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Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 01:41 PM
  
yup, makes sense to me and i'm not just saying that cos i have a venus/venus cj in the venus chart with my man. I bet if i do the SS charts for my ex husband and i we have prominent Saturn aspects!! IP: Logged |
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posted November 23, 2009 01:59 PM
John has his Saturn in 22Libra.so for me to switch i have to go forward 68šdegrees in every planet and asteroid of his natal'?IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 02:06 PM
SOLARmy SOL sun 0' Leo
his n NN 4' aqua My SOL moon 15' cancer
his n uranus 16' cancer my SOL venus 15' cancer
his n uranus 16' cancer my SOL mars 15' leo
his n moon 18' aqua my SOL pluto 14' sag
his n sun 12' gemini his SOL moon 29' pisces
my n boda 29' virgo his SOL venus 16' gemini
my n LARA 17' gemini his SOL mars 10' leo
my n surname 8' leo his SOL NN 22' pisces
my n pluto 20' virgo his SOL AC 5' capricorn
my n briede 2' cancer
MY SOL PLUTO 14' sagittarius
HIS SOL VENUS 16' Gemini
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DiandraReborn25
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posted November 23, 2009 02:15 PM
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Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 02:23 PM
ok here is my summary of PURE aspects - just AC and personal planets/classic planets.What do you think DD and IQ please?
I personally love the VENUS venus/venus on 0' Taurus the best!!
SATURN
my SATURN mars 3' aquarius
his n NN 4' Aquarius
his SATURN moon 28' aries
my sun/moon midpoint 27' aries his SATURN mars 2' virgo
my SS AC 4' pisces his SATURN saturn 0' capricorn
my SATURN NN 0' capricorn
my SATURN moon 3' capricorn
my SATURN venus 3' Capricorn his SATURN AC 29' gemini
my SATURN saturn 0' capricorn
my SATURN NN 0' capricorn
my SATURN moon 3' capricorn
my SATURN venus 3' Capricorn
VENUS
my VENUS sun 15' taurus
his n ascendant 17' scorpio my VENUS moon/venus 0' taurus
his n venus 28' aries
my sun/moon midpoint 27' aries my VENUS NN/saturn 28' aries
his n venus 28' aries
my sun/moon midpoint 27' aries my VENUS AC 1' cancer
his n vertex 0' cancer his VENUS moon 16' aquarius
my n MC 16' aquarius his VENUS venus 0' taurus
my sun/moon midpoint 27' aries his VENUS mars 20' gemini
my n AC 22' Gemini his VENUS saturn 18' libra
my n saturn 18' aries
my n NN 18' aries
my n moon 21' aries
my n venus 21' aries
my n PETER 20' aries !!! his VENUS pluto 19' leo
my n IC 16' leo my VENUS valentine 1' leo
his VENUS venus 0' taurus his VENUS AC 15' scorpio
my VENUS JUNO 15' scorpio MY VENUS SUN 15' TAURUS
HIS VENUS AC 15' SCORPIO MY VENUS VENUS 0' TAURUS
HIS VENUS VENUS 0' TAURUS
MOON
my MOON sun 15' gemini
his n sun 12' gemini
his MOON NN 16' gemini
my MOON mars 0' cancer
his n vertex 0' cancer
his MOON pluto 3' Capricorn my MOON pluto 29' leo
his MC 27' leo my MOON juno 25' sagittarius
his MOON mars 25' gemini my MOON valentine 1' virgo
his MOON saturn 2' pisces
his n valentine 1' virgo my MOON AC 1' leo
his n NN 4' aquarius his MOON sun 24' libra
my n moon/venus 21' aries his MOON mars 25' gemini
my n AC 22' Gemini his MOON NN 16' gemini
my MOON SUN 15' gemini !! his MOON PLUTO 3' capricorn
my MOON MARS 0' cancer SOLAR my SOL Valentine 16' libra
his SOL valentine 18' libra
my n saturn/NN 18' aries my SOL sun 0' Leo
his n NN 4' aqua My SOL moon 15' cancer
his n uranus 16' cancer my SOL venus 15' cancer
his n uranus 16' cancer my SOL mars 15' leo
his n moon 18' aqua my SOL pluto 14' sag
his n sun 12' Gemini his SOL NN 22' pisces
my n pluto 20' virgo MY SOL PLUTO 14' sagittarius
HIS SOL VENUS 16' Gemini
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted November 23, 2009 02:38 PM
EDIT: Dear IQ has come to my rescue with these calculations. Thank the heavens he has our charts LOL. SS Aspects he pointed out: My SS True Node conjuncts his Pluto. My SS Pluto conjuncts his SS KARMA in 13 Capricorn His SS Ascendant conjuncts my SS Mars exact in 1 Scorpio. Sabians 13 Capricorn (SS Pluto/Karma)
"An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture" (beautiful Sabian  ) 1 Scorpio (SS ASC/Mars)
"A Crowded Sightseeing Bus On A City Street" (hmmm I'll have to meditate on this one, I have no idea what this means LOL) I'll scrounge around through the dracos and composite looking for more tomorrow now that I know how to check properly. Thanks IQ!
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DD
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posted November 23, 2009 03:32 PM
Sorry, if <i don`t respond to your aspects for now, but I got so immersed with my own. I actually added Valentine and Juno to the mix.Jude: Saturn chart: my S Sun conjunct his DESC (0)
his SDESC conjunct my Sun (3)
his S Venus opposite my Sun (1)
his S Mars conjunct my SN (3)
my S Moon conjunct his S Jupiter
my S Moon conjunct his S NN
my S Valentine conjunct his S Moon
his S Valentine conjunct my Antivertex and Sun-Moon-mp
his S Valentine conjunct my S Venus
Moon chart:
his lMIC conjunct my ASC (3)
his l Pluto conjunct my DESC (1) my l Saturn conjunct his Mars (1)
his l Venus opposite my Moon (2)
his l Sun opposite my Jupiter (1)
his l IC conjunct my NN (0)
my L IC conjunct his L Venus my L Vallentine conjunct his IC
his L Valentine conjunct my Jupiter
my Juno opposite his L Jupiter
my Juno conjunct his L SN
his Juno conjunct my L Saturn Sun chart: my S Desc conjunct his Sun (3,5) my S Mars opposite his Sun (1)
my S SN conjunct his Jupiter (3)
my S NN conjunct his SN (2)
my S Jupiter opposite his Chiron (3)
his S vEnus oposite my Venus (1)
his S Saturn conjunct my Venus (1)
my S Venus conjunct his S Jupiter
my S Venus conjunct his S NN
my S mars opposite his S Saturn my sol Valentine exactly conjunct his Sol ASC on 1 Cancer!!!!! his sol Juno opposite my Sun
his Valentine conjunct my Sol Mars Venus chart: my V DESC conjunct his Pluto (3)
my V Moon conjunct his DESC (2)
his V Jupiter conjunct my DESC (3)
his V NN conjunct my ASC (4) my V Jupiter opposite his Sun (2)
my V Moon opposite his Venus (2)
my V Moon conjunct his Saturn 84)
my V SN Conjunct his Pluto (0)
his V Jupiter opposite my Mars (1)
his V SN Conjunct my Mars (2) my Juno conjunct his V Moon
his V Juno conjunct my Chiron
his V Juno conjunct my V Sun
his Valentine conjunct my V Jupiter
Paul:
Saturn chart:
my S ASC conjunct his Moon (1)
My S Moon conjunct his S DESC
my S Mars conjunct his Moon (1)
my S Pluto conjunct his Mars (2)
his S SN conjunct my Venus (0)
his S Moon opposite my Pluto (0)
my S Moon conjunct his S Pluto
my S Pluto conjunct his S Venus
his Valentine conjunct my S NN!!!
his Juno conjunct my S ASC!
his Juno conjunct my S NN
his S Juno opposite my Pluto Moon chart: my l ASC conjunct his Sun (3) my l Mars conjunct his Sun (1)
my L Venus conjunct his Moon (0)
my L IC conjunct his NN (2)
his L Pluto opposite my Chiron (1)
his L Chiron conjunct my Chiron (0)
my L Venus conjunct his L Pluto my L Valentine conjunct his L Jupiter
my Valentine opposite his L Sun
his L Valentine opposite my Venus
his Juno conjunct my L Venus
solar chart:
my S Jupiter opposite his Sun (2)
my S Moon opposite his Mars (1)
my S Venus opposite his Saturn (0)
his S Venus opposite my Moon (0)
his S Mars opposite my Venus (3)
my S Venus conjunct his S Venus my solar Valentine conjunct his sol Mars
my Valentine conjunct his sol NN!!!!!! 
his Valentine conjunct my L Chiron
his Juno conjunct my L Chiron Venus chart:
my V Sun conjunct his Sun (3)
my S Chiron conjunct his NN (2)
my S Sun conjunct his S Sun
my V Valentine conjunct his Mars
my Juno conjunct his V Mars
Andy: Saturn chart: my S Moon conjunct his Juptier (2)
my S Pluto conjunct his Saturn (1)
my S Pluto opposite his Pluto (2)
my S IC conjunct his Pluto (2)
my S Mars conjunct his NN (3)
my S Pluto conjunct his Chiron (1) his S Pluto opposite my Sun (0)
his S Chiron conjunct my Sun (1)
his S Mars conjunct my Saturn (2)
his S Sun conjunct my Pluto (3)
his S Sun conjunct my MC (1)
his S Venus opposite my Chiron (3) my S Valentine conjunct his S Jupiter
his S Valentine conjunct my Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp
his S Juno conjunct my S Mars
his S Juno conjunct my S ASC exactly !!! Moon chart: my L DESC conjunct his L Pluto his L Venus conjunct my Jupiter (1)
his L NN conjunct my Saturn (0)
his L Mars conjunct my NN (1)
his L Jupiter conjunct my MC (0)
my L Mars opposite his L Pluto my L Valentine conjunct his Valentine!!!
my L VAlentine opposite his Mars
my L Juno conjunct his Jupiter!
my Valentine opposite his L Saturn
my Valeninte conjunct his L Pluto (4)
his L Juno conjunct my L Mars
solar:
my S DESC conjunct his Venus (0)
my S Mars opposite his Venus (1)
my S SN conjunct his Venus (1)
mmy S Moon opposite his Saturn (1)
my S Moon conjunct his Pluto (0)
my S Pluto conjunct his NN (2)
my S Moon opposite his Chiron (0)
his S Saturn opposite my Chiron (0)
his S Pluto conjunct my Chiron (0)
my solar VAlentine opposite his Sun
my solar Juno conjunct his Saturn and Chiron
my Valentine conjunct his solar Moon
my Juno conjunct his solar Juno!
his solar Valenine exactly opposes my sol Pluto
his sol Juno conjunct my Jupiter!
his Valentine opposite my sol Jupiter
his Juno conjunct my sol Venus
Venus chart:
his V DESC conjunct my Moon (1) my V Pluto opposite his Jupiter / Karma (0)
his V Moon opposite my Moon (1)
his V Pluto conjunct my Venus (4)
his V Sun conjunct my Chiron (0)
my V Pluto conjunct his V Saturn my V Valentine conjunct his Saturn and Chiron
my V Valentine exactly opposes his Pluto
my V Juno opposes his Venus
my V Juno conjunct his V Saturn and V Chiron
my V Juno opposes his V Pluto
his V Valentine exactly opposes my V Pluto
his V Juno conjunct my Mars and widely my ASC (4)
his Juno conjunct my V Chiron
The Valentine-Pluto-DW really floors me 
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posted November 23, 2009 03:33 PM
Funny synchronicity, I was just zapping through the channels on TV and they are showing "Serendipity", the film with John Cusack where he seeks his soulmate.
And it was that scene where he keeps hearing her name everywhere, Sarah.
The synchronicity is that 2 years ago I was supposed to go to London,a nd on the way I was listening to music, and I was just listening to Andy singing a song, when I realized that I couldnīt go to London. It wouldn`t be right. I thought I was crazy, but then the train suddenly stopped (there apparently had been people on the track) and I missed the following trains. Well, the staff would have made it possible for me to get there nevertheless, but just before getting on that train, I found that I could not get into it, and even though everyone thought me crazy, I turned around, went back home, had a very interesting encounter on the way back - a girl who would suddenly start telling me about musicals and Starlight Express, the musical that started it all for me, and I then decided to go to the Netherlands instead, because first of all I had the feeling, that it was too early to go to London (2 years before Hamlet  which I could not have known back then) and then I had that gnawing feeling that there was something else I needed to see, learn, do, understand instead. And I did. The 7th july 2007 was just too magical a date to not listen. Well, and in some way it was Andy`s singing of that song that set it in motion, made me realize all that and act uncharacteristically impulsive and irrational, without thinking about it at all. The title of the song was: "For Sarah". IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 04:42 PM
Oh that valentine Pluto dw is gobsmacking DD!  IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 23, 2009 04:57 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't know how to create these charts? Are you guys doing it all by hand?? I won't do it by hand, so please help me by telling me how to do this on astro.com!!
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DD
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posted November 23, 2009 05:25 PM
Lara,yes, I thought it was very well describing the transformational theme I feel.
Do you think the Venus charts are the deciding factor?
Diana,
I fear you will have to do it by hand. Saturn chart: 270 - your Saturnposition ADd the result to every position
Moon chart:
90 - Moon position Add the result to every position
Solar chart:
120 - Sun position
Add the result to every position Venus chart: 30 - Venus position Add the result to every position IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 23, 2009 05:33 PM
Thanks, DD. I can't do it right now. I don't even understand it, lol. Maybe another day when I don't have such bad cramps. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 23, 2009 05:42 PM
Lara,let me have a short look at yours, before I fall into bed. BTW the Venus position in the Venus chart will always be on 00 Taurus for everyone.
SATURN
"my SATURN mars 3' aquarius
his n NN 4' Aquarius"
This seems to be actively binding to me.
"his SATURN AC 29' gemini
my SATURN saturn 0' capricorn
my SATURN NN 0' capricorn
my SATURN moon 3' capricorn
my SATURN venus 3' Capricorn"
I thin it is is very significant that you have an ASC connection here, and such a strong one! "ENUS my VENUS sun 15' taurus
his n ascendant 17' scorpio" Again a lovely connection with ASC. In the Venus chart, so there is the love. "my VENUS moon/venus 0' taurus
his n venus 28' aries "
This is a sweet one, I think.
"my VENUS NN/saturn 28' aries
his n venus 28' aries
my sun/moon midpoint 27' aries"
And that is the glue of love or in love.
"his VENUS mars 20' gemini
my n AC 22' Gemini"§
Another ASC-connection, a sexy one.
"his VENUS saturn 18' libra
my n saturn 18' aries
my n NN 18' aries
my n moon 21' aries
my n venus 21' aries
my n PETER 20' aries !!!"
More bonding factors combined with love.
"his VENUS AC 15' scorpio
my VENUS JUNO 15' scorpio"
I love love love that one!
An ASC-connection with Juno in the Venus-chart. this seems to be one of the best ways to describe a committed relationship based on love.
"MY VENUS SUN 15' TAURUS
HIS VENUS AC 15' SCORPIO"
And another ASC-connection. Phew, if we already knew you were Twinflames...
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posted November 23, 2009 05:42 PM
"MOON
my MOON sun 15' gemini
his n sun 12' gemini
his MOON NN 16' gemini"
There is also a very nurturing and caring vibe (and all on MY Karma on 16 Gemini.lol)
"my MOON mars 0' cancer
his n vertex 0' cancer
his MOON pluto 3' Capricorn"
Mars - Pluto speaks of great intensity int he frame of Moon, so the intensity will take place on a nurturing level I think.
"my MOON valentine 1' virgo
his MOON saturn 2' pisces
his n valentine 1' virgo"
That is a great one, too. Valentine-Saturn-Valentine; a true love with much glue with emotional attachment.
"y MOON AC 1' leo
his n NN 4' aquarius"
An ASC-connection. Cool.
"his MOON NN 16' gemini
my MOON SUN 15' gemini !!"
Yes, exactly.
SOLAR
"my SOL Valentine 16' libra
his SOL valentine 18' libra
my n saturn/NN 18' aries"
I am still unsure about the Solars, but mine seem to be important, too.
Anyway Valentine-Saturn-NN, you do the math.
"my SOL venus 15' cancer
his n uranus 16' cancer
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Sounds very electrical to me.
"y SOL pluto 14' sag
his n sun 12' Gemini"
This one speaks of an intense bonding, I guess, with much transformational power, not easy at all times, with the opposition which even increases Pluto`s intensity.
The whole Self get transformed?
"his SOL NN 22' pisces
my n pluto 20' virgo"
SN - Pluto, obsession, power, passion from the past?
"MY SOL PLUTO 14' sagittarius
HIS SOL VENUS 16' Gemini"
Another very passionate aspect.
You have ASC-connectionson 3 levels; I was a bit surprised to not find an ASC c onnection on the Solar level here (I almost had been thinking, that maybe Twinflames will have those on all levels?).
Are you SURE there is no ASC-connection on the Solar level?
Have you checked Solar ASC as well as natal ASC? IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 05:46 PM
I don't know DD.. I like my mars/pluto DW in the MOON one.
The Valentine/NN linkage in the SUN one with the pluto/venus.
I love the VENUS one cos they aspect so many planets and that VENUS/venus dw exact just rocks along with AC/sun and AC/juno lol What are we looking for here, exactly? What's the point of all of this IP: Logged |
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posted November 23, 2009 06:14 PM
Diana,sorry to hear you are in pain.  I have had pretty bad cramps last week, too, and other problem. It is really not nice.
Lara,
"The Valentine/NN linkage in the SUN one with the pluto/venus."
I like that one especially!
"I love the VENUS one cos they aspect so many planets and that VENUS/venus dw exact just rocks along with AC/sun and AC/juno"
Well, I agree with everything but the Venus/ Venus DW, cause this will appear in every Venus-synastry.
But the ASC / Sun and ASC / Juno is just amazing! "What are we looking for here, exactly? What's the point of all of this "
I think the point is to prove the theory that Twinflames charts will click there, and if I understand it right, IQ will want to see tight ASC-connections to major players (personally I would add Valentine and Juno, definitely) as a "twinflame proof" there. But going beyond this, I think maybe it will help to see where the emphasis lies in a Twinflame or even Soulmate relationship. If they have strong Saturn or Moon chart, but donīt have a strong Venus-chart, then maybe there will be no romantic relationship between them; instead the karmic lessons will be on the forefront as well as the need for emotional nurturing, maybe even in form of a family or parental-like relationship. On top of this I think the Saturn chart might give clues to the glue and potential lastingness of a connection.
Maybe Saturn aspects within a chart would be even better for this, too. For example.
Saturn aspects in a Venus-chart, might point to that glue within the frame of a love-relationship. Pluto here might point towards transformations, intensity and also bonding (it is a different form of bonding than Saturn, but still I think Pluto`s intensity tends to make it difficult for people to let go of each other).
I also noticed that both of us again have strong Pluto-aspects.
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Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 06:22 PM
SOLAR AC huh?Well his SOL AC does cj my n briede
it doesn't count though ! IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 23, 2009 06:25 PM
It counts for me. You already have so many strong aspects, that it surely will count.
What do you think about my aspects with these guys? Have you got any impressions about these?
(I feel like the aspects are swimming before my eyes) IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 06:30 PM
I'm looking now yeah i guess it floats hehe Thank you for your interpretations - i wish i could do that. I am o bad at interpreting the aspects, it's like a block for me.
insanity... !!
ok let me take a serious look. IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl
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posted November 23, 2009 06:36 PM
Lara,That V Venus/Venus conjunction at 0 Taurus almost made me pass out LOL! There is so much to look at here. I am going to take a look at everyone's aspects, I'm just exhausted--the SS took me all day. I'm intrigued by the VS chart though...I think I'm going to bite the bullet and do it LOL! IP: Logged |
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posted November 23, 2009 06:56 PM
EDIT: More IQ rescuing...VS Aspects: His VS Valentine conjuncts my KARMA. His VS Pluto conjuncts my JUNO. His VS Saturn conjuncts my Jupiter. My VS Moon conjuncts his VS Pluto exact in 11 Scorpio. Sabians 11 Scorpio (VS Moon/Pluto)
"An Official Embassy Ball" (for some reason I really like this Sabian--balls are romantic LOL) I'll do more scrounging of this one tomorrow too. Again, thanks IQ. You're the best!
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Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 06:57 PM
Starr, i think i was just disorientated cos everyone's Venus is at 0' Taurus - sadly LOL IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl
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posted November 23, 2009 07:49 PM
Are you sure? Mine isn't...I moved it forward with an arc of 25 and I got 0 Sag...(but Aqua has an arc of 20 and his natal Venus is at 10 Aries so he is actually valid for Venus at 0 Taurus--I think)0 Taurus is just used to find the base calculation of the arc right? But actual planets found there are valid? Or have I misunderstood everything LOL? If so I'll have to exclude the Saturn placements from the SS charts and the Venus placements from the VS charts. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted November 23, 2009 07:52 PM
No i'm not sure LOLIP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl
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posted November 23, 2009 08:13 PM
I think your Venus/Venus conj is valid, Lara, but we'll await clarification from IQ...I've been seeing a lot of 11's lately. The last couple of times I've had strong thoughts about it's been 11:11 on the dot! We have karma though, so we can't be twins...or could we? Do twins have things to "iron out" between them? I don't need the twin connection to feel validated, I know what we are to each other is very powerful, but some of this stuff (telepathy, aspects, etc.) is really spooky and strong. Can true love soulmates have these types of occurences, and is it perhaps sharing MANY lives together that makes it strong? Some of this confuses me. I'm going to pass on the Lunar shift chart for now, I've managed to give myself a headache LOL. IP: Logged |
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