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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We got some great responses to the thread title. I am gonna make a new article

"What Drives Each Sign to the Shrink" With the Help of my LL Friends.

I am gonna put in some of the great quotes from your posts.

If anyone does not want me to use theirs, let me know.

If not, I will put it all together and stick the new article back up!

Thank you all for the amazing contribitions

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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to the WONDERFUL and AMAZING people who came to stand up for me like CP and Hypatia, against a mob of people, I really, really thank you and will never forget it.

If there is anything I can ever do for you, help with charts or anything, please call on me!

I am a leader kind of person.

A leader cannot expect to have strong opinions and not meet with disapproval.

I have seen Randall go through this cuz he is a leader.

He just got stronger!

I was not meant/created to be a follower.

Hence, if a group of people don't like me/ come against me/ try to hurt me/ mob together against me--I can't control that.

However, they will never get me to change my core principles.

Only people I respect and God will do that.

Onto write my new article.

If you can't take the heat, don't read it

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bonsai
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posted September 10, 2016 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If you can't take the heat, don't read it


Well, you've proven that you can't .

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

A leader would address valid concerns regarding their messages that were communicated in a reasonable manner.

I am reluctant to say any more however, at risk of being branded a "bully", despite making no personal attacks against you.

I was part of no mob here, I merely requested discussion. The thread you invited me to was not relevant to my concerns.

You may think that by sticking to your guns with this article, you are beating those who raised other issues against you, however, the truth is, you are actually just shutting your eyes to the damage that can be done with topics of this nature.

That's a real bad day for a "counselling astrologer".

Who regulates counselling astrologers anyway?

Or do they make it up as they go along, and ignore the concerns of those who are actually working full-time in the field of mental health, regulated by professional bodies and supervised by consultants?

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posted September 10, 2016 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is because she is so defiant and incorrigible...and unteachable....that her astrology is poor quality.

The fact that she is emboldened by criticism to persist in her mistakes, making them even louder and more prolifically, ought to tip people off to the fact that something is seriously amiss.

So much for "peer review."

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Faith
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posted September 10, 2016 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am a leader kind of person.

Says who? Who is following you, except the people who don't really know you?

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have seen Randall go through this cuz he is a leader.

He just got stronger!


Randall occasionally admits fault and recalibrates, though.

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was not meant/created to be a follower.

Hence, if a group of people don't like me/ come against me/ try to hurt me/ mob together against me--I can't control that.


Funny, you speak of yourself like you really are the Queen and we are the disgruntled peons raging at your palace.

HILARIOUS

Yeah keep it coming....

This is good stuff.

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Delilah423
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posted September 10, 2016 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

However, they will never get me to change my core principles.



I have never seen anyone ask you to change your core principles. Certainly not in this thread.

If that is what you think people are doing, you might want to read/listen more closely.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really wish you guys and others who are old sparring partners would open a thread for discussion, just between yourselves.
The way things stand, you are just hurting each other or yourselves with the resentment carried forward, which makes me sad.

Aside from the fact it could resolve issues *properly*, if successful, it would stand as a shining example to all of us for how to manage conflict in a forum.

Maybe I am just a stupid idealist though.


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posted September 10, 2016 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

A leader cannot expect to have strong opinions and not meet with disapproval.


"I disagree" and "I disapprove" are not the same thing.

Lots of people ("leaders" or not, whatever that means) have strong opinions.

When people with differing strong opinions engage in rational discussion, they are met with different information and differing perspectives, NOT "disapproval." Sometimes they change their minds about a specific issue, sometimes they don't. Often, if both sides are motivated to solve problems and maintain communication, they reach consensus. Always they broaden their understanding of the topic, the world and the people in it.

Why do you immediately personalize a different perspective on a topic as "disapproval" of you as a person?

I truly don't get it.

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Faith
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posted September 10, 2016 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I really wish you guys and others who are old sparring partners would open a thread for discussion, just between yourselves.
The way things stand, you are just hurting each other or yourselves with the resentment carried forward, which makes me sad.

Aside from the fact it could resolve issues *properly*, if successful, it would stand as a shining example to all of us for how to manage conflict in a forum.

Maybe I am just a stupid idealist though.


You have issues with how Ami is handling this particular topic. To me it is interwoven with how she goes at every topic: with an intention to ruffle feathers. So you are seeing one particular manifestation or symptom, and addressing that, while I am looking at the whole pattern and underlying causes, and the history of manifestations that prove there is indeed a pattern. I don't think your grievance is superior to mine just because it ostensibly more on topic; I don't think you are setting a higher example than I am.

Well except that you are more intelligent and serious than me.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

there is no feeling of superiority from me, I assure you. I am surprised that you even thought that?? Baffled, actually.

I was simply trying to find an *actual* solution to resentment between members that has gone on for a long time.

Clearly, how things are currently being handled is not working. I'm trying to offer an alternative, but sure, carry on if you wish.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:

Well except that you are more intelligent and serious than me.


Oh Faith, come on.

I regard myself as no more intelligent than anyone else.

This is just silly.

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Faith
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posted September 10, 2016 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

This is just silly.

^^ No that is my honest opinion.

quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Faith,

there is no feeling of superiority from me, I assure you. I am surprised that you even thought that?? Baffled, actually.


You criticized Ami, then I did, then you said, "You guys should...." as if you are doing something much different than what I am doing. (?) I guess I don't see that difference. You are more articulate and focused on the here and now, but that doesn't mean I am fighting with Ami just because I dislike her or we are old sparring partners or whatever. It's a matter of principle for me as well as for you. You want more respect for mental health, and so do I...

And I'm saying that if Ami respected others' mental health, she wouldn't be so manipulative.

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posted September 10, 2016 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
^^ No that is my honest opinion.

Perhaps it's the curse of the internet, but it sounded sarcastic to me, and left me wondering what it is you are actually trying to say to me.

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posted September 10, 2016 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Perhaps it's the curse of the internet, but it sounded sarcastic to me, and left me wondering what it is you are actually trying to say to me.

?

Oh well. I wasn't sarcastic, I said exactly what I meant, and what I believe. Sorry if the context made that hard to grasp.

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posted September 10, 2016 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peace, Voix, I really like and respect you, just that one comment hit a little bit of a nerve.

I am taking a break from this thread and hoping it gets closed while I'm gone.

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posted September 10, 2016 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Peace, Voix, I really like and respect you, just that one comment hit a little bit of a nerve.

I am taking a break from this thread and hoping it gets closed while I'm gone.


Sure, no problem, I have a lot of respect for you also Faith.
I'm sorry if I upset you, it wasn't meant.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I really wish you guys and others who are old sparring partners would open a thread for discussion, just between yourselves.
The way things stand, you are just hurting each other or yourselves with the resentment carried forward, which makes me sad.

Aside from the fact it could resolve issues *properly*, if successful, it would stand as a shining example to all of us for how to manage conflict in a forum.

Maybe I am just a stupid idealist though.



I have a lot of respect for this post, Voix.
I misjudged you.
I am sorry.


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posted September 10, 2016 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmiqPhuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix summed up what I've been trying to say this whole time.

Everyone's taking jabs at Ami like it's open "Ami Season". Then Ami fights back. Then everyone complains about her fighting back. It's just a viscous circle.

This witch hunt method isn't working. If you have a problem with someone, open a separate discussion or privately discuss it to try to resolve. Taking jabs in public for everyone to see isn't exactly productive conflict resolution, IMO.

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posted September 10, 2016 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Voix

I know my Nessus articles hurt you, but I cannot alter truth, as I see it.

If you went to a doctor and he told you that you had a cold when you had cancer, he would not be your friend.

He would be your enemy.

It would be very easy for me to be like many astrologers who never anger anyone, but I have to be true to how I see it.

If people think I am not right, they need to walk away, not try to get me to change what I believe.

It is really ridiculous to attack me for my points of view when people can find someone else who thinks as they do.

There are people who do not agree with me.

People should find those people if what I say is hurtful.

That is how a free society functions.

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posted September 10, 2016 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can this thread please be closed?

I don`t even see any real astrology in here.


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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are ACTUALLY having a real exchange now.

I would like to keep it open as I am the OP.

Thank you.


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posted September 10, 2016 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I would prefer REAL astrology on an astrology forum though.

And I donīt see any real exchange here with you.

*shrugs* But whatever....

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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can get back to real Astrology, if you all want.

I am gonna take the best and brightest quotes from this thread and make a new article on the topic.

Feel free to add any more that you have before I do it.

I will prolly do it later.

I am going out to a steak restaurant and the health food store

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posted September 10, 2016 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think I should have a glass of wine

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