posted September 09, 2016 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Mercury conjunct mars, Virgo, 12th for me.
From what I'm gathering with responses, here, other threads, "real life", everywhere.
It's like my words have perceived "bite". Something like that.
Very fiery, critical, foggy communication.

Maybe I'm off. I'm just going off of what is the typical response to things I say. I seem to be somewhat unaware of how I'm coming across, or how others are taking me.
Like if I send out a signal that's the number 1. The feedback that I get is the number 3. Well number 2 must be the blank part that I'm not seeing.
That's kind of how this Virgo/piscean mix seems to operate. Not quite fully intuition, not quite fully logic. A bit of both.

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Same here! Or similar.

I think I'm being rather self-contained and moderate, but the feedback says otherwise.

Maybe it's a case where people can sense the further extremes of my energy and react to that instead of what I actually said.

posted September 09, 2016 09:42 AM            

Have a nice day, everyone.

posted September 09, 2016 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well I guess...that's all I have to say about that.

Have a nice day, everyone.

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posted September 09, 2016 09:54 AM            

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posted September 09, 2016 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
... a book or something with links to other threads with descriptions and etc. No one wants to read that. Funny though that it would be fun for me. I love research, I love "building a case." It's fun for me.

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posted September 09, 2016 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

@Elysia - Perfectly said, as usual. I'm doing well and hope you are, too?

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posted September 09, 2016 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
CP - I don't have a problem with you either. Actually, it's odd that I have more positive feeling toward you because of this. I'm not sure how you feel (this isn't me asking either) but I feel better, like you somewhat understand.

I guess it's like this.
Notice how earlier in the thread Ami said that we (Who would "fight" with her) have low self esteem and live "small lives". If you look carefully, she wasn't actually talking to us. She was talking about us, in front of us. She then ran away.

If you can agree that that kind of behavior is screwed up then perhaps this will make sense.

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DopGang, I have no ill will towards you. We're ok.

Yes, taken out of context, the insults and calling Faith a joke is screwed up. In simple terms, she was being cornered in this thread, will you at least agree with me on that? Maybe you think the term "ganging up" or "bullying" is an exaggeration, but she basically had a bunch of people dumping their emotional baggage on her all at once, in a thread meant for something unrelated - correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course she's gonna get defensive. Not saying it's right, but what would you do if you were being cornered? You got this guy bringing up your dead son, you got another basically saying you're a b*tch, you got another saying you're not welcome here, and so on. How do you expect anyone to stay composed and have a mature conversation put in that position? If it was me, maybe I would have kept my cool a little longer, but I'd most likely want to fight back too eventually. Maybe you didn't necessarily say any of those things, but once you got 4-5+ people coming at you, it's hard to keep track.

I am not downplaying any of your reasons for feeling the way you do about Ami. I don't know what went down in past threads, I don't have the time or interest to go look them up. But coming onto unrelated threads and duking it out is not gonna resolve anything - as evidenced here. Apparently, this isn't the first time either. So every time this happens, it just gets worse and the root problems get clouded more with the procedure.

If you guys really want to resolve anything, why not start a separate thread just for the 2 of you and make it an equal playing ground? Or email her privately and talk things out. Both parties have to feel safe if you're gonna fix anything. On the other hand, holding it in and sweeping it under the rug isn't gonna do anything either - it turns to resentment. No matter how legit your problems are, I just don't think throwing things in her face in random threads is gonna fix anything.

Maybe you guys think I'm naive, but that's my perspective from the outside looking in - unattached to the drama.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I do not agree with seeing a disagreeable thread as an opportunity to bash anyone for past issues - I believe these should be handled directly, in a designated space and time for people to actually solve the problems between them.

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Most sensible thing I've read in this thread so far.

posted September 09, 2016 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Let's get back to the subject matter

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Ami, I am a bit disappointed that you did not respond to the highlighted risks posed by trivialising the topic of seeking therapy.

I was not bullying or bashing you, but appealing for you to consider the other perspective and the dangers associated with this for our brothers and sisters who are struggling.

You leave me to assume that your needs as a writer override your good sense and concern for fighting stigma.

If you want truth, look at the stats for suicide.

Why do you think so many feel they cannot admit they are struggling or ask for help until they are in full blown crisis or dead?

Because they are afraid of being invalidated, disbelieved, ridiculed or ostracised.

I'll just say it: this topic is inappropriate and promotes stigma. Intended or not intended.

posted September 09, 2016 11:47 AM            

Ok, I got this.

First, let me say that I apologize to you Ami, that we appear to be ganging up or bullying you. I speak for myself and I feel comfortable speaking for most others involved that it was none of our intents to bully or gang up on you. I certainly can see how that looks and how that conclusion was reached. There is a twist though and I'm getting to that. I'm apologizing for the misunderstood intentions.

No one has to take my word for it right now. Any of you can just stick it somewhere in the back of your mind to spot it when you come across it. Those of us who are in here as "bullies" have already seen this.
If you pay careful attention to it then you will notice that with Ami. Nothing is ever her fault. Not 100% or even .5%. Nothing. She'll not apologize. Have you seen her make any attempt whatsoever to clear up a misunderstanding here? Have you seen her apologize for ANYTHING? Have you seen her even put in a minuscule amount of effort to reason with any of us? (CP has, Electro has, other have) She really is a self-proclaimed victim. Again, no one need take my word for it. Just watch for it when you see her around. It's always someone else's fault. Things happen to her, always. People do things to her, always. She'll never fess up that she could possibly have done anything wrong. She'll never fess up that she could have created a misunderstanding either intentionally or unintentionally. There is ZERO responsibility on her part for anything. She thanks those her praise her and for those that don't, insults. She'll hurl insults and insist that you must be the problem.
"You are a bully"... "You bullied this member off the board." We live "small lives". We "have low self-esteem". Yet, I don't recall (unless I missed it) where any of us have done anything except to be a bit harsh on her behavior.

To drive this thing into the "heart of it all". We (the "bullies") do what we do because we simply want her to even acknowledge that she could POSSIBLY make a mistake or say something that causes misunderstanding, or that she plays any role whatsoever in these things that always happen to her. That's all. That's all that we want. We want her to put in an ounce of effort to clear up misunderstandings, not just this once because we pressure her to, which I doubt she even would. Just an ounce of effort to apologize to someone. Just an ounce of effort to acknowledge that she's not always a victim of someone else. You know? If you pay attention, you'll never see it. It's always someone else.

So some of us put the pressure on. We want one glimmer of hope that she'll be able to do that. We don't mean to be mean or to gang up on her. It gets frustrating. We want her to take some responsibility for herself because she won't do it. You accept her as is or it must be something wrong with you.

posted September 09, 2016 12:05 PM            

You can talk whatever sorry crap you want, but you are trying to bully me.

It is not up to me to change for you.

That is mental health 101.

People don't need to change to make you happy.

If you don't like me, don't read.

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posted September 09, 2016 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Look Dop et al

You can talk whatever sorry crap you want, but you are trying to bully me.

It is not up to me to change for you.

That is mental health 101.

People don't need to change to make you happy.

If you don't like me, don't read.

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Thank you for proving my point.
If you don't like me, don't read. Easy. If you don't like what I have to say to you, don't read it. "Just ignore", right? You're not ignoring very well.

See? It's ME doing something TO her. She can't possibly even attempt to reason to reach a middle ground. It's 100% MY fault. She is little miss perfect.
She completely bypasses the insults that she's thrown around in this thread. No no. There's nothing wrong with it when SHE does it.

posted September 09, 2016 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Look Dop et al

You can talk whatever sorry crap you want, but you are trying to bully me.

It is not up to me to change for you.

That is mental health 101.

People don't need to change to make you happy.

If you don't like me, don't read.

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Ami,

I assume since you mentioned mental health in your thread that you are referring in part to my posts.

There isn't one shred of evidence of bullying behaviour toward you from me to support that generalisation.

You speak of standing up for others when you feel they are being bullied, I speak of standing up for those who are vulnerable and marginalised for their mental health issues.

I have only referred to the thread. If I were overly concerned about past issues I would have invited you to a discussion elsewhere about them.

I understand there have been a lot of responses on this thread, and perhaps you do not have time to address them all individually, but I absolutely refute having bullied you in any shape or form.

I could take that as a personal attack if I wished, but I am stronger than that and can rise above it.

posted September 09, 2016 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
As for sensitivity to mental illness, and having the ability to laugh about it, I see it both ways.

Those who know the seriousness of it might be able to make their own jokes and talk amongst themselves, using humor in a bonding type way. Those who don't should be careful they aren't being callous and mocking people's pain without knowing it.

That's how I feel about childbirth. If you have DONE it, and done it the hard way and suffered...okay, we can laugh about it together now. If you haven't, do not laugh at it....you have no idea what you're even talking about.

It's as funny as laughing at a war vet whose leg was blown off. (And again, amongst war vets, they might have their private humor about it, but to outsiders, respect for the pain and loss ought to be shown before laughter.)

Right, Mercury Rx conjunct Jupiter.

Took a break from LL and need another one already. But I guess I've said my peace.

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Actually mars is out of bounds conjunct moon squaring mercury Rx more tightly than mercury conjunct Jupiter, I think that is why everyone is been so aggressive in their communication in my humble opinion.

The intention of this thread was never to laugh at the PAIN of mental illness and am surprised anybody would take it that way bc I don't think anyone thinks the pain of mental illness is funny or would laugh at that and I don't think anybody here has laughed at that in that context or angle. I am thinking that mars oob squaring mercury Rx is making people interpret things from an aggressive negative angle but Jupiter conjunct mercury was just trying to have some light harmless fun. I would also say that mars squaring mercury is making people want to start fights.

posted September 09, 2016 12:35 PM            

Your mouth is your weapon and you’re poised and ready to do verbal battle. Being right is very important to you and you’ll find yourself arguing over trivial matters. You need to practice your listening skills and really hear what others are saying, rather than immediately relating everything to you and reacting defensively to harmless comments. Of course, others may actually be trying to provoke you and if you truly need to defend your position, then you should hold your ground. Just remember to choose your battles carefully, as you’ll have to deal with the fallout tomorrow when things have settled down. Be very careful of your hands and fingers when handling machinery, tools, fire or weapons, even your kitchen knife.

Then you add that mars is out of bounds none the less and mercury Rx is conjuncting Jupiter and we have a complete disaster. God even this situation is making us learn some important things about astrology.

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posted September 09, 2016 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Transit Mercury Square Mars

Your mouth is your weapon and you’re poised and ready to do verbal battle. Being right is very important to you and you’ll find yourself arguing over trivial matters. You need to practice your listening skills and really hear what others are saying, rather than immediately relating everything to you and reacting defensively to harmless comments. Of course, others may actually be trying to provoke you and if you truly need to defend your position, then you should hold your ground. Just remember to choose your battles carefully, as you’ll have to deal with the fallout tomorrow when things have settled down. Be very careful of your hands and fingers when handling machinery, tools, fire or weapons, even your kitchen knife.

Then you add that mars is out of bounds on the galactic center none the less and mercury Rx is conjuncting Jupiter and we have a complete disaster. God even this situation is making us learn some important things about astrology.

And since I have mercury Rx natally and right now have a sun conjunct mercury double whammy I am just like wth is happening?...but is the transits I mentioned clearly.

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There's a few things that natally apply to me. Not that exact configuration but similar energies perhaps?

Mars less than a degree from Asc.
Mercury conjunct mars (and also asc)
Jupiter trine those. Jupiter also makes contact with moon and sun.
There's other things.

posted September 09, 2016 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
As for sensitivity to mental illness, and having the ability to laugh about it, I see it both ways.

Those who know the seriousness of it might be able to make their own jokes and talk amongst themselves, using humor in a bonding type way. Those who don't should be careful they aren't being callous and mocking people's pain without knowing it.

That's how I feel about childbirth. If you have DONE it, and done it the hard way and suffered...okay, we can laugh about it together now. If you haven't, do not laugh at it....you have no idea what you're even talking about.

It's as funny as laughing at a war vet whose leg was blown off. (And again, amongst war vets, they might have their private humor about it, but to outsiders, respect for the pain and loss ought to be shown before laughter.)

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posted September 09, 2016 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Actually mars is out of bounds on the galactic center squaring mercury Rx more tightly than mercury conjunct Jupiter, I think that is why everyone is been so aggressive in their communication in my humble opinion.

The intention of this thread was never to laugh at the PAIN of mental illness and am surprised anybody would take it that way bc I don't think anyone thinks the pain of mental illness is funny or would laugh at that and I don't think anybody here has laughed at that in that context or angle. I am thinking that mars oob squaring mercury Rx is making people interpret things from an aggressive negative angle but Jupiter conjunct mercury was just trying to have some light harmless fun. I would also say that mars oob squaring mercury is making people want to start fights specially since mars is in the galactic center.

That is my opinion.

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Excellent analysis, thank you.

But I do see what StubbornVirgo is saying...maybe it's better to listen to content rather than looking for ways to reduce its significance.

So, a question...was I "bullying"?

I said Ami is passive aggressive, loves starting conflict that revolves around her, and is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I stand by all those statements 100% and would not change them.

Often, people who present these qualities are banned, so we don't have to discuss how they impact the forum. It's taken care of for us.

For instance, Ami makes Islamophobic remarks that would probably have her banned from other forums, or at least warned. She has also made homophobic comments and sexist comments against women. She is not censored by the webmaster for this, quite the contrary she gets mostly encouragement, which leaves people scratching their heads about how this forum can be what it is: both progressive and backwards.

It falls on the people to try and do damage control or just let the damage prevail and hurt people haphazardly. As for me, as I said, my sympathy is for those who haven't had fair warning. And to warn them, I must name the problem. I don't consider it bullying.

Like Ami said, a spade is a spade.

And if she really minded what is happening here, she could have blown the whistle and gotten the thread closed long before this. But she thrives on negative attention and gets what she seeks.

That's the fundamental misunderstanding, as I see it.

Some people think she doesn't want this to happen. Whereas I believe that this is the epitome of Ami's main reason for being at this site, and it meets her criteria for a successful thread: one where people are divided against each other, and some defend and others accuse.

She polarizes, that's her deal.

posted September 09, 2016 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Not saying it's right, but what would you do if you were being cornered? You got this guy bringing up your dead son, you got another basically saying you're a b*tch, you got another saying you're not welcome here, and so on. How do you expect anyone to stay composed and have a mature conversation put in that position?

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"Another saying you're not welcome here."

Ami told me to move on.

Issued a command like she is the boss and I'm her slave.

So I issued a command in reply, in equal measure: "Hey, you. Slave. Move along."

Normally I never address people that way. I was just mocking her attitude.