posted September 08, 2016 10:39 PM            

Suicide is like an "unreality"

Keep sharing about it as much as you can, in my opinion!

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posted September 08, 2016 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
You're very articulate about the defensiveness ... I wanted to compliment you but didn't want to be misinterpreted as "ganging up" lol. Was gonna ask if you have Virgo/Pisces influences. And then you said you have Venus in Virgo haha....

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posted September 09, 2016 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Same old, same old....

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^ This is why I didn't reply here either.

What's the bloody point?

posted September 09, 2016 12:38 AM            

That all said, there's so much bad sh*t going on in the world. The stuff online and the news everyday is just horrible. So much cruelty.

People have their opinions. As obviously evidenced in this thread. But you know what? Live and let live. I suspect some people got their blood pressure risen up from the drama here - lots of anger and bitterness for sure. For no good reason. Over someone online you don't even truly know. Hell, we don't even know each other.

I'm not perfect. Ami's not perfect. DogGang's not perfect. Maybe Electro DGX is, I don't know. Dragging out this resentment is doing no one any good and killing us slowly. You p*ssed off? Just a simple "f*ck you", move on and forget about it. That's my philosophy. People get ulcers and tumors from the kind of resentment I've seen in this thread. Again, not saying it's invalid - but it's probably hurting you the most than anyone else.

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Hahaha maybe Ami can do our synastry

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posted September 09, 2016 01:05 AM            

If it's live and let live then why are you preaching. You just don't like the fact that we express our opinions? I mean if I'm gonna write something I'm gonna be ready to receive feedback from my audience. Ami has been on LL for a long long time. Everyone here was very civil.

And if you disagree, then heed your own advice and walk away.

I personally believe that to make fun of ppl energy is not kind, and if one is to call oneself an astrologer then empathy should be especially valued.

posted September 09, 2016 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
^^^i don't see ppl being mad as much as baffled. The beginning of the thread is like a warning and yet nothing scary followed up...,

If it's live and let live then why are you preaching. You just don't like the fact that we express our opinions? I mean if I'm gonna write something I'm gonna be ready to receive feedback from my audience. Ami has been on LL for a long long time. Everyone here was very civil.

And if you disagree, then heed your own advice and walk away.

I personally believe that to make fun of ppl energy is not kind, and if one is to call oneself an astrologer then empathy should be especially valued.

If this was meant to be a fun thread, it didn't achieve that. If it's meant to rile ppl up, it didn't achieve that either. I have read much more scathing descriptions of my energy, and that's why they are funny.

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I don't have a problem with people expressing their opinion. I have a problem with people reacting like a loose cannon and just plain fighting dirty (someone brought up Ami's dead son for example). I wouldn't call much of this thread civil, there's been a steady tone of hostility here just like in your response to me above. Why so touchy? What did I do to you? Jeez. I have a problem with people dragging their drama from one thread into another.

Sure, it was supposed to be a fun thread until everyone got all bent out of shape about the intro sentence (and lots of other things unrelated to the thread). Maybe if people stopped b*tchin and actually contributed to the original intent of the thread, maybe some funny ones would have snuck in.

Ok, so I was defending Ami so you're obviously gonna be hostile towards me. But I'm not against anyone here either. Call it preaching if you want, I just don't want anyone to get a f*cking heart attack or go into depression.

But you know what, I've been trying to have an equal exchange here and listen. You can check my previous responses. But apparently maybe I'm just wasting my time. So I will follow my own advice like you said and walk away. Take care.

posted September 09, 2016 02:47 AM            

Taurus- He's with a psychologist because he's in a relationship he doesn't know how to get out of.

Gemini- She's with a psychologist because she can't figure out why she can't keep her attention on one thing.

Cancer- He's with a psychologist because he can't get away from his controlling mother.

Leo- Her mother ignored her.

posted September 09, 2016 03:00 AM            

Sagittarius- Makes jokes to cover up his insecurities.

Capricorn- Has problems not judging people.
Aquarius- Unconsciously rebels against his parents by rebelling against society.

posted September 09, 2016 06:30 AM            

you are in a position to make a huge difference, and it sounds like you're doing some really great work out there.

Many actions have effects that we do not intend, hence why we need to be discerning when dealing with serious topics IMO.

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I think this thread would have been less problematic had its premise not been to mock the issues that motivate people to go to therapy.

No matter who wrote this, the title minimises the seriousness of mental health issues. Which is something we simply have to be very careful about.
This is not about being PC, it is about creating a safe environment for people to recover.

Like I said earlier, I feel there are too many still being lost for us to be able to be lighthearted about this.

Environment is a major factor in influencing an individual's chance of recovery or survival.
Making light of mental illness does not create an environment that supports recovery.

I doubt it was Ami's intent to further polarise some of the most vulnerable in society, however the disclaimer indicates that she suspected some may say something to this effect.
A writer must be able to grab their audience, sometimes this can lead to sacrificing respect and integrity to arouse readers and keep them returning to have their buttons pushed under the illusion they are being "stimulated". One only needs to check out any tabloid newspaper.

Skirting the edge of PC or even crossing it, is fine when we are tackling obstacles to the greater good, but not simply for the purposes of shock-factor, without consideration for potential damage.

It could have been called "Personal problems of the signs", or "The signs on a bad day", or anything else that did not refer to going to therapy. But it referred to an actual treatment path for mental health, that many are currently struggling through, and that still isn't available for many who need it, or needed it before they took their life in hopelessness.

I just think some attempts at humour or satire can have the unfortunate effect of promoting stigma and ridicule, depending on the current climate.
This world has an awful lot of work to do on public attitude, and treatment access, before we can rest on our laurels and share a joke about "going to the shrink".

posted September 09, 2016 06:42 AM            

CP - I don't have a problem with you either. Actually, it's odd that I have more positive feeling toward you because of this. I'm not sure how you feel (this isn't me asking either) but I feel better, like you somewhat understand.

I guess it's like this.
Notice how earlier in the thread Ami said that we (Who would "fight" with her) have low self esteem and live "small lives". If you look carefully, she wasn't actually talking to us. She was talking about us, in front of us. She then ran away.

If you can agree that that kind of behavior is screwed up then perhaps this will make sense.

She could have warned in a different way. Saying that her thread isn't intended to offend. I'm sure it wasn't. That wasn't a problem for most, not for me. She said that "If you can't take it then get out of the kitchen". It's not that bad on face value but when combined with behavior such as that above. Yeah....
"Confrontation avoidance" yet she'll insult us, not to us, only in front of us.
She can't learn to confront if she doesn't do it. Ignoring is always the answer. Well, how can you learn to do anything without trying?
But telling me NOT to do something is many times a surefire way to get me to do it.
That's really what it is. I wasn't ever and am not angry or offended. I just get sick of her "I'll say what I want but you can't say what you want". Which, I know she didn't say "can't". She's not bold enough to, let alone had a right to. Those of us who know her, know what she means by now.

posted September 09, 2016 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think anyone was laughing about suicide, but I appreciated your comment earlier.

I didn't respond to this thread when I first saw it, because it was supposed to be a joke, but it wasn't funny to me. I knew the Aries jokes would be about how terrible we are, and how we've annoyed everyone and are all alone - well, guess what? My family troubles started due to my enacting boundaries. So I just didn't comment.

I've been suicidal for years now. I first dealt with it as a teenager, and the feelings all came rushing back as I've dealt with various things - and people telling me how awful I am for defending myself, and being angry at being targeted in the first place. For not being able to just get over things.

I need to go back to my break from the board.

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Teasel, I am sorry you have been feeling suicidal for such a long time. You may not realise it now, but to endure this feeling for years is testament to just how resilient you really are.
I hope you find a path to peace soon, certainly to live with such pain, you have earned it.

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posted September 09, 2016 07:34 AM            

You wanted to help your guitar student when he was bullied.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRODUCTIVE and GOOD LIVES DO NOT BULLY.

They are too busy feeling good and doing good!

There are a small number of people on LL who go around bullying people.

I invited a friend on and he got bullied off LL in half a day.

No one knew him. He just stated a thread and asked his question.

He was so upset that he said he would never come back here.

If you watch LL, you will see the bullying you saw on here at me done to other people, often and usually, newcomers

It is DISGUSTING.

I am not bullied. I never was. Pluto conjunct Dejanira.

I see bullies as cowards and small people, just like one of the bullies on here who was bullied OFF here and needed help, which I gave lol

Anyway, I don't get bullied, so you all are wasting your breath.

Do something nice for someone today.

Peace

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posted September 09, 2016 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There are a small number of people on LL who go around bullying people.

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We all have our own eyes and can verify this is simply untrue. Randall would have banned them.

You are paying CP back for his defense of you, by feeding him lies.

posted September 09, 2016 07:41 AM            

What a joke you are.

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posted September 09, 2016 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
And this drama is really going overboard and just plain petty, IMO. Not saying anyone's feelings are invalid. But you can imagine how farfetched and distorted this all seems to me, as a casual/semi-regular here. Maybe it is just a little bit.

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posted September 09, 2016 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
^ This is why I didn't reply here either.

What's the bloody point?

But, also.. Hoping that with Jupiter moving into Libra, things will look up for inter-personal relations on here.

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Hi Elysia

In a way there is no point, no solution, just crossfire. LOL

posted September 09, 2016 07:48 AM            

Move on

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posted September 09, 2016 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU even told they guy he should not run away if he was treated badly, Faith lol

What a joke you are.

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See, calling someone a joke is so unkind. You can play sweetheart all you want, but that is a vicious comment.

posted September 09, 2016 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, Faith

Move on

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Take a hike, Ami!

posted September 09, 2016 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU even told they guy he should not run away if he was treated badly, Faith lol

What a joke you are.

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posted September 09, 2016 07:54 AM            

Plus, it is misleading to isolate a disagreement from its context, and frame it as a "ganging up" - this is a classic defence mechanism.

If there is ongoing bad feeling between members on LL, then there is a bigger picture of dynamics that needs to be considered, however, even if there is bad feeling between members, I am absolutely against any form of bullying also.

I cannot speak for others, but my personal intent here was to highlight the dangers of trivialising certain topics through humour.

Not one client I have worked with has displayed any humour with regards to their mental health issues. Not. One.

------------ I take my lead from the clients, as ultimately, it is *their* decision whether to laugh at themselves or not.
That is not for us to decide for them, it carries too high a risk of them feeling mocked, segregated, and funnily enough, bullied, by the society that has a duty of care to support them.

I do not agree with seeing a disagreeable thread as an opportunity to bash anyone for past issues - I believe these should be handled directly, in a designated space and time for people to actually solve the problems between them.

But, that requires all parties to be open to seeking understanding, and not just "winning".

posted September 09, 2016 07:56 AM            

You say that Faith "is a joke"

Then tell her to "move on".

posted September 09, 2016 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Elysia

In a way there is no point, no solution, just crossfire. LOL

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How have you been, Faith? Is everything ok with you?

Yeah, I understand. We feel the need to *warn* people. Or simply cannot stand it anymore. I have those moments too, but I try to avoid getting in that headspace.

posted September 09, 2016 08:10 AM            

Why doesn't someone start a discussion thread to civilly air issues with whatever member they are struggling to get along with?

To avoid anyone feeling ganged up on, others should have the respect to stay out of the thread and let the two people hold an equal discussion.

The thread titles could simply state "Discussion between (username) and (username)" - this makes it clear this is a read-only thread for anyone not named in the title.

Anyone want to try?

Would be good to have a "Problem-Solving Forum", with rules that protect against bullying, personal attacks and mobbing.

This would not only help keep issues out of other threads, but it would also set the grounds for understanding and actually resolving issues, instead of pretending the elephant is not in the room.