posted December 01, 2009 07:13 PM            

I agree, i am often seduced by those pesky asteroids but also i am frightened of NN/saturn because of the aspects i had with my ex husband

So i blank them out, but if you and IQ both say they are good then GREAT!!!

BTW what is the pluto-valentine shifts? Is that pluto shifted to 0' aries or valentine shifted to something, or pluto/valentine aspects in all shifts?

posted December 02, 2009 01:21 AM            

I would really only compare the complimentary shift charts, so MOON - SATURN, PLUTO - PROSERPINA, VENUS-MARS.
But I am not even sure yet, if that is valuable / allowed. Of course we can compare everything with everything and we will always come up with amazing connections then, which probably don´t say all that much. So I am still thinking about this idea.
And yes I would limit it to Sun, Moon and ASC, as those carry the essence of every chart.

Lara,

your twin is a different person to your exhusband, plus you are both older and more mature now, so I thinkt hat the Saturn-aspects migth be experessed in a different way now.

Regarding Valentine-Pluto, I think IQ says (or at least that is how I see it) to look for Pluto aspecting Valentine in the shifted charts.
There is no Valentine Shift chart.

posted December 02, 2009 03:07 AM            

Hi guys I have a question. Using this method for predictive events, it's most useful to use a shift chart of your natal chart ruler, right? You guys are using Taurus 0' for Venus shift, my question is...If Venus is my chart ruler (I have Libra Asc), then should I be using Libra or Taurus for Chart Ruler Shift?

posted December 02, 2009 04:05 AM            

PROSERPINA Shift to 0 Libra:
For my wife:
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Her Pro-Shift Moon conjunct my Tropical South Node Exact.

Her Pro-Shift Saturn conj my Tropical VALENTINE by 1 degree orb.

For me:
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My Pro-Shift North Node conjunct her Tropical Ascendant Exact.

Now see the Venus shifts to 0 Libra:
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For my wife:
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No Valid Aspects from VS to my Tropical
For me:
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No Valid Aspects from VS to her Tropical

Now see the Venus shifts to 0 Taurus:
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For my wife:
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Her VS Saturn exactly conjuncts my Tropical Ascendant.

For me:
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My VS North Node exactly conjuncts her Tropical Pluto and Tropical KARMA.

Pluto Shift to 0 Aries Chart:
============================
For my wife:
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Her PS Saturn conjuncts my Tropical Ascendant by 1 degree. How uncannily similar to the Venus Shift Saturn
For me:
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PS VALENTINE conjuncts her Tropical Saturn by 1 degree.

Notice how Nodes, Ascendant, Saturn, Sun, Moon, Pluto and Valentine are consistently getting apsected in relevant shift charts for established soulmates and twin flames.

I am still more convinced about the Saturn Shift charts and their interplay with Moon Shift Charts.

Saturn Shift for my wife:
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SatS Sun conj my Tropical Neptune exact, trine Tropical Ascendant and Saturn exact.

Saturn Shift for me:
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SatS VALENTINE conj wife's Tropical Moon
SatS Sun conj wife's Tropical Saturn

Moon Shift for my wife to 0 Cancer:
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No valid aspects.

Moon Shift for me:
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MS North Node conj wife's DSC exact

Her Moon shift Mars conjuncts my Saturn Shift Mars exact, and this is uncanny because in tropical, our Mars are trine.

Many many more precise aspects with the same objects are made in the Draconic Charts.

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posted December 02, 2009 05:46 AM            

And
"That should be checked only if a prior precise connection in the Pluto Shift, Saturn Shift or Moon Shift is established"
OF COURSE!
I just forgot to mention it. Otherwise we would get swamped with a lot of aspects which may even distort the real picture.

posted December 02, 2009 07:07 AM            

you really have several strong precise aspects with your wife! Especially by Saturn and the NN, I find that highly interesting.

"Notice how Nodes, Ascendant, Saturn, Sun, Moon, Pluto and Valentine are consistently getting apsected in relevant shift charts for established soulmates and twin flames.2
Yes, it`s uncanny, and probably we should focus on these aspects (at least in a first approach to the charts).

posted December 02, 2009 07:08 AM            

my natal mooon square my natal saturn

posted December 02, 2009 09:36 AM            

And his moon shift sun is conjunct my natal NN (0 degree)

posted December 02, 2009 10:54 AM            

wow! that looks like really really strong aspects!

I did a checklist, like IQ did with his wife, for these three guys.

JUDE:
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PLUTO SHIFT

my PS Sun conjunct his Saturn (2)
my PS Saturn conjunct his Sun (0)

his PS ASC conjunct my DESC (2)
his PS Saturn conjunct my NN (1)

PROSERPINA SHIFT

my PRO Sun conjunct his Pluto (0) !
my PRO Pluto conjunct his SN (1)

SATURN SHIFT

my SS Sun conjunct his DESC (0)

his SS DESC conjunct my Sun (2)

MOON SHIFT

his MS Saturn conjunct my Moon (0)
his MS Pluto conjunct my DESC (0)

PAUL:

PLUTO SHIFT

my PS MOON opposite his Saturn (1)
my PS Valentine conjun81)s Moon (1)

his PS MOON conjunct my NN (1)

PROSERPINA SHIFT

my PRO Valentine opposite his Moon (1)
my PRO Valentine conjunct his Pluto (1)!

his PRO Sun conjunct my ASC (2)
his PRO Sun conjunct my NN (0)
his PRO SN conjunct my Pluto (0)
his PRO Valentine opposite my Saturn (0)

SATURN SHIFT

my SS ASC conjunct his Moon (0)
my SS NN conjunct his Valentine (2)

his SS MOON opposite my Pluto (0)]/b]

MOON SHIFT

[b]his MS Sun opposite my Valentine (0)

ANDY

PLUTO SHIFT

my PS Valentine conjunct his NN (2)

his PS NN conjunct my Valentine (2)

PROSERPINA SHIFT

my PS Saturn conjunct his Moon (2)
my PS NN conjunct his Pluto (1)

his PS Valentine conjunct my ASC (0)

SATURN SHIFT

my SS Pluto conjunct his Saturn (1)

his SS Sun conjunct my Pluto (2)
his SS Pluto opposite my Sun (1)

MOON SHIFT

his MS NN conjunct my Saturn (0)
(his MS Valentine conjunct my Karma (0))

posted December 02, 2009 11:22 AM            

Proserpina sun conjunct pluot 0 degree! very nice.

I had to reshift everything so far I only have Johnny done.

His moon s sun conjunct my natal NN 0 deg

his proserpina shift pluto conjunct my natal pluto 1 deg ( not sure about that one)

his saturn shift venus conjunct my sun 1 degree

his pluto shift juno conjunct my sun 0 degree

his venus shift persephone conjunct my NN 2 degree

My Moon s NN conjunct his Moon s venus (0
deg)

His saturn s valentine conjunct my saturn s valentine (0 degree)

I am finding a lot of connections to my IC as well.

posted December 02, 2009 12:10 PM            

Here are mine:

PLUTO SHIFT
My PLUTO sun opp his n moon (2)
my (shift) PLUTO venus cj his (Shift) PLUTO sun (2)

my (shift) PLUTO AC cj his (shift) PLUTO saturn (2)

PROSERPINA SHIFT
My PROSERPINA (shift) sun cj his n valentine (0)

My PROSERPINA (shift) Pluto cj his n Persephone (1)

My PROSERPINA (shift) AC opp his n venus (1)
His PROSERPINA (shift) moon cj my n psyche (1)

His PROSERPINA (shift) Saturn opp my n Proserpina (1)

His PROSERPINA (shift) opp my n valentine (1)
His PROSERPINA (shift) venus opp my n valentine (2)

My PROSERPINA (shift) NN/Saturn cj his n Pluto (2) 

My PROSERPINA (shift) moon/venus cj his n MC (2)


SATURN SHIFT
his SATURN saturn
cj my SATURN saturn/nn (0)

His SATURN AC opp my SATURN Saturn/nn (1)

MOON SHIFT
My MOON valentine cj his n valentine (0)
My MOON sun cj his MOON nn (1)
My MOON valentine opp his MOON Saturn (1)
His MOON nn cj my MOON sun (1)
my (shift) MOON sun opp his (shift) MOON NN (1)

my (shift) MOON valentine opp his (shift) MOON Saturn (1)
My MOON sun cj his n sun (3)

VENUS SHIFT (cos I think it’s important)
my (shift) VENUS sun opp his (shift) VENUS AC (0)
My VENUS sun opp his VENUS AC (0)
my (shift) VENUS moon cj his (shift) VENUS moon (0)
My VENUS nn/Saturn cj his n venus (0)
My VENUS moon cj his n MC (0)
my (shift) VENUS venus cj his (shift) VENUS moon (0)
His VENUS Saturn opp my n Saturn/nn (0)
my (shift) VENUS karma cj his (shift) VENUS AC (0)

My VENUS sun opp his n AC (2)
My VENUS moon/venus cj his n venus (2)
My VENUS nn cj his n valentine (2)
my (shift) VENUS NN cj his (shift) VENUS venus (2)
My VENUS Saturn cj his n valentine (2)

posted December 03, 2009 01:37 AM            

The precise Sun-NN in the MOON SHIFT CHART and the Valentine - Valentine in the SATURN SHIFT CHART look impressive.

BTW i dreamed of George last night.

Lara,

I just used the same charts IQ used; I still am fond of the Venus chart though.

posted December 03, 2009 02:36 AM            

And Vesta, you have found very meaningful aspects as well.

DD's correlations confirm that this theory works for the Soul Group.

I am very happy that this system is giving useful results. It has helped spawn many corollaries for me but I am not ready to explain them yet, plenty of refinement needed...

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posted December 03, 2009 05:51 AM            

so you would also check Shift-Shift aspects, if there is a 0-degree conjunction / opposition in the Shift-tropical comparision?

So I guess in Lara`s case the (precise) filter aspects would be these?
My MOON valentine cj his n valentine (0)
His VENUS Saturn opp my n Saturn/nn (0)

And Vesta`s filter aspect would be?
His moon s sun conjunct my natal NN 0 deg

And my filter aspects would be?

JUDE:
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my SS Sun conjunct his DESC (0)
his MS Saturn conjunct my Moon (0)
his MS Pluto conjunct my DESC (0)
my VS SN Conjunct his Pluto (0)

PAUL:
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my SS ASC conjunct his Moon (0)
his SS MOON opposite my Pluto (0)
his MS Sun opposite my Valentine (0)

ANDY
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his MS NN conjunct my Saturn (0)
his SS Pluto opposite my Sun (0)

posted December 03, 2009 10:03 AM            

But would they work as a filter as DD asked?

so would I then concider the
Saturn s valentine conjunct saturn s valentine 0 deg ?

thanks

DD,
I will have to look at George shift I am even more curious now that you mentioned his name. I was wondering about the connections there ?
I do know the pluto shift but that is all so far

My pluto s moon conjunct his trop ASC 1 deg
his pluto s Valentine opp my trop ASC 1 deg
His pluto s ASC opp my trop sun 1 deg
his pluto s venus opp my trop venus 0 deg

His moon s NN conjunct my trop proserpina 0 deg
His moon s Pluto conjunct my trop proserpina
1 deg
his venus s pluto conjunct my trop moon 0 deg
his venus s NN conjunct my trop moon 2 deg

posted December 03, 2009 03:14 PM            

"His moon s sun conjunct my trop NN 0 deg
and
My moon s sun conjunct his trop Moon 0 deg
But would they work as a filter as DD asked?"
I think they definitely would work as a filter, but maybe only a filter for the Moon Shift chart, so you would look at the MS to MS aspects?

"so would I then concider the
Saturn s valentine conjunct saturn s valentine 0 deg ? "
I think I would.

Definitely a lot of strong aspects in the Pluto shift chart with George! I definitely love that Pluto-Proserpina conjunction in Pluto chart.

You, and this dream, inspired me to take a look at my own shift chart with him (without Proserpina though), especially since our synastry is the most uneventful I have ever seen. lol
Puzzles me even more that I dreamed of him.

Anyway those are the most significant connections as i think.

SATURN SHIFT

his SS Moon conjunct my Sun (3) - a bit wide orbed I know
my SS Moon opposite his Moon (2)
my SS MOon opposite his Saturn (0)

MOON SHIFT

my MS Valentine conjunct his Valentine (0) on 10 Aries - this one really floored me
my MS Juno opposite his Moon (1)
my MS Juno opposite his Saturn (0)

PLUTO SHIFT

his PS Sun conjunct my NN (0) on 10 Sagittarius
my PS Juno conjunct his Pluto (2)

VENUS SHIFT
his VS Moon conjunct my Moon (2)
his VS Saturn conjunct my Moon (0)
my VS Karma opposite his Valentine (0)

his VS ASC Conjunct my VS ASC (2)
his VS Pluto opposite my VS Valentine (1)
his VS SN conjunct my VS Valentine (1)
his VS Karma conjunct my VS Valentine (0)

posted December 04, 2009 01:14 AM            

I looked closer at the shift charts with Johnny.

MOON SHIFT
his moon S sun conjunct my trop NN 0 deg

His moon S Venus conjunct my moon shift NN 0 deg

My moon S sun conjunct his trop moon 0 deg

SATURN SHIFT
His saturn shift venus conjunct my trop sun 1 deg
My saturn shift proserpina conjunct his NN 2 deg

My saturn S valentine conjunct his valentine 0 deg

My saturn shift NN opp his saturn S Moon 3 deg( a little wide)

PLUTO SHIFT
my pluto S valentine conjunct his trop sun 1 deg

My pluto S NN conjunct his trop venus 0 deg

My pluto S proserpina conj his trp venus 1 deg

His pluto S juno conjunct my trop sun 0 deg

I am going to take a closer look at the pluto shift but that is what I have so far
Not sure why but the pluto shift NN to his venus feels important for some reason.