posted March 10, 2014 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Saying that drugs cause violence is irrational because plenty of people are violent without the help of illegal drugs. The violence that you do see related to drugs is because its illegal. When there is a product that is in demand and limited in supply you will see people fighting over it and it can sometimes get violent or even bloody. I work in security/ loss prevention and I have been contracted to work black friday at walmart the last two years. You know what? You will see people pushing and shoving to get an ipod, computer, or xbox. I even had to break up a few fights and throw people out of the store. All because they wanted an xbox ! Its not uncommon to hear of someone getting badly hurt or even killed in the black friday madness. Saying drugs causes violence is like saying xboxs or computers make people violent. I mean some people are violent in the process of getting them? So they must be the reason for the violence right? Wrong, because there are lots of sane people who dont act crazy and wait patiently in line. In fact most people at black friday sales dont act like that. Its the same with drug users... Some may get violent or crazy to get drugs but lots of them dont hurt anyone and mind their own business. In fact I would say most drug users fall into the 2nd categories.

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Can you give me sustainable proof for this conclusion of yours? Because I am not buying it. Its a common misconception for instance that Cannibis is not as bad as Alcohol since it doesn't leads to impaired judgement. Again, not true. The truth of the matter is that just a 6% increase in THC count has shown a significant problem relating to not only psychological but even physical issues:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Smoking-Cannabis-Induces-Madness-53576.shtml

Keep in mind that the subjects involved has no given history of previous psyc. issues. Furthermore, read the percentages of illict drivers who drove under the influence of cannibis in the following report:

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/ntlc_cannabis.pdf

posted March 10, 2014 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Propaganda: the government says it so it must be true. Just like they say swamp gas and weather balloons are responsible for ufo sightings.

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posted March 10, 2014 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Can you give me suubstantial and sustainable proof for this conclusion of yours? Because I am not buying it. Its a common misconception for instance that Cannibis is not as bad as Alcohol since it doesn't leads to impaired judgement. Again, not true. The truth of the matter is that just a 6% increase in THC count has shown a significant problem relating to not only psychological but even physical issues:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Smoking-Cannabis-Induces-Madness-53576.shtml

Keep in mind that the subjects involved has no given history of previous psyc. issues. Furthermore, read the percentages of illict drivers who drove under the influence of cannibis in the following report:

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/ntlc_cannabis.pdf

440 fatalities in California alone were attributed to the use of Cannibis. And before anyone goes on a tangent about problems related to drinking and driving, I am a huge supporter for cranking up penelties for drunk drivers.

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posted March 10, 2014 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Riiighht. So you are one of those "the moon landing never happened" people .

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posted March 10, 2014 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Tell me a single nation on Earth where drugs are fully legal to distribute and consume.

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It's not exactly legal but Portugal has decriminalized the possession of all drugs and it seems to be working out for them
http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/drug-d ecriminalization-portugal-lessons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies

On a side note, I actually don't believe the moon landing happened just like I don't believe the US had no idea about 9/11... hopefully no one tracks me down and tries to put me in prison lol

And as for propaganda, ever seen "Reefer Madness"? Ridiculous... but ppl are so gullible

posted March 10, 2014 03:45 AM            

anyway some of you might appreciate this:

posted March 10, 2014 03:52 AM            

Bo is a Saint. He passed away not too long ago, but not before leaving behind a great legacy for the forgotten and abused that were really seeking change within.

posted March 10, 2014 11:49 AM            

I do believe that some drugs can and do make people violent and paranoid, and I do not support legalizing those drugs. I do believe that extended drug and alcohol treatment should replace prison sentences in these cases, but that's just my belief. We're all entitled to have them.

And like most people, I find drug users annoying on a personal level, and I don't like to have them in my neighborhood. It's a very bad energy, and yes people do steal in order to support their habits. While I was always able to hold a job throughout my addiction, I've been ripped off enough times to know that is true.

But people do get better, without having to go to prison. It doesn't mean that I want the stuff in my neighborhood, or that I invite people over to my home if I know they have drug problems. I do the opposite. But I always try to help, offering resources to get professional help if they ever decide to.

Quite a few people I know still struggle with their addiction issues, and it's just too much chaos for me. I don't want it around my son, and I don't want that type of energy in my life. So I've had to distance myself from those people over the years.

So I do identify with some of what other people are saying on here.

posted March 10, 2014 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I won't waste time arguing with you nor exchange insults but I will warn you as you warned me: you say selling drugs is as bad or worse than rape to the wrong woman IRL and you'll be packing ice on your nose.

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posted March 10, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I don't like to pay taxes, but I do so anyway. I don't agree with the IRS tax code but I comply anyway. I think the tax code is screwed up, I hate the unfair, lobsided nature of taxation and I hate the way my tax payments are wasted. But I still pay. Why? Because I know what's coming to me if I don't pay my taxes. Thumb your nose at the law and you fully deserve what's coming to you.

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posted March 10, 2014 03:07 PM            

Don't give your narrow-minded logic. There are things that exist beyond what YOU'VE seen. The WORLD is not only how it is where you live.

One of my sisters got involved with the "wrong crowd" years ago... on meth, rehab. She was once jumped by several people... with weapons and beaten. These people were supposedly family. (her daughter's father's family)

I also live a few hours from Chicago. We have section 8 housing here and where I work there are a lot of "Temporary" workers, working through agencies. Many of these people are people who have come from Chicago to get their life straight. I talk to everybody. (Libra asc? LOL)
They tell me of the stuff that goes on. I worked with a 20 year old woman who came here because her boyfriend was murdered by mistake. They mistook him for someone they were looking for.

posted March 10, 2014 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
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Don't give your narrow-minded logic. There are things that exist beyond what YOU'VE seen. The WORLD is not only how it is where you live.

One of my sisters got involved with the "wrong crowd" years ago... on meth, rehab. She was once jumped by several people... with weapons and beaten. These people were supposedly family. (her daughter's father's family)

I also live a few hours from Chicago. We have section 8 housing here and where I work there are a lot of "Temporary" workers, working through agencies. Many of these people are people who have come from Chicago to get their life straight. I talk to everybody. (Libra asc? LOL)
They tell me of the stuff that goes on. I worked with a 20 year old woman who came here because her boyfriend was murdered by mistake. They mistook him for someone they were looking for.

So don't give us your little boxed in world. There are truths out there that clearly you are denying.

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posted March 10, 2014 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Just Look at the "studies" Xodian posted about marijuana. There is zero evidence that marijuana causes madness but most people will believe it because a "study" says so. Anyone who has ever smoked marijuana or knows someone who does knows how asinine those claims are.

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Ok, I am going to friggin outright say it; I don't care for claims of self appointed "Marijuana Experts" as to what they think the benefits of Cannibis are based of their own "personal" experiences. I don't take anything they say about the drug in any serious outlook.

You wanna know why?

Obvious bias.

I don't know if the drug they take is watered down, how long have they used if for, what the duration of their intake is, or even if they are aware of the harm they are doing to their own bodies. So yeah, your personal "anecdotes" mean ZILCH! ZERO! NADA! NOTHING! to me interms of FACTUAL data that I can derive solid conclusion upon.

All these studies that you are claiming to be "government propaganda" are actually done by independent ACADEMIC institutions that have no stake in benefiting from the backing of the government's agenda. They only care about factual outlook. I will take their facts over personal anecdotes of Cannibis users.

posted March 10, 2014 07:41 PM            

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/disciplinepunish/section7.rhtml

Anyway, the FACTS are that around 88,000 people die from excessive alcohol use per year in the US, while not a single person has ever died from smoking too much weed. (meaning OD from it) And that is not personal bias, since I don't smoke weed but definitely enjoy drinking lol
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

posted March 10, 2014 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Ok, I am going to friggin outright say it; I don't care for claims of self appointed "Marijuana Experts" as to what they think the benefits of Cannibis are based of their own "personal" experiences. I don't take anything they say about the drug in any serious outlook.

You wanna know why?

Obvious bias.

I don't know if the drug they take is watered down, how long have they used if for, what the duration of their intake is, or even if they are aware of the harm they are doing to their own bodies. So yeah, your personal "anecdotes" mean ZILCH! ZERO! NADA! NOTHING! to me interms of FACTUAL data that I can derive solid conclusion upon.

All these studies that you are claiming to be "government propaganda" are actually done by independent ACADEMIC institutions that have no stake in benefiting from the backing of the government's agenda. They only care about factual outlook. I will take their facts over personal anecdotes of Cannibis users.

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posted March 10, 2014 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Ok, I am going to friggin outright say it; I don't care for claims of self appointed "Marijuana Experts" as to what they think the benefits of Cannibis are based of their own "personal" experiences. I don't take anything they say about the drug in any serious outlook.

You wanna know why?

Obvious bias.

I don't know if the drug they take is watered down, how long have they used if for, what the duration of their intake is, or even if they are aware of the harm they are doing to their own bodies. So yeah, your personal "anecdotes" mean ZILCH! ZERO! NADA! NOTHING! to me interms of FACTUAL data that I can derive solid conclusion upon.

All these studies that you are claiming to be "government propaganda" are actually done by independent ACADEMIC institutions that have no stake in benefiting from the backing of the government's agenda. They only care about factual outlook. I will take their facts over personal anecdotes of Cannibis users.

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