)

30th september 1994

SATURN Shift Chart
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Tr Moon on 00 Leo conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

MOON shift chart
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none

PLUTO shift chart
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Tr Pluto on 26 Scorpio (conjunct my tropical Valentine on 27 Scorpio) conjunct PS DESC on 28 Scorpio

Tr Pluto on 26 Scorpio opposes PS Mars on 26 Taurus

Tr Moon on 8 Leo conjunct PS Moon on 8 Leo during the day, too

30th march 2000

SATURN Shifted chart
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Tr NN on 1 Leo conjunct SS Moon on 00 Leo

Tr Venus on 21 Pisces conjunct SS Pluto on 22 Pisces

MOON shifted chart
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Tr Sun conjunct MS Valentine on 10 Aries exact

Tr Jupiter conjunct MS Sun on 9 Taurus exact

PLUTO shift chart
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Tr Moon conjunct PS Moon on 8 Leo

17th march 2002 ( a date that doesn`t relate to 3 - how unusual. lol)

SATURN Shifted chart
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Tr Moon on 8 Taurus conjunct SS Valentine on 10 Taurus

Tr Mars on 11 Taurus conjunct SS Valentine on 10 Taurus

Tr Saturn conjunct SS Sun exact on 9 Gemini

(Tr Pluto on 17 Sag widely opposes SS Venus on 19 Gemini)

(Tr NN on 21 Gemini conjunct SS Venus on 19 Gemini also widely)

MOON shifted chart
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Tr Moon on 8 Taurus conjunct MS Sun on 9 Taurus (during that encounter the aspect became exact)

(Tr Venus on 12 Aries conjunct MS Valentine on 10 Aries

Tr Mars on 11 Taurus conjunct MS Sun on 9 Taurus)

PLUTO shifted chart
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(Tr Saturn on 9 Gemini opposite PS Karma on 7 Sagittarius)

Tr Pluto on 17 Sag opposite PS Sun on 17 Gemini (on my tropical Karma on 16 Gem)

3rd december 2003

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Mars conjunct SS Pluto on 22 Pisces exact

Tr Pluto on 19 Sag opposite SS Venus on 19 Gemini exact

TR NN conjunct SS Desc on 20 Taurus exact

MOON shifted chart
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Tr NN on 20 Taurus conjunct MS Venus on 19 Taurus

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr Venus conjunct PS Saturn on 8 Capricorn exact

Tr Saturn conjunct PS Eros on 12 Capricorn exact

(Tr NN on 20 Taurus conjunct PS Valentine on 18 Tauruas)

Tr Karma on 28 Gemini conjunct PS Venus on 27 Gemini

22nd january 2005

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Mars on 19 Sagittarius opposite SS Venus on 19 Gemini exact

Tr Sun on 2 Aqua widely opposite SS Moon on 00 Leo

MOON shifted chart
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TR Jupiter conjunct MS Mars on 18 Aries exact

Tr Karma conjunct MS SN on 23 Aries (sure shot past life significance, don`t you think?)

PLUTO shifted chart
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none

3rd june 2006

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Mars conjunct SS Moon on 0 Leo exact

Tr Jupiter on 10 Scorpio opposite SS Valentine on 10 Taurus exact

MOON shifted chart
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none

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr Saturn on 7 Leo conjunct PS Moon on 8 Leo

(Tr Pluto on 25 Sag opposite PS Venus on 27 Gemini)

21th october 2007

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Karma conjunct SS Sun on 9 Gemini exact

MOON shifted chart
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Tr Sun on 28 Libra conjunct MS Karma on 29 Libra

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr Mars on 8 Cancer opposite PS saturn on 8 Cap exact

Tr Jupiter on 17 SAg opposite PS Sun on 17 Gemini exact

Tr Pluto on 26.4 Sag opposite PS Venus on 27 Gemini

22nd may 2008

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Uranus conjunct SS Pluto on 22 Pisces exact

MOON shifted chart
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Tr NN conjunct MS Pluto on 22 Aquarius

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr Sun on 2 Gemini conjunct PS NN on 1 Gemini

Tr Venus on 27 Taurus conjunct PS ASC on 28 Taurus
Tr Venus on 27 Taurus conjunct PS Mars on 26 Taurus (that explains it. )

Tr Mars on 7 Leo conjunct PS Moon on 8 Leo

Tr Karma was on the midpoint of my PS Saturn-Eros-conjunction, 2 degrees off each - a good day to resolve some of this challenging connection?

27th july 2009

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Mars on 10 Gemini conjunct SS Sun on 9 Gemini

Tr SN conjunct SS Moon on 0 Leo

MOON shifted chart
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Tr Moon conjunct MS DESC on 20 Libra (exact on my DNA. lol)

Tr Karma on 10 Libra opposes MS Valentine on 10 Aries exact

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr Venus on 25 Gemini conjunct PS Venus on 27 Gemini

27th july 2010

SATURN shifted chart
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Tr Pluto on 3 Cap conjunct SS Eros on 4 Cap
Tr Venus on 20 Gemini opposite SS Pluto on 22 Pisces

MOON shifted chart
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none

PLUTO shifted chart
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Tr NN conjunct PS Eros on 12 Capricorn exact

posted August 02, 2010 10:26 AM            

Saturn Shift:

my SS Sun conjunct his n Sun (1)
his SS Moon conjunct my n ASC (0)
my SS Moon conjunct his n Saturn (0)
his SS Sun conjunct my n Jupiter and n Uranus (4 and 3)
his SS Sun oppose my n Chiron (0)
my SS Chiron conjunct his n Chiron (2)
my SS Jupiter and Uranus conjunct his n Moon (3 and 2)
his SS Chiron conjunct my n ASC (2)

Venus Shift:

posted March 21, 2012 02:49 PM            

By putting the Sun where my Saturn is?
I'm thinking this is not what iQ is referring to?

Ceri?

Okay yeah I need help finding this out.

posted March 21, 2012 03:54 PM            

One of my favourite threads here.

Okay, Saturnian Shift chart is, as you can see, IQ`s idea, and it is based on the thought that Saturn relates to 00 Capricorn through rulerships. So you make the same as a Draconic chart, just that you take SAturn and 00 Capricorn.

Just calculate how far off your natal SAturn is of 270° / 00 Capricorn;
then you have to apply the number to any planet in your chart.

Example:
My Saturn is 17° Cancer or 107°, so it needs to move 163° further to end up on 270°; thus I add these 163° to any of my planets.

my natal Moon is on 317°/ 17° Aquarius, adding 163 to it, I end up with 120° or 00° Leo, so my Saturn shifted Moon is on 00 Leo.

posted March 21, 2012 04:54 PM            

my SS Venus conjunct his Venus exact
my SS ERos conjunct his Moon

his SS Venus conjunct my Mars exact
his SS Venus conjunct my ASC
his SS Eros conjunct my Psyche
his SS Psyche conjunct my Pluto

my SS Venus conjunct his SS Moon (it also occurs in the normal synastry)
my SS Mars conjunct his SS NN exact
my SS ASC conjunct his SS NN

posted March 22, 2012 10:22 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interesting. Maybe you are especially close to your karmic lessons.

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Oh ya. Was born on the 29th. My life has been full of damn hard lessons. But at this point, I truly feel I'm about done with them.

posted March 22, 2012 02:29 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by s4nd:
Asc Sag 17'52
Sun Can 4'14
Moon Vir 19'41
Mercury Gem 14'48
Venus Can 23'34
Mars Cap 10'58
Jupiter Pis 0'21
Uranus Aqu 0'39
Neptune Aqu 18'19
Pluto Sag 17'13
North Node Can 23'54

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Nope doesn`t seem like we have karmic business to settle.
The only aspects there are are a little wide in orb.

Your SS Sun opposing my Venus being the closest; your SS mars widely conjunct my Venus, but over 4 degree, and I do not count those for the Karmic chart.

Oh I just see your SS Neptune conjuncts my Moon by one degree, now that is interesting.

my SS Saturn chart contains these:

Sun: 9 Gemini
Moon: 00 Leo
Venus: 19 Gemini
Mars: 18 Taurus
ASC: 20 Taurus
NN 23 Taurus
Jupiter 24 Leo
Uranus: 14 Aries
Neptune 23 Taurus
Pluto 22 Pisces

posted March 22, 2012 02:52 PM            

Anyway I just noticed that your NN is conjunct my DESC on 7 Gem, my NN on 10 Gem and Draconic Moon on 6 Gem.

The Moon-Moon one seems interesting. You probably could teach me a little about that dormant narcistic side I apparently have, or wildly creative, strongwilled, and the fixed warmth of Leo.

This is interesting cause my Moon is in Leo Duad as well (though on 25 Leo); it seems to me that I should ponder a bit about this Leonine undercurrent in my personality.

I think the persona charts are like directing a magnifying glass onto one planet; for example you could see the purpose of your Saturn in checking the nodal axis of your Saturn-chart. I guess at least.

The Shifted charts are like the Draconic chart, just in relation to Saturn, instead of the nodal axis.
I guess the shifted placements of the natal position show the karmic implications or lessons of that planet.

posted March 22, 2012 08:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
NOt totally sure about the detailed differences. Probably IQ knows better.

Anyway I just noticed that your NN is conjunct my DESC on 7 Gem, my NN on 10 Gem and Draconic Moon on 6 Gem.

The Moon-Moon one seems interesting. You probably could teach me a little about that dormant narcistic side I apparently have, or wildly creative, strongwilled, and the fixed warmth of Leo.

This is interesting cause my Moon is in Leo Duad as well (though on 25 Leo); it seems to me that I should ponder a bit about this Leonine undercurrent in my personality.

I think the persona charts are like directing a magnifying glass onto one planet; for example you could see the purpose of your Saturn in checking the nodal axis of your Saturn-chart. I guess at least.

The Shifted charts are like the Draconic chart, just in relation to Saturn, instead of the nodal axis.
I guess the shifted placements of the natal position show the karmic implications or lessons of that planet.

But I admit I am a bit hazy on that one.

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destino ehehe!

for sure everyone needs abit of leo from time to time!

the north node ic ic hmm..

Cancer 24. A woman and two men on a bit of sunlit land facing south. Keywords: inception, an unusual gift for organizing and exploiting the self's potential. http://www.astrologycritics.com/sabian-symbols-in-astrology/Sabian-Symbols-from-Cancer.html