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Topic: Petition for Timothy Tyler
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3353
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:44 AM
  
I'm not starting an argument here okay. Again I said "if" you take offence to it then it applies. That does not mean that's you. I did not personally attack anyone. If you feel that way then you do but I did not. IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
No. You understand who LOCALLY who you are supporting but follow the trail back to its source.
Or maybe you know of someone who grows/makes their own but the problem is still huge. Watch the news. Heck it's happened near my house. Deny deny deny... I will stand by what I said to the death because I know... Unquestionably that it is truth. So we can argue/debate this but I promise I won't budge an inch.
Neither will I.
People understand this in the greater scheme of things, not just locally. It's not like drug addicts are incapable of reading or watching the news. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1316
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Giving your opinions on a subject is allowed, but transference of that opinion to an individual is not. Do not direct any personal comments to anyone. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but keep away from personal digs. Do not cross that line here.
I think there's a misunderstanding as I'm sitting right next to her but good enough I guess.
I'm getting out because I don't wish to ride a merry-go-round.
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1316
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Neither will I.
People understand this in the greater scheme of things, not just locally. It's not like drug addicts are incapable of reading or watching the news.
Since you DO understand.
Case closed then.  IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I'm not starting an argument here okay. Again I said "if" you take offence to it then it applies. That does not mean that's you. I did not personally attack anyone. If you feel that way then you do but I did not.
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If you take offense to that then obviously it applies. I said "some" not all. Any heavy drug users would react that way sooooo.. You're gonna defend your habit regardless of what others think of it, even when it's wrong.
For the record.
I disagree with your way of wording things for a variety of reasons. Being a drug addict is not one of them.
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3353
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:49 AM
I said your(you're)as in regards to the person doing the drugs, not YOU. I never once said you. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8855
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 10, 2014 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Weed notwithstanding, there are a lot of violent crimes connected to meth, crack, and other strong narcotics. I'd much rather have those type of offenders behind bars than on the streets where they can smash open grandmothers' skulls over five dollars. As for nonviolent offenses, there's a big difference between using and the intent to distribute. If I got caught not once but twice and still didn't get the message, then do I not deserve the sentence that I have earned? Selling drugs is a choice, and that choice has consequences as a result of the voluntary actions taken. It's risk vs reward. In his case, he must have thought the reward was great enough to warrant the risk of a third strike. Three strike laws are enacted to deter criminal behavior by giving second chances while at the same time removing from society those whom show a repeated inability to conform to standards of law.
But its all propaganda. In my corner of the world meth is public enemy number one. You will see tv commercials, billboards, and hear radio commercials trying to scare you away from the evils of meth. There is even a billboard along the highway that says "cash for cooks" urging you to report meth addicts and/or makers for a reward. It has a picture of a demonic looking guy wearing a hoodie with glowing red eyes. Its gotten to the point where it is absurd... But you know what? My dad and his friends were meth users and I didnt even know it for the longest time! They never got mean or anything and never acted crazy... Even after I found out my dad was on drugs I never knew when he was high because he acted normal.. The only difference was he was more energetic and more productive..but that was par for the course because he was always a workaholic.. I will say I liked his druggie personality alot better than his drunk personality ... IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 38813
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 10, 2014 12:51 AM
I think there have been plenty of examples where a meth, crack, or heroin addict has committed violent acts to get their next fix. Certainly, there will be exceptions. Keep in mind that robbery is considered a violent crime in most states and comes with a mandatory sentence of ten years without parole if armed, and it doesn't matter if the victim is touched at all. IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I said your(you're)as in regards to the person doing the drugs, not YOU. I never once said you.
Then why did you quote me on that comment? IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3353
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Then why did you quote me on that comment?
I was answering a question directed at me just like it is now. IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I was answering a question directed at me just like it is now.
So, by your logic, if I'm offended by what you're saying, then I'm obviously a drug user? Please, by all means, let me know if I'm mistaken about that. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3353
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Giving your opinions on a subject is allowed, but transference of that opinion to an individual is not. Do not direct any personal comments to anyone. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but keep away from personal digs. Do not cross that line here.
Just like your "mods" dug at me and my logic and intelligence. I'm really not trying to start a war here it just bugs me that a few times now my logic and intelligence has been questioned multiple times by Mods who didn't agree with me. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8855
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 10, 2014 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]Think of how many murders are caused because of drugs/money. We here about the odd murder/suicide stuff but drug related murders are SO commonplace that they get a scoff from the general public and we move on. Law enforcement has also lost lives investigating and/or making arrests for drug related crimes. Drugs are also responsible for overdose deaths. What just saw a phone video of a mom messed up on heroin and the daughter trying to hold her mom up while riding on a train.
If you watch cops you will see homeless and such that are homeless, are prostitutes because of their drug problem.
Yes, SOME rapes occur due to the rapist being on drugs or as we know drugs used to make easier rape victims. Certainly I wouldn't sit here and say they are the cause of everything but they play a massive role and casual users don't understand who, ultimately they are supporting. I dare anyone to say otherwise....
You're ignorant or a liar if you do.
Drugs do not cause people to commit violent crimes... People who are violent will commit violent crimes whether they are on drugs or not. You could also say that some people might respond differently to a drug than others... Take marijuana for example... Some people will get the munchies when they smoke it, some will get tired and fall asleep,and some will laugh at everything and find even mundane **** amusing... Guess what? Thats no different than alcohol!! Some people get really happy when they get drunk, some will get depressed, others get angry and want to fight,and others will call everyone they know and tell them they love them. My dad used to be an alcoholic before he switched his addiction to meth.. Guess what? When he drank Jack Daniel's whiskey he got mean and would hit my mom and say things to make her cry, when I was 2 years old he flew into a rage because I peed my pants and beat the crap outta me... All of this because he was drunk, which is legal! But he gets sentenced to 15 years in prison for a drug that never caused him to lash out violently like he did when he was a drunk. The Government wants you to believe that drugs lead to violence so they can rob those people blind without you questioning it. It would be the same if the government outlawed coffee and started arresting people and locking them up for having it. Most people wouldn't question it because they would believe the government and media if they said coffee made people crazy or violent. [/B][/QUOTE]
Read the last paragraph number one.
Don't be ignorant number two.
I stopped reading after the first two sentences when I realized that you once again have some fantasy land that you call truth, number three. I'm out because it's not my battle. My tax dollars do that. Later! [/B][/QUOTE]
Me ignorant? I'm not the one who believes everything they see on the news. You stopped reading because you were afraid my post would stump yours with logic, which it did. Unlike you I have real world experience with people who have been drug users and I have never known any of them to be violent. But I have known people who drink that are violent or people who are violent who dont drink or do drugs. Now why is that?
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Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 12:57 AM
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3353
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 12:59 AM
Obviously I know he's not. That's why I said "mods". I'm done with this. We're getting nowhere so why even continue. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 38813
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 10, 2014 01:00 AM
Bottom line: Alcohol is legal. Meth is not.IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Obviously I know he's not. That's why I said "mods". I'm done with this. We're getting nowhere so why even continue.
I think that pushing this exclusively on mods is pushing it quite a bit. I've seen you get into arguments and swapping insults with Knowflakes and Mods alike. It still doesn't mean that I don't agree with you on some things. But please try to be more objective. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8855
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 10, 2014 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Bottom line: Alcohol is legal. Meth is not.
But what if coffee was suddenly made illegal and people who pushed coffee or had it in their possession were being arrested? Or beer? Or cigarettes? Or twinkies? Or soft drinks? Would you agree with that? Or think it is ridiculous? Anything can be twisted into a bad thing. IP: Logged |
Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Since you DO understand.
Case closed then.
Agreed. 
I drive a car. I know who I'm supporting when I do so.
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Xodian
Knowflake Posts: 771
From: Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 10, 2014 01:09 AM
I am all in favour of stringent punishments to drug related crimes; Particularly Dealers and violent actions and/or accidents that happen due to someone being under the influence of drugs. A lot of people are arguing in favour of Cannibis legalization. Yeah... No. The "weed" the dealers are selling these days isn't your "hippy" 70s clap trap. The dosage of THC in some of these drugs is mind boggling; Three to for times over the threshold level of joints during the 70s. The UN has actually placed street Cannibis under the same category as hard drugs. This is THE UN we are talking about here... The soft handed UN has actually declared Cannibis as a potent drug. To quote their report: quote:
"Recently, there has been an increased availability of strong herbal cannabis, containing on average 2-3 times the amount of the active compound, tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, as compared to the traditional imported ‘weed’. This strong cannabis includes:‘sinsemilla’ (a bud grown in the absence of male plants and which has no seeds); ‘homegrown’; ‘skunk’, which has a characteristic strong smell; and imported ‘netherweed’...
So would I rather pay taxdollars for junkies to go the rehab, kick the stuff off and then leave without a viable gurantee that they won't come across another dealer and get hooked on the stuff again? Or create a situational gurnatee that dealing these high potent substances means you are possibly dealing with your life?
With the dealers under lock and key for years on end, I have some sort of sustainable gurantee that they won't appear back on the streets anytime soon and this will allow junkies to go through the necessary rehab time that they need without external influences. On top of that, did I mention the fact that these dealers and cartels are the single HUGE thread to the security of the US? I hear so much crud about homeland security yet people are unaware that more US civilians have died in domestic Narcoterrorist incidents. And actually IMO I am all up for putting medical restrictions like transplant avalibility on Alcohol and cigerette abusers as well. If you wanna crud up your body, do it at your own expense. I am not paying to support your bad habits.
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BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 81
From: Phoenix, AZ, USA
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 10, 2014 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
I think prison should be more about rehabilitation than punishment. I don't care how long he's been in jail, the question is whether he is clean and there is reason to believe he has changed. If rehabilitation is impossible and it's an extreme case I'm all for capital punishment.
THANK YOU for being one of the only reasonable people in this forum! I think the issue isn't simply a matter of whether someone caught dealing drugs multiple times deserves a life sentence vs murder and/or rape. Obviously Timothy's case of being caught 3 times is rather extreme, but to me the issue should really be what can we do, if anything, to rehabilitate people like him back into society. Personally, I'm neutral on this scenario- I'm not going to sign the petition but can't really agree with a life sentence here. Not when people who murder and rape get out in a matter of a couple years. AG- just wanted to say you are awesome, so, so sorry your thread got derailed by petty digs and comments! Edit: MODS- just an off-topic idea, is it possible to create a 'timeout' feature where you don't ban someone but instead force them away from the site for a bit? I don't know if its something in the transits, but it has been really, really chippy on the site lately and it really takes away from the quality of the site. I am all for a healthy debate but the constant threats, passive-aggressive veiled digs, and immaturity is frustrating to see.
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Violets
Moderator Posts: 2929
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 10, 2014 01:12 AM
Yeah, sorry to derail your thread AG. I also agree with Sibyl and BellaFenice.IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 4030
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted March 10, 2014 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Please do not insult me, because I promise you won't like me at all, nor are you worth being banned over. 
I won't waste time arguing with you nor exchange insults but I will warn you as you warned me: you say selling drugs is as bad or worse than rape to the wrong woman IRL and you'll be packing ice on your nose. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8855
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 10, 2014 01:17 AM
Saying that drugs cause violence is irrational because plenty of people are violent without the help of illegal drugs. The violence that you do see related to drugs is because its illegal. When there is a product that is in demand and limited in supply you will see people fighting over it and it can sometimes get violent or even bloody. I work in security/ loss prevention and I have been contracted to work black friday at walmart the last two years. You know what? You will see people pushing and shoving to get an ipod, computer, or xbox. I even had to break up a few fights and throw people out of the store. All because they wanted an xbox ! Its not uncommon to hear of someone getting badly hurt or even killed in the black friday madness. Saying drugs causes violence is like saying xboxs or computers make people violent. I mean some people are violent in the process of getting them? So they must be the reason for the violence right? Wrong, because there are lots of sane people who dont act crazy and wait patiently in line. In fact most people at black friday sales dont act like that. Its the same with drug users... Some may get violent or crazy to get drugs but lots of them dont hurt anyone and mind their own business. In fact I would say most drug users fall into the 2nd categories.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8855
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 10, 2014 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by Xodian:
I am all in favour of stringent punishments to drug related crimes; Particularly Dealers and violent actions and/or accidents that happen due to someone being under the influence of drugs. A lot of people are arguing in favour of Cannibis legalization. Yeah... No. The "weed" the dealers are selling these days isn't your "hippy" 70s clap trap. The dosage of THC in some of these drugs is mind boggling; Three to for times over the threshold level of joints during the 70s. The UN has actually placed street Cannibis under the same category as hard drugs. This is THE UN we are talking about here... The soft handed UN has actually declared Cannibis as a potent drug. To quote their report: [QUOTE]"Recently, there has been an increased availability of strong herbal cannabis, containing on average 2-3 times the amount of the active compound, tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, as compared to the traditional imported ‘weed’. This strong cannabis includes:‘sinsemilla’ (a bud grown in the absence of male plants and which has no seeds); ‘homegrown’; ‘skunk’, which has a characteristic strong smell; and imported ‘netherweed’...
So would I rather pay taxdollars for junkies to go the rehab, kick the stuff off and then leave without a viable gurantee that they won't come across another dealer and get hooked on the stuff again? Or create a situational gurnatee that dealing these high potent substances means you are possibly dealing with your life?
With the dealers under lock and key for years on end, I have some sort of sustainable gurantee that they won't appear back on the streets anytime soon and this will allow junkies to go through the necessary rehab time that they need without external influences. On top of that, did I mention the fact that these dealers and cartels are the single HUGE thread to the security of the US? I hear so much crud about homeland security yet people are unaware that more US civilians have died in domestic Narcoterrorist incidents. And actually IMO I am all up for putting medical restrictions like transplant avalibility on Alcohol and cigerette abusers as well. If you wanna crud up your body, do it at your own expense. I am not paying to support your bad habits.[/QUOTE]
Propaganda: the government says it so it must be true. Just like they say swamp gas and weather balloons are responsible for ufo sightings. IP: Logged |
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