posted November 24, 2009 10:22 AM              

Sun cj his Karma nd Pallas0
Moon wide cj his DSC
MARS ND valentine cj his MC
NORTH NODE cj his MOON 0
UNION cj his CHILD nd opose Sun
OSIRIS cj his SN
BRIEDE cj his BODA
GROOM CJ HIS GROOM !
BODA cj his PF nad opose AMOR
DSC cj his Mars,and widely his VX
karma cj his MC

HIS SS VENUS - MY NATAL

(NOTE HIS SS Sun cj my SS ASC)

SUN CJ my Anna
MOON cj my FELICITAS 0
MARS conj my MARS/VALENTINE 0º and KARMA 4º
OSIRIS cj my satunr pluto
ISIS Cj my Juno
VALENTINE cj my siva
UNION cj my NN/PF 2º /VESTA 0º
BRIEDE opose my SUN 1º
GROOM cj my Venus 1º
BODA wide opose UNION/DESTINN 4º
FELICITAS cj BODA 3º
KARMA opose BODA 3º

ASC cj my DSC 3º
IC cj my NORTH NODE 3º/vesta 1º/PF 3º
DSC cj MOON 0º

im seeing a strong patter betwenn me and Joh´s switch Charts - the asteroids more interlinked with each other´s are the Briede/Groom/Boda that links with our Destiny/karmic points nd asteroids.

posted November 24, 2009 10:56 AM            

Saturn shifted Sun, Moon, ASC, True Node and Pluto conjunct / opposite the tropical Sun, Moon or ASC.

posted November 24, 2009 11:30 AM              

i think that Twin Flames can have karmic lessons to learn with each other indeed.

not all of them i think,but it depends on what they prior established before Reincarnating.

and karmic doenst necessarily means "negative"

me and jOHN have some karmic issues to solve,and it is related to marriage/commitment.

we are KARMIC Wife and HUSBAND - our Souls met in order for us to share a life together and form a happy family,loving and supporting.

This is one of our karmic "lessons" . and i dont see it as bad hihihi much the contrary!

Saturn is always needed in order to establish longterm basis to a relationship,resonsability and "binding glue".

posted November 24, 2009 11:41 AM            

I agree partially. I agree that SATURN is binding... yet it is also highly karmic and i think that Saturn in the synastry is great for any kind of "mate".

I disagree though that SATURN in a twin flame relationship is there in this SATURN chart. I think it will be for soul mates but not for Twin Flames.

Twin Flames are past karma and lessons. They are all about love and purity; the ascension into being humanitarians together for the greater good of the planet.
This is when you have dissolved your life karma and are ready for the Twin Flame!!!

In meditation, the Triple Flame is activated when you have resolved 90% of all your karma! It is not activated otherwise as one's energy is too low for it to activate.

Same principle. You won't meet your Twin Flame until your energy/you/soul are ready for the energy ascension that takes place.

I am right in the middle of experiencing it now and it is far from Karmic. Karma is lower level; this is just off the charts!!

Agree?

posted November 24, 2009 11:48 AM            

(if that makes sense)

Twin Flames, i don't believe, have any KARMA together. Sure, they can have their own individual KARMA but it's not together. They owe each other nothing. They meet as 2 individual halves of the same soul.

How can the same soul have KARMA with itself? It's impossible. KARMA is attraction/allurement/repulsion - as in we ATTRACT and ALLURE a mate whom has the same KARMIC lesson as us and we learn the lesson and are then REPULSED to end the relationship and do it all over again with another until we are ready for the TWIN FLAME. The rainbow at the end of the KARMIC thunderstorm!

posted November 24, 2009 11:58 AM            

I agree partially.

But in the article the author wrote, that Twinflames often encounter each other shortly in several lives, so this seems to imply that twinflames can have met in past lives, no?

Maybe the Saturn shifted chart could also illuminate the PAST karma, which has been resolved, so the twinflames now are really ready for their union?
Or is the Saturn shifted chart always about the lessons of NOW.

Cause I agree, I don`t think twinflames present "lessons" to each other. I rather think that they "grow together". Maybe there are lessons, but it is not like one is the teacher of these lessons for the other; they are developing together, as equal partners.
At least that is how I see it. At least for now. My opinion is not set in stone though. I am still learning.

I have another question regarding numerology. You said you checked yours and Peter`s.

How exactly did you check it?
Did you use Pythagoras or Chaldean for the names?
What have you been looking at?:

birthday (like 18th)
lifepath (whole birthdate)
whole name
consonants
vowels?

Did you use all name you have, or just the ones you are called, or both?

Did you compare everything with everything?

For example:
Does it have a meaning if someon`s vowel-number is the same as the other partner`s lifepath?

posted November 24, 2009 12:09 PM            

quote:

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How exactly did you check it?
Did you use Pythagoras or Chaldean for the names?
What have you been looking at?:

birthday (like 18th)
lifepath (whole birthdate)
whole name
consonants
vowels?

Did you use all name you have, or just the ones you are called, or both?

Did you compare everything with everything?

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I used chaldean and the normal one.

Birth day
whole name (as on birth certificate)
birth date (day/month/year)
heart number (vowels)
personality (consonants)

posted November 24, 2009 12:13 PM            

I think maybe Diandra and you are having a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the word "Karma".

If I understand both of you right, you are saying, that Karma implies, that one haspresented lessons to the other, which often comes in form of rather negative experiences, like an abusive or neglecting husband, an alcoholic mother, violence of any form and so on. And that this doesn`t happen between twinflame (I am inclined to agree with that; I can hardly a Twinflame being cruel to one another).

And I think Diandra is just saying that Twinflames could have met in past lives and interacted, so of course they would have influenced each other in some way, probably in a very loving way.

My opinion and thoughts are just: TWinflames don`t represent lessons, only common growth (and of course unconditional love).

They may have decided to learn (some lessons) BEFORE incarnating, but they will do so together, not in a scenario where one will be the "criminal" and one will be the "victim", or even where one will be the "teacher" and the other the "pupil".
They are equal.

posted November 24, 2009 12:18 PM            

I am now beginning to understand why i always thought this was my last life. Maybe it's my last karmic life and so i meet my Twin Flame and that's it. End of movie

posted November 24, 2009 12:19 PM            

IQ, what do you think of all this Pluto action in the SS and VS chart? Moon/Pluto has shown up for us before--we have that in the composite. Mars shows up a lot too--I'm curious what you think about that SS ASC/Mars exact conjunction. I never quite know how to interpret Mars energy when it hits such personal points...

Lara, are you saying the SS should be for karmic soulmates and the VS for twinflames?

posted November 24, 2009 12:35 PM            

TWIN FLAMES are totally selfless to planet earth and her evolvement. So you see, there is no karma!

I think we probably are in agreement, just not in words - but in higher meaning

BTW for ASC ruler ( i can only realistically do his as mine is dual/sign)
my ASC RULER VENUS cj his n sun (2)
my ASC RULER MOON opp his n ASC (2/3)
my ASC RULER VENUS opp his n ASC (2/3)
my ASC RULER MARS cj his n SUN (2)

Starr - yes, i think that SV is more likely Twin Flame than SS but hey, i'm just interested to know why IQ is convinced that it's SS - and he knows more than me

How do you mean the numerology formula?

posted November 24, 2009 12:44 PM            

"BTW for ASC ruler ( i can only realistically do his as mine is dual/sign)"
What do you mean by that?

posted November 24, 2009 01:05 PM            

DD asked did you use Pythagoras or Chaldean for the names--what is the difference?

And for these:

birthday (like 18th)--is this the number for the day of the birth? Like I was born on the 17th so I'm an 8?

lifepath (whole birthdate)--what are you adding together for lifepath? month/day/year?

You have mentioned heart number before too. How do you get that?

Also, if two people who are karmic soulmates but not twins have strong SS and VS charts do you think that is an additional affirmation of their soulmatedness?

DD--I don't know Lara's ASC, but I think she means the sign is ruled by two planets. Like I have a Pisces ASC, which could be considered dual-ruled, by both Neptune and it's ancient ruler Jupiter. So maybe I'd want to check both Neptune and Jupiter shifts.

posted November 24, 2009 01:19 PM            

As Andy sang it in the translation of the song "She" (sorry, I am constantly referencing him, I know, I know) and there was this line: "To not love her, I believe, would hurt (unbearably)."
Not only that, it is impossible.
What I learned in the course of the years (and noone taught me, but life or my soul itself) is that love is given freely and without expectations, which also includes that it is independent of mutuality.
It sounds simple, loving without expectations, but if we are honest it is not that easy at all.

"that usually means meeting, loving and losing "near twins" to which are in reality Companion Soul Mates. Are you brave and strong enough to be able to risk loving with your heart and soul just to have the dream shattered?"
Not just the dream, it felt as if my whole (inner) life was shattered. Yes, that is what happened to me during the "dark night of my soul".

"win Flames do not teach each other, they learn together and help each other learn the lessons that have been set before them in this lifetime."
Yes, that was what I meant to ssay. the growing doesn`t stop. Actually twinflames together can accomplish so much more than alone.