posted March 09, 2014 05:38 PM            

Simply placing a law into effect and attaching an absurd punishment to it has nothing to do with improving society or maintaining the safety and welfare of citizens.

posted March 09, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
There is a reason that laws change accordingly, as society progresses. I'm sure that I don't need to go into detail about asinine laws that are no longer in effect because they were pointless and actually detrimental to society.
Segregation, abolition, the fact that women could not vote and owning slaves was legal...you get the point.

Simply placing a law into effect and attaching an absurd punishment to it has nothing to do with improving society or maintaining the safety and welfare of citizens.

Sorry if you don't agree, but that's my belief. And yes, there are enormous profits to be made by keeping our prison population as high as it is. But it's not a profit that any of us are ever going to see.

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posted March 09, 2014 06:38 PM            

I'm talking about criminal activity. Narcotics use and trafficking are both serious crimes. They endanger the well being of the public. A drug user is a menace to society. A drug trafficker is public enemy. In my book, take them all down.

I have my 4th Amendment and 6th Amendment rights violated all the time. He'll, every time I exercise my 5th Amendment rights, some bigoted cop wants to clobber my face. Let's not intertwine incompetent law enforcement and a corrupt judiciary with the laws of the land. Having idiot bozos with guns and badges doesn't give one any rights to break the law, except in pure self defense.

posted March 09, 2014 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
When I'm stopped for speeding, I accept the ticket. Who's in the wrong ? I am. I accept the consequences. Less than 30 mph above the speed limit and it's a civil charge. It's not a crime. Last time I checked, Jaywalking is also a civil offense. No, I've never been stopped for Jaywalking , but when one does, it's for one's good and it's for public safety.

I'm talking about criminal activity. Narcotics use and trafficking are both serious crimes. They endanger the well being of the public. A drug user is a menace to society. A drug trafficker is public enemy. In my book, take them all down.

I have my 4th Amendment and 6th Amendment rights violated all the time. He'll, every time I exercise my 5th Amendment rights, some bigoted cop wants to clobber my face. Let's not intertwine incompetent law enforcement and a corrupt judiciary with the laws of the land. Having idiot bozos with guns and badges doesn't give one any rights to break the law, except in pure self defense.

BTW, law enforcement can legally raid homes without warrants under exigent circumstances. Federal law allows exigency raids where weapons are commingled with narcotics. America isn't the Netherlands.

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posted March 09, 2014 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Drug dealers are just as bad if not worse than the murderers and rapists

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Holy crap, do you actually think about your assertions before you post or just post "whatever sounds good" at the moment?

So in a choice of someone killing you, raping you, or offering to sell you some weed, you'd choose to be raped or murdered first?

posted March 09, 2014 11:14 PM            

Crime and Punishment

"Then one of the judges of the city stood forth and said, 'Speak to us of Crime and Punishment.'
And he answered saying:

It is when your spirit goes wandering upon the wind,
That you, alone and unguarded, commit a wrong unto others and therefore unto yourself.
And for that wrong committed must you knock and wait a while unheeded at the gate of the blessed.

Like the ocean is your god-self;
It remains for ever undefiled.
And like the ether it lifts but the winged.
Even like the sun is your god-self;
It knows not the ways of the mole nor seeks it the holes of the serpent.

But your god-self does not dwell alone in your being.
Much in you is still man, and much in you is not yet man,
But a shapeless pygmy that walks asleep in the mist searching for its own awakening.

And of the man in you would I now speak.
For it is he and not your god-self nor the pygmy in the mist, that knows crime and the punishment of crime.

Oftentimes have I heard you speak of one who commits a wrong as though he were not one of you, but a stranger unto you and an intruder upon your world.

But I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you,
So the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.

And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree,
So the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all.

Like a procession you walk together towards your god-self.
You are the way and the wayfarers.
And when one of you falls down he falls for those behind him, a caution against the stumbling stone.

Ay, and he falls for those ahead of him, who though faster and surer of foot, yet removed not the stumbling stone.
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For they stand together before the face of the sun even as the black thread and the white are woven together.
And when the black thread breaks, the weaver shall look into the whole cloth, and he shall examine the loom also.

If any of you would bring judgment the unfaithful wife,
Let him also weight the heart of her husband in scales, and measure his soul with measurements.

And let him who would lash the offender look unto the spirit of the offended.

And if any of you would punish in the name of righteousness and lay the axe unto the evil tree, let him see to its roots;
And verily he will find the roots of the good and the bad, the fruitful and the fruitless, all entwined together in the silent heart of the earth.

And you judges who would be just,
What judgment pronounce you upon him who though honest in the flesh yet is a thief in spirit?

What penalty lay you upon him who slays in the flesh yet is himself slain in the spirit?
And how prosecute you him who in action is a deceiver and an oppressor,
Yet who also is aggrieved and outraged?

And how shall you punish those whose remorse is already greater than their misdeeds?

Is not remorse the justice which is administered by that very law which you would fain serve?

Yet you cannot lay remorse upon the innocent nor lift it from the heart of the guilty.
Unbidden shall it call in the night, that men may wake and gaze upon themselves.

And you who would understand justice, how shall you unless you look upon all deeds in the fullness of light?

Only then shall you know that the erect and the fallen are but one man standing in twilight between the night of his pygmy-self and the day of his god-self,

posted March 10, 2014 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Holy crap, do you actually think about your assertions before you post or just post "whatever sounds good" at the moment?

So in a choice of someone killing you, raping you, or offering to sell you some weed, you'd choose to be raped or murdered first?

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posted March 10, 2014 12:16 AM            

No offense, I like you. I know that you're not a bad person. I disagree with people here all the time, but I agree with them on other things.

posted March 10, 2014 12:16 AM            

Law enforcement has also lost lives investigating and/or making arrests for drug related crimes.

Drugs are also responsible for overdose deaths. We just saw a phone video today of a mom messed up on heroin and the daughter trying to hold her mom up while riding on a train.
If you watch cops you will see homeless and such that are homeless, are prostitutes because of their drug problem.
Yes, SOME rapes occur due to the rapist being on drugs or as we know drugs used to make easier rape victims.

Certainly I wouldn't sit here and say they are the cause of everything but they play a massive role and casual users don't understand who, ultimately they are supporting.

posted March 10, 2014 12:24 AM            

As far as I'm aware, serial killers and rapists don't have a longstanding history of substance abuse (for example).

posted March 10, 2014 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Obviously some of you are drug users who are gonna defend it to the death. Good luck don't get caught is all I have to say.

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I am not a drug user. However, I was a drug user for many years. Hence I know of what I speak.

posted March 10, 2014 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Many casual drug users understand who they're supporting. Just like driving a car. Who are we supporting when we do that?

As far as I'm aware, serial killers and rapists don't have a longstanding history of substance abuse (for example).

And, as far as I'm aware, violent crimes exist with or without drug involvement. That appears to be a historical fact, if I'm not mistaken. Pretty sure the Vikings weren't on drugs.

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No. You understand who LOCALLY who you are supporting but follow the trail back to its source.
Or maybe you know of someone who grows/makes their own but the problem is still huge. Watch the news. Heck it's happened near my house.

Deny deny deny...

I will stand by what I said to the death because I know... Unquestionably that it is truth. So we can argue/debate this but I promise I won't budge an inch.

posted March 10, 2014 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I am not a drug user. However, I was a drug user for many years. Hence I know of what I speak.

Also, making the assumption that we're all drug users simply because we disagree with you is a rather, um..."brash" assumption.

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posted March 10, 2014 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Think of how many murders are caused because of drugs/money. We here about the odd murder/suicide stuff but drug related murders are SO commonplace that they get a scoff from the general public and we move on.

Law enforcement has also lost lives investigating and/or making arrests for drug related crimes.

Drugs are also responsible for overdose deaths. What just saw a phone video of a mom messed up on heroin and the daughter trying to hold her mom up while riding on a train.
If you watch cops you will see homeless and such that are homeless, are prostitutes because of their drug problem.
Yes, SOME rapes occur due to the rapist being on drugs or as we know drugs used to make easier rape victims.

Certainly I wouldn't sit here and say they are the cause of everything but they play a massive role and casual users don't understand who, ultimately they are supporting.

I dare anyone to say otherwise....
You're ignorant or a liar if you do.

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posted March 10, 2014 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
If you take offense to that then obviously it applies. I said "some" not all. Any heavy drug users would react that way sooooo.. You're gonna defend your habit regardless of what others think of it, even when it's wrong.

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posted March 10, 2014 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Giving your opinions on a subject is allowed, but transference of that opinion to an individual is not. Do not direct any personal comments to anyone. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but keep away from personal digs. Do not cross that line here.

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posted March 10, 2014 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]Think of how many murders are caused because of drugs/money. We here about the odd murder/suicide stuff but drug related murders are SO commonplace that they get a scoff from the general public and we move on.

Law enforcement has also lost lives investigating and/or making arrests for drug related crimes.

Drugs are also responsible for overdose deaths. What just saw a phone video of a mom messed up on heroin and the daughter trying to hold her mom up while riding on a train.
If you watch cops you will see homeless and such that are homeless, are prostitutes because of their drug problem.
Yes, SOME rapes occur due to the rapist being on drugs or as we know drugs used to make easier rape victims.

Certainly I wouldn't sit here and say they are the cause of everything but they play a massive role and casual users don't understand who, ultimately they are supporting.

I dare anyone to say otherwise....
You're ignorant or a liar if you do.

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I'm out because it's not my battle. My tax dollars do that.