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Liliya
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posted September 10, 2016 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you think I should have a glass of wine


This thread is ridiculous. I don't know what's going on anymore

I think we all need some wine at this stage haha


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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which sign needs a drink?

Any sign that is in this thread

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to clarify that I meant *everyone* in this thread, including Ami and those who supported her, as well as those who opposed, would perhaps benefit from direct discussion in designated threads.

I know I would have benefited from doing this in the past as opposed to just fighting with people, and I regularly have to remind myself of this still.

I was in fact being bullied at work recently, and had to really reign myself in and force myself to find a solution under very oppressive conditions.
- Perhaps this is why I am so inspired by direct, fair discussion.
-- The worst that can happen is that one person does not have an argument and is just fighting to discharge, the best that can happen is that both sides hear the other side, and develop some understanding, from there there can be co-operation, even if it's not agreement.

I'm on no side of any argument against anyone in particular, I just care about the community's health, as pompous as that may sound.

I'm on the side of trying to solve the problems properly, sometimes that means we have to let go of right and wrong and just listen to each other.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
@Voix

I know my Nessus articles hurt you, but I cannot alter truth, as I see it.

If you went to a doctor and he told you that you had a cold when you had cancer, he would not be your friend.

He would be your enemy.

It would be very easy for me to be like many astrologers who never anger anyone, but I have to be true to how I see it.

If people think I am not right, they need to walk away, not try to get me to change what I believe.

It is really ridiculous to attack me for my points of view when people can find someone else who thinks as they do.

There are people who do not agree with me.

People should find those people if what I say is hurtful.

That is how a free society functions.


Ami,

I will never believe in fatalism, I have seen too much grey in life to believe it is black and white.

The best teachers learned from their students, and encouraged their students to explore concepts freely and ask questions, and discuss, discuss, discuss.

The problem with a POV is that it is just that - a POV. Not truth.

We are all seeking the truth in some form, as soon as we think we have found it, we shut down to new information.

Natal astrology is the study of psychology, essentially. Humans are too dynamic, adaptable and creative to ever be crushed by a static interpretation of their chart.

You know how I feel about your interpretation of Nessus, and it stands. The many responses to the thread I made inviting people to explore Nessus proves that there are other experienced astrologers who also perceive more than black and white.

The sad thing is that fatalistic interpretations sap the breath and colour out of astrology and out of the person.
We lose the vibrancy of experience, it no longer matches what life FEELS like, so how can we say it is true, when it conflicts with experience?

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posted September 10, 2016 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Yep. I immediately thought the same but, oh well. I really think it was empty insults. Something to throw in the water and see if someone would bite it.

Yeah, the insults themselves hold no weight. Pretty lame ones, too.

But that utter lack of engagement is what gets my goat.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 10, 2016 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I have a lot of respect for this post, Voix.
I misjudged you.
I am sorry.


Sure, no problem, it happens.

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Elysia
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posted September 10, 2016 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
It is because she is so defiant and incorrigible...and unteachable....that her astrology is poor quality.

The fact that she is emboldened by criticism to persist in her mistakes, making them even louder and more prolifically, ought to tip people off to the fact that something is seriously amiss.

So much for "peer review."


Yeah, that's the thing.. With someone so entrenched in their ways - at this point it's near impossible to get any sort of acknowledgment or change.

Maybe if we'd met her like twenty years ago, we'd be able to get through to her?

Ami,
Geminis are known for their flexibility and willingness to adopt or at least entertain a different point of view. These people are actually being nice enough to you by calling it out to you. "Getting into it", as Dop put it.
Let me tell you, in real life - not many people get that chance. If they are perceived as different or wrong in any way, people don't hesitate to drop you like a hot cake. People simply move on, and ignore - like you are doing to us. Here people are, for whatever reason, actually trying to talk to you about these things! Whereas I, slightly more cynical, see them as things that are hard to be fixed at this stage.

Why won't you at least listen? Spend more than a few seconds of thought on this? Glossing over this will only leave the door wide open for all subsequent such situations. We'll all go round in circles, saying the same things over and over.

And yes, we understand having principles. But when those principles don't allow for any other reality, they become "dogma", not principle.

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Elysia
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posted September 10, 2016 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I really wish you guys and others who are old sparring partners would open a thread for discussion, just between yourselves.
The way things stand, you are just hurting each other or yourselves with the resentment carried forward, which makes me sad.

Aside from the fact it could resolve issues *properly*, if successful, it would stand as a shining example to all of us for how to manage conflict in a forum.

Maybe I am just a stupid idealist though.


I get what you're saying. But it's "conflict" when both are parties on a somewhat level playing field. When people have a disagreement.

How are you going to resolve a matter of someone's whole belief system?

^That's neither a conflict nor even up to us to resolve.

If someone thinks all people of a particular religion are sub-human, filthy creatures; if someone thinks homosexuality is "wrong", or that it's a "choice" because the Bible says so. If someone repeats these things ad-nauseum as utter, incontestable truth - over a period of *years* :: is a dialogue discussing and getting into the psycho-social dynamics of that possible in an online forum?

Such basic, basic humanity - how are you going to even begin to address that?

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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2016 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The sad thing is that fatalistic interpretations sap the breath and colour out of astrology and out of the person.

I 1000000000% disagree, Voix.

I believe in Psych systems like Primal Therapy, in which people accept themselves from the core and SEE themselves at the core.

I believe that one must look at all one's warts and one's beauty to be HEALTHY.

Hence, I am strong about the charts but it is out of love and I have helped many, many people.

It is not that I am so great.

It is something that I believe in, am called for and do out of love and service to God and people.

We will have to agree to disagree, Voix.

That is what people do when they see things differently.

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Elysia
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posted September 10, 2016 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Peace, Voix, I really like and respect you, just that one comment hit a little bit of a nerve.

I am taking a break from this thread and hoping it gets closed while I'm gone.


No, Faith.. Come baaaaaaaaaaaaack.

I wanna talk to you!
Might be needing some Cappy advice.

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posted September 10, 2016 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Voix summed up what I've been trying to say this whole time.

Everyone's taking jabs at Ami like it's open "Ami Season". Then Ami fights back. Then everyone complains about her fighting back. It's just a viscous circle.

This witch hunt method isn't working. If you have a problem with someone, open a separate discussion or privately discuss it to try to resolve. Taking jabs in public for everyone to see isn't exactly productive conflict resolution, IMO.


Ami has "been around for 7 years" or more. She's "learned a lot in that time."
One thing she's "learned is to just IGNORE."

She'll be just fine.


Truth be told. This has happened before, it'll happen again. I'm convinced that it will never have resolution. It's merely a stored energy. Much like the fault line that causes earth quakes or the building pressure of the volcano. Once in a while, it (the energy) just has to let go. It'll pass and will be back to normal.
Those that insist to come to her aid or to point out how immature or unproductive this is are really wasting their time. I don't mean any of this in a harsh manner whatsoever. I really don't. It's just the truth. It won't end until Randall or lalalinda closes it.
But it'll be back again at a later time.

That's the cycle.

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soren
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posted September 10, 2016 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we are really talking to a reflection of ourselves. Ami IS us. because everything is connected. maybe my set of particles is a bit more condesned, but we are all the universe, and in a truth i am Ami

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posted September 10, 2016 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what everything is the a great ethereal fog and it is ONE existence one thing

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posted September 10, 2016 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:

That's the cycle.

That`s what I observed, too.

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posted September 10, 2016 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Truth be told. This has happened before, it'll happen again. I'm convinced that it will never have resolution. It's merely a stored energy. Much like the fault line that causes earth quakes or the building pressure of the volcano. Once in a while, it (the energy) just has to let go. It'll pass and will be back to normal.
Those that insist to come to her aid or to point out how immature or unproductive this is are really wasting their time. I don't mean any of this in a harsh manner whatsoever. I really don't. It's just the truth. It won't end until Randall or lalalinda closes it.
But it'll be back again at a later time.

That's the cycle.


Exactly.

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posted September 10, 2016 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
what everything is the a great ethereal fog and it is ONE existence one thing

in a sense there is no "I" and we are all a reflection of the same fog

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posted September 10, 2016 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:

Truth be told. This has happened before, it'll happen again. I'm convinced that it will never have resolution. It's merely a stored energy. Much like the fault line that causes earth quakes or the building pressure of the volcano. Once in a while, it (the energy) just has to let go. It'll pass and will be back to normal...
But it'll be back again at a later time...

That's the cycle.



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posted September 10, 2016 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no clue what this falls under but what drives me up the wall in others is indecision.

I cannot stand it.

" I want this , but no maybe I want this, but no, I don't know."

Cringe worthy.

Is this Gemini like ?

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posted September 10, 2016 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
We got some great responses to the thread title. I am gonna make a new article

"What Drives Each Sign to the Shrink" With the Help of my LL Friends.

I am gonna put in some of the great quotes from your posts.

If anyone does not want me to use theirs, let me know.

If not, I will put it all together and stick the new article back up!

Thank you all for the amazing contribitions


I would prefer that you not use my responses. As I mentioned before, I value my sense of privacy and therefore regularly remove my replies on here. I ask that you respect that by not using my responses.

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posted September 10, 2016 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Ami's fire and energy, even if I don't agree with her view fully!

Ami, aren't you an Aries? I think my Sagittarius and Mars in Aries likes that.

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posted September 10, 2016 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Voix summed up what I've been trying to say this whole time.

Everyone's taking jabs at Ami like it's open "Ami Season". Then Ami fights back. Then everyone complains about her fighting back. It's just a viscous circle.

This witch hunt method isn't working. If you have a problem with someone, open a separate discussion or privately discuss it to try to resolve. Taking jabs in public for everyone to see isn't exactly productive conflict resolution, IMO.


Seriously... I thought this was going to be full of lighthearted entertaining posts.. But 12 pages of petty insults about Ami?? ? Lol wow

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posted September 10, 2016 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^
And that can be considered an insult to the rest of us. (That we're somehow below you) Welcome to the fun!

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posted September 10, 2016 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Novabronte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I am a leader kind of person.
A leader cannot expect to have strong opinions and not meet with disapproval.
I was not meant/created to be a follower.
Hence, if a group of people don't like me/ come against me/ try to hurt me/ mob together against me--I can't control that.
However, they will never get me to change my core principles.


There is a fine line between a leader and a fool. And it is called an ego.

I spent over 20 years in business and I can assure you that the most important skill of a leader is listening.
Next after this is the ability to admit failure and to take corrective action.

All the personal comments and critique of your astrology work aside, if you just focused on the original first post of this thread and acknowledged that the intro was really not appropriate because it changed the tone of the joke, then you would have saved your face and this whole messed up drama of a thread would died long time ago. That's problem solving 101.

And this has nothing to do with principles.

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posted September 10, 2016 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Seriously... I thought this was going to be full of lighthearted entertaining posts.. But 12 pages of petty insults about Ami?? ? Lol wow

Well they're neither petty nor insults, just stating what goes on here.

I don't know how long you've been here, but there's a lot of history behind this. Forget about history, if you only read the thread, you'll realize we're talking about a *tendency*, nothing else.

What about calling Faith a "joke"? And various other snide comments. Not that anyone took them seriously, but still - ain't particularly nice either.

We all like to play with zodiac stereotypes for humour - Faith does it especially well, if you've seen any of her threads. So does Electro, in fact! But the thing about playing with sterotypes is -- it should be a *distillation*, not a reduction.

Anyway, none of the people who spoke intended to "insult" Ami - it just became hostile because she would not listen/comprehend/respond. Like you send someone a heartfelt, handwritten letter about all the ways you love them and think they're wonderful.
And you get a text back, "K".

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posted September 10, 2016 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Seriously... I thought this was going to be full of lighthearted entertaining posts..

^ 😂 I thought the same.

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