posted March 11, 2014 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I wonder if I'm the only person who has Rick James saying "Cocaine's a helluva drug" stuck in my head... Sorry, my skewed sense of humor strikes again.

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Not gonna lie I was actually thinking, if we're gonna get all technical about it... cannabis sounds kind of like cunnilingus. But who uses those terms? Sometimes you have to know when to switch it into street mode. How's that for a skewed sense of humor? haha

Sorry if this is inappropriate, I'm sure I'll edit later

posted March 11, 2014 04:52 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Not gonna lie I was actually thinking, if we're gonna get all technical about it... cannabis sounds kind of like cunnilingus. But who uses those terms? Sometimes you have to know when to switch it into street mode. How's that for a skewed sense of humor? haha

Sorry if this is inappropriate, I'm sure I'll edit later

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posted March 11, 2014 08:22 AM            

As far as drug users, it is my opinion that the last three Presidents have always been unfit for duty and a disgrace to the nation. The prior three Presidents were outstanding citizens against all drugs. This is an apolitical issue. As much as I disagree with the political philosophies of President Carter, I admire his tireless efforts against drugs, alcohol and tobacco.

posted March 11, 2014 10:29 AM            

I'm not sure if you need to edit that or not...
I've seen worse language.

posted March 11, 2014 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
if you sell drugs, you carry the Karma for all the lives you destroy.

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posted March 12, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So do those who make & enforce the anti-drug laws which empower the drug syndicates and do more than the drug vices themselves to make society (and the drugs) less safe.

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That does not matter, individuals are freely choosing to sell drugs..

That is on them not the government.
DAMN YOU GOVERMENT..

How about you take account for your lifestyle.
Get a day job or take some classes at a CC.
What disgusts me the most are dealers that are not junkies themselves..
It blows my mind.

I'm not even talking about weed dealers because many of them are locally grown hell my friend grows that **** in her backyard for herself lol.

posted March 12, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
why are some people acting like selling drugs is harmless and not dangerous, it's a competitive industry. You have more of a chance get yourself killed than any day time job...
If you are being supplied you are working for a criminal organization... Yes they slaughter many..

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posted March 12, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
That does not matter, individuals are freely choosing to sell drugs

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Individuals make the choices offered to them in a climate of prohibition, and prohibition is what makes it controlled by criminal organizations, just as alcohol once was, so yeah, it does matter.

posted March 12, 2014 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
How about you take account for your lifestyle.
Get a day job or take some classes at a CC.
What disgusts me the most are dealers that are not junkies themselves..
It blows my mind

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There are various reasons some can't see doing anything else, but that's beside the point. I thought to expand your question, however...

How about if they joined a fully legal corporation that have sweat shops in China, Taiwan and third world companies? Or those corporations that send deadly toxic waste to India for them to deal with (granted, their lives are pretty bleak anyway)? Or how about going to work for the Golden Arches (the dealers at the bottom would probably make as much) where they can help push high fat, empty calorie food that inspire diabetes, strokes, and heart attacks to keep profits high? Or even better, the oil companies who plunder oil in other countries via the military of whoring governments?

Speaking of which, the last reminded me of this from Smedley Butler:

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I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

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(Btw, Al Capone was just a small time pimp before Prohibition made him a man of history. And when Prohibition was replaced by regulation then the alcohol became safer and the warring, murdering gangs over it dried up almost overnight.)

posted March 12, 2014 08:00 PM            

Actually, it's much the same thing, people talking about the karma of others or how drugs cause harm (even though history shows prohibition makes them much more harmful and dangerous which exacerbate the problem rather than check it so that those who give viable support to prohibition can also be said to share in the karma which is manifest in our society--by prohibition at least as much as drugs themselves) are throwing stones from glass houses (perhaps then condemning drugs users and/or drug dealers is meant to distract from one's own karmic debt?).

posted March 12, 2014 08:49 PM            

What I have to say about Karma is:

"We may not know what is right, but we always know what is wrong." -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

posted March 12, 2014 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Great insight, PJ.

What I have to say about Karma is:

"We may not know what is right, but we always know what is wrong." -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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Great quote.

Also, I agree PJ. I see your point. I'm not discounting the evil of what you brought up. However I will say that some people could be considered under what I've heard called, "economic slavery". Example, many people more or less do not have a choice but to buy gasoline due to their proximity to work and to sustain themselves and their families. It's nearly an impossibility. Sure, technically they have that option but how much of an option is it really?
We could get informed about which companies, if any, are actually decent. Overall though, many are more or less forced into things. Paying taxes for example that fund these wars, yet if we fail to pay we go to jail.

In the end though, I see what you're saying. I don't feel any less about drug dealers and such though. It just makes me think that sometimes it's such a sad world that we live in.

posted March 12, 2014 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[B] Great quote.

Also, I agree PJ. I see your point. I'm not discounting the evil of what you brought up. However I will say that some people could be considered under what I've heard called, "economic slavery". Example, many people more or less do not have a choice but to buy gasoline due to their proximity to work and to sustain themselves and their families. It's nearly an impossibility. Sure, technically they have that option but how much of an option is it really?

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Yeah but "economic slavery" extends beyond just having to buy gas... For those who do find themselves resorting to illegal activities to support themselves or their families (or even those who genuinely have other options but make a mistake in their youth or whatever...) is slapping a felony on their record really going to help them make a successful comeback in society? Not really... Not saying it's "right" or not dangerous, but that's how the "cycle of poverty" continues

I guess what bothers me about the war on drugs is it's presented with these "innocent and heartfelt" intentions, but really there are other agendas and multiple angles to look at it from

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/cia_drug_connection_under_reagan.htm

posted March 13, 2014 12:01 AM            

I'm lost about what we are debating about as I've pretty much agreed now.
Also it feels like being on a merry-go-round....exhausting.

I don't doubt all that and one could easily say that "this" hurts or feeds "that". I never once said that the systems in place couldn't be corrupt but a law is a law and we know them. We could go in circles forever and there's no point being made that I don't understand. How about some credit. I'm not ignorant, I just disagree with some things.

posted March 13, 2014 12:16 AM            

I do give you credit, personally. I don't find you to be unintelligent. For the record.