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Topic: Petition for Timothy Tyler
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 08, 2014 07:24 PM
I saw this on facebook and thought it might be worth posting here. Timothy Tyler was sentenced to life without parole for non-violent drug charges way back in '92. He has served more than 20 years for a mistake he made when he was a young man. His sister created this petition because she feels her brother has more than payed his debt to society and I agree with her. If you feel that long sentences for non violent drug charges are ridiculous please sign the petition, it only takes a few moments. https://www.change.org/petitions/my-brother-was-sentenced-to-life-without-parole-for-a-nonviolent-drug-offense?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=50891&alert_id= tkfovNYthJ_xCndFRGMaEIP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 08, 2014 07:27 PM
https://www.change.org/petitions/my-brother-was-sentenced-to-life-without-parole-for-a-nonviolent-drug-offense?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=50891&alert_id= tkfovNYthJ_xCndFRGMaEIP: Logged |
Scorpiocat Knowflake Posts: 26 From: Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 08, 2014 09:01 PM
I'd like to sign it, but I'm no longer on Facebook, is there some other way?IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 08, 2014 09:23 PM
Copy and paste the link above into your google browser. The website is change.orgIP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4030 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted March 08, 2014 09:58 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/my-brother-was-sentenced-to-life-without-parole-for-a-nonviolent-drug-offense?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=50891&alert_id= tkfovNYthJ_xCndFRGMaEIP: Logged |
earthypisces Knowflake Posts: 493 From: Greenville, South Carolina Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 08, 2014 10:32 PM
Signed it.------------------ My chart: http://i.imgur.com/N9w5x4Z.gif IP: Logged |
Scorpiocat Knowflake Posts: 26 From: Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 09, 2014 03:27 AM
I signed it.IP: Logged |
Violets Moderator Posts: 2929 From: Twin Peaks Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 09, 2014 11:28 AM
I completely agree with you, AG. I will sign it. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6861 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted March 09, 2014 11:35 AM
I, of course, completely disagree. This is a three-time offender from my home state who peddled LSD and weed. There isn't such a thing as non-violent drug crimes. The supply chain is inherently violent and a damaging influence to the youth in my home state. He knew the consequences of a three-time violation and yet took his chances. If you want to spout that non-violent line of argument, then every white collared criminal didn't commit a violent crime either. That doesn't hold water. Sorry for the time, but this guy chose to do the crime. IP: Logged |
Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 378 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 09, 2014 01:44 PM
I think prison should be more about rehabilitation than punishment. I don't care how long he's been in jail, the question is whether he is clean and there is reason to believe he has changed. If rehabilitation is impossible and it's an extreme case I'm all for capital punishment. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 09, 2014 01:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: I, of course, completely disagree. This is a three-time offender from my home state who peddled LSD and weed. There isn't such a thing as non-violent drug crimes. The supply chain is inherently violent and a damaging influence to the youth in my home state. He knew the consequences of a three-time violation and yet took his chances. If you want to spout that non-violent line of argument, then every white collared criminal didn't commit a violent crime either. That doesn't hold water. Sorry for the time, but this guy chose to do the crime.
I knew there was more to the story. There always is with these types of crimes. The "real" story and important stuff is always left out. I felt bad but after learning that he was fully aware of the consequences of his third offense I feel he got what he deserved. Tax payers pay regardless, what makes this any different from the thousand other "remorseful," rehabilitated drug dealers.
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Violets Moderator Posts: 2929 From: Twin Peaks Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 09, 2014 02:01 PM
Signed it. I don't care about whether or not people are selling drugs. If people want to get high, let them. Who cares. If they're selling drugs to young kids, well...that's obviously different. There is a horrible meth epidemic everywhere, especially in small towns, and I hold a slightly different opinion about that particular drug. Otherwise, if they're not robbing people or physically harming people, whatever. I have more important things to concern myself with. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 02:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Barbiegirl19: I knew there was more to the story. There always is with these types of crimes. The "real" story and important stuff is always left out. I felt bad but after learning that he was fully aware of the consequences of his third offense I feel he got what he deserved. Tax payers pay regardless, what makes this any different from the thousand other "remorseful," rehabilitated drug dealers.
what? The fact of the matter is he got life for drugs! That is absurd.... A guy could murder someone,rape a woman,or molest a child and get less time. If you dont have a problem with that you need to have your head examined. The Government does not care about you or me... They are not locking druggies up for our safety.. They are locking them up because they are making money the government isn't getting a cut of, thats it. Its all about money and its all about power and control. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Barbiegirl19: I knew there was more to the story. There always is with these types of crimes. The "real" story and important stuff is always left out. I felt bad but after learning that he was fully aware of the consequences of his third offense I feel he got what he deserved. Tax payers pay regardless, what makes this any different from the thousand other "remorseful," rehabilitated drug dealers.
What do you mean tax payers pay regardless? They are Paying to keep him locked up! If you had to choose between locking up a violent rapist or a jolly guy who smokes a little grass who would you choose? The government is wasting your money by keeping guys like this locked up.IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 09, 2014 02:58 PM
Well there are things in life that we have absolutely no control over. Why live your life trying to gain control? He was aware of the consequences. Drug dealers are just as bad if not worse than the murderers and rapists. It's a all a big chain that all leads back to drugs. So with that said be deserved what he got. Too bad it was all his choice. Clearly he didn't care so why should we?IP: Logged |
Violets Moderator Posts: 2929 From: Twin Peaks Registered: Apr 2011
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posted March 09, 2014 03:02 PM
Ha. Possibly for the first time ever, AG, I am one hundred percent on the same page with you.Unfortunately, this is really controversial, and many people are simply not going to understand it. I avoid politics with other people for the most part, but I agree with you absolutely on this one. Gonna try to avoid this topic, though. Too political for me. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 03:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Barbiegirl19: Well there are things in life that we have absolutely no control over. Why live your life trying to gain control? He was aware of the consequences. Drug dealers are just as bad if not worse than the murderers and rapists. It's a all a big chain that all leads back to drugs. So with that said be deserved what he got. Too bad it was all his choice. Clearly he didn't care so why should we?
that is all propaganda.... The government wants people to see drug users as a threat so they can lock them up and nobody will question it. Most drug users are not violent lazy thieves. You would be suprised how many drug users function like normal people and work 40 + hours a week or go to college and pass their classes. I know a guy who is a surgeon and smokes weed every single day! It doesn't affect his ability to do his job. He is just a laid back guy who is always happy lol.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6861 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted March 09, 2014 03:09 PM
They all should be thrown in together and kept there. The premeditated murders shouldn't be given prison sentences. Criminals commit crimes. Honest law abdng citizens don't and should have the benefit of being protected from criminals. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 09, 2014 03:12 PM
No one ever said they were any of that. That's besides the point. What they're selling and smoking is the cause of all the problems on top of all the other crazy crap going on today. You're not arrested for smoking pot, only if it's on you. Lol. They are criminals regardless of however way you look at it and criminals should be held accountable for their crimes. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 03:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Barbiegirl19: No one ever said they were any of that. That's besides the point. What they're selling and smoking is the cause of all the problems on top of all the other crazy crap going on today. You're not arrested for smoking pot, only if it's on you. Lol. They are criminals regardless of however way you look at it and criminals should be held accountable for their crimes.
Ok but is it just to lock up a druggie for life when some violent criminals get 10 years or less?
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Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 09, 2014 03:28 PM
They are aware of the consequence so why does it matter? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 38813 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 09, 2014 04:01 PM
He wasn't just a user. He was a dealer. And he knew the risks. That's why we have three-strike laws. So, it's hard to feel sorry for him. After strike two, he should have definitely stopped. He didn't. He has only himself to blame. He didn't just make a mistake when he was a young man. He made three mistakes. And age has nothing to do with it. What if he had murdered someone when he was a young man? The age argument doesn't hold water. If it was a first offense, then the sentence would be harsh. But he did it again. And again. And he would likely still be doing it. Whether you agree with drug laws or not, this is society, and to be a part of that society, one must comply with the laws as they are applied. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 04:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: They all should be thrown in together and kept there. The premeditated murders shouldn't be given prison sentences. Criminals commit crimes. Honest law abdng citizens don't and should have the benefit of being protected from criminals.
Have you ever jaywalked or went above the speeding limit in your car? Everyone breaks laws .. Heck, there are a million obscure laws that dont ever or rarely get enforced. The fact of the matter is the government could lock everyone up if they really wanted to. They just want to go after and lock up druggies because they get money out of it, its really that simple. They get the druggies money and property and then the taxpayers pay to keep them locked up. Am i the only one ****** off about that? The cops raided my dad's house "Without A Warrant" and took everything he owned. They got his cars , his motorcycle, everything! They did all of this without a warrant.... Now let me ask you who are the real criminals in this instance? The cops were the ones busting in without a warrant and stealing stuff.. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8855 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 09, 2014 04:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: He wasn't just a user. He was a dealer. And he knew the risks. That's why we have three-strike laws. So, it's hard to feel sorry for him. After strike two, he should have definitely stopped. He didn't. He has only himself to blame.
It is really easy to feel sorry for them when you realize just how corrupt the government is. A judge in my area was convicted of selling prescription pills... This was a guy who put guys in prison for years for doing the same thing. Guess how much time he got? 2 years... And this stuff goes on all the time. The only reason there is a war on drugs is because the government can line their pockets with $$$$$... If you are involved with drugs the cops can raid your house and take all of your money and your possessions and nobody holds them accountable for that or asks questions because they buy all of the propaganda about drugs and drug users. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 3353 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted March 09, 2014 04:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: He wasn't just a user. He was a dealer. And he knew the risks. That's why we have three-strike laws. So, it's hard to feel sorry for him. After strike two, he should have definitely stopped. He didn't. He has only himself to blame. He didn't just make a mistake when he was a young man. He made three mistakes. And age has nothing to do with it. What if he had murdered someone when he was a young man? The age argument doesn't hold water. If it was a first offense, then the sentence would be harsh. But he did it again. And again. And he would likely still be doing it. Whether you agree with drug laws or not, this is society, and to be a part of that society, one must comply with the laws as they are applied.
Very well put Randall. I agree completely IP: Logged |