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woah city
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posted September 22, 2009 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
times like this i wonder why there isn't a hug smiley here.

((big squeeze))

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posted September 22, 2009 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
fatinkerbell~

Oh wow! That just made me put aside 92% of my issue. Yes, he is always saying how hectic it is, and how it is just plain horrible but wow, he has never told me that it could be that bad.

I feel bad now.

*sigh*

Now, I wonder... maybe it is actually a reflection of ease and trust with me that makes him feels that he can be as moody as he wishes with me? I hate to make excuses for bad behavior (if it is that), hence there is only 92% put aside and not 100%. But... if you put it that way... I can work on over-looking the whole thing. Honestly. I am just a "no tolerance for being treated badly" type of girl. So, I struggle with differentiating between things that can be ignored and things that can not be tolerated . I always fear that a person might treat me badly because I allowed it. You know what I mean?

I am almost confused, but I know what I need to do. One more day and I should be over it 100%.

Well, fatinkerbell, I am grateful for your perspective. It does make me more understanding, for sure. Way more understanding than I was. I am surprised though seeing as I can get short with people without even being tired (if it is people close to me), so I should understand that most of it is usually not personal.

This is so hard. This whole situation is a little more than I bargained for.

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so be nice to Michael when in doubt because it can be pretty hard working here ... especially at first. Maybe sometimes when he is a little short with you it's just 'cos he's really really tired. I'm willing to bet my life on that .... seriously!

I must say that this would be the first time being this understanding, if I manage to do it. I might just learn the art of forgiveness with this guy. This is all so deep. I am literally seeing myself grow here.

woah city~ fatinkerbell did put a new spin on this, didn't she?

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posted September 22, 2009 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
unmoved- i actually hadn't read fatinkerbell's reply. i have an extremely active 3 year old under my feet at all times and thus a mild (ha! full blown!) case of situational ADD. i was just hugging you based on your reply to me!

but yeah, that sounds crazy hectic. what are relationships for but to grow from hey?

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posted September 23, 2009 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
fatinkerbell.

Work in Korea is HARD. I was working for the government too, but I taught middle school kids 3 mornings a week, high school kids 2 mornings a week, and every afternoon I taught Korean teachers who taught English. So, 35 hours of teaching every week, from 11 to 65 years old of hugely varying abilities, had to plan my own lessons, was given no teaching material and the nearest place to get it was 3 hours away by train. When you're not teaching you're planning. No internet. I had a 1 week holiday in a whole year, and I was ill all the time. In the winter it was -5 degrees in my classroom because there was no heating. And everybody's mother used to come to my apartment in the evening to ask if I could school their kid for free. Yoikes. I was in tears a lot of the time. I couldn't go out easily either, I taught in a small town and being blonde and blue eyed it was like being famous, everybody knew who you were and until about 6 months in everybody looks the same to you. I think I lost it 11 months in when I got followed through the town by a bunch of kids who wouldn't let me be and I screamed "F*ck OFF!" at them. The look on their faces. Not my best moment but I was having a nervous breakdown! I even taught some of them, I didn't see them in my distress. Ouchie. If Michael is black or mixed race then that will be even more trying. They have heard that black people exist, but they have never seen one.

Plus everybody thinks you're American which is annoying because you're not responsible for the bloody war 40 years ago, you're from Wales and you're only 25. Where is Wales? Nobody ever heard of that place and thinks you're making it up. Korea is Scorpio. Very suspicious.

And in your one week holiday when you want to get the hell out of there and go to Japan they will feel slighted because you didn't spend the whole time in Korea and they will ignore you for a bit when you come back and not pay you on time for a couple of months, make you work Christmas, and "forget" to pick you up for school, and mutter about the Japanese occupation under their breath. The Japanese are Bad People and Always Will Be. End of story. Scorpio sting - I got stung A LOT.

People will go through your basket at the supermarket to see what the foreigner eats, and I believe if they could they would have cut my veins to see if I my blood was red. They ask all sorts of questions that make your hair stand on end, such as how much you earn, who your boyfriend is, and occasionally a rough sort of person will just tell you to go home because you and your fancy English are not required in Korea, thank you very much. They are a very nationalistic nation. I had a cab driver who abducted me once and drove me all around town for a couple of hours and didn't let me out, just to make me uncomfortable and he was laughing. I wasn't scared, just angry. I was late for class but my story wasn't a good enough excuse. That was my one and only truly bad experience. But a good Korean friend found the taxi driver... but that is another story.

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posted September 23, 2009 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and they tended to put the English teacher in the same apartment year after year so everybody knows your phone number and likes to call up at 3am to shout "Hello teacher!" and then hang up. Too too funny, as you can imagine.

Combine that with a climate that goes from -20 degrees in the winter to +40 in the summer and you are never adequately dressed and shopping for clothes is a torment because they want to climb into the changing room to see what the really pale person looks like under her clothing. Jesus!

So be gentle on him! It is a rough deal and the Koreans believe in education so much that they don't beat around the bush and they hardly ever consider that you might be homesick, lovesick and suffering from the most tremendous culture shock of your entire life, plus have to eat pickled heavily chillied cabbage for breakfast, speak in very slow English ALL THE TIME, and you want your Mum. Nobody ever tells you anything useful and you're treated like a 10 year old. Do this, do that. I think I described myself in my journal at the time "An English speaking robot on legs". When I had time to write my journal, which was never. Do all this with a year-long bout of diarrhea (seriously) almost weekly food poisoning due to undercooked pork, cockroaches living in the freezer compartment of your fridge and you will get the general idea.

I never actually saw the benefits of being there until I was away, some years later. Now I wish I had appreciated it better, but it's difficult as I was exhausted the whole time, and ill. You can't even be ill quietly over there, if you phone up sick all the teachers pile over to your place with pizza and sit on your bed and want the lesson to go on regardless. God bless them

NB: If Koreans are out of cherry tomatoes for the pizza topping, they will quite often substitute them with glace cherries, which look the same. True story. Even pizza makes you cry out there.

Perhaps he would like to spill more about what it's like there for him? I know I did! rant rant rant!!

But other than the taxi driver experience, if you're in Korea you are a guest of theirs and they will stand up for you when it counts, as one of their own. You never buy your own dinner. I love them, I love the country.

Ms Unmoved.

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posted September 23, 2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Would it be really inappropriate, and not funny, if I said I told you so about Korea?

I'm just being sarcastic, but I know that doesn't carry well online without tone and inflection at all. I don't really mean it.

Ahh, now you all hate me.

Unmoved,

On a serious note, why don't you just ask him? That's what I would do, but I am an aqua with a TON of sag. I am very honest and direct.

THIS IS YOUR FIRST FIGHT!!!!!

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posted September 23, 2009 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Hey guys. Gosh, it sounds worse and worse with each account.

So, I asked his mom for his postal address to send the package to him, because I want the package to be a surprise. I am not sure how appropriate any of this is. Frankly, I'll take the heat later. I can't help but think that this is very forward of me, but so be it. It seems more important to cheer him up than to retain my pride. What am I saying, "I have no pride when it comes to these matters of the heart."

It sounds tough there and a surprise package could pick up his spirits. I also asked his mom to suggest anything else I could add to his package.

Yep. This is all so new to me. I wouldn't be surprised if all this explodes in my face because if anyone contacted my mother without my prior permission and knowledge, I would freak out no matter how well intentioned it is. I thought about asking his sister, but she hates me so... the mother was the only option.

This whole thing is making me act out of character, but after reading the accounts of S. Korea, rather this tiny bit of discomfort if it means a little bit of pleasure for him there.

Poor thing!

Diana~ Nah. I don't want to add to the stress. The fights can wait when he is at full strength and back home. I don't want to kick a man when he is down because I can pack a mean punch. I mean, what if our talks are a relief for him? If we fight then it would be counter-productive for my goals and not conducive to his well being... and I seem to care, so I will post-pone it or forgive it completely. I am all for sparring, but I don't find it appropriate right now.

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posted September 23, 2009 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Unmoved... Well what you said about Michael being comfortable enough to be himself around you makes a lot of sense! I would really prefer it if a guy was like kinda sometimes a little distant and unattentive rather than being all the time focused on me because he felt he has to walk on eggs... So I think it's a good sign! Diana... I reckon every place in the world is someplace you gotta visit yourself before being able to give a true opinion and I know many people think and say Korea is a dump and they really hate it here .... I think Korea is such a place of extremes that you either totally love it or totally hate it. The one thing that I do do is compare it to South Africa ... which as everyone knows has a really bad history of discrimination an unequal distribution of wealth ... The thing about Korea is that no matter what else you can say about it here , EVERYONE has enough to eat and EVERYONE has a place to stay and EVERYONE has cheap healthcare and EVERYONE has respect for each other. That's what makes this place remarkable for me and I'm still making up my mind as to whether the harsh conditions that go into all this 'equality' is worth it, or not ... Anyway, I haven't mentioned this before but my mom is also in Korea as a teacher so she and I are totally each other's support system which makes it a lot easier for me. I'm guessing maybe we will stay here a bit longer because actually we are looking into university jobs which are rumored to be the top of the 'layer cake'. Funny thing about Koreans ... they are sooooo religious - Christian and Buddhist. There are churches ALL over the place. And there is really cool Buddhist TV which sometimes has English guys on from the International Zen centre, and I quite like watching that. Korea is really like that story about the five blind guys sent to figure out what an elephant is ... the one feels its trunk and says its a snake, one feels his legs and says its a tree, on feels its side and says its a wall, etc etc.

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posted September 23, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
fatinkerbell~

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Hey Unmoved... Well what you said about Michael being comfortable enough to be himself around you makes a lot of sense! I would really prefer it if a guy was like kinda sometimes a little distant and unattentive rather than being all the time focused on me because he felt he has to walk on eggs... So I think it's a good sign!

I prefer honesty than obligated manners too. I am similar too. I can't and won't pretend.

And Diana is just being funny re: S, Korea. Ask wheels!

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posted September 24, 2009 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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Would it be really inappropriate, and not funny, if I said I told you so about Korea?
I'm just being sarcastic, but I know that doesn't carry well online without tone and inflection at all. I don't really mean it.

Ahh, now you all hate me.


Nah, you have a point. It is hard work but if you're looking for an accellerated personal development trip, Korea's your place. Nothing will ever seem quite so crazy back home!
I'm serious actually. Hehe.

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posted September 25, 2009 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved,

Do you still have my e mail? If so, please drop me a quick line when you have a second...

HIYA Wheelsie!

8th

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posted September 25, 2009 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, sure. I will do so now.

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posted September 25, 2009 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
8th~

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posted September 25, 2009 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Love ya girl. Keep the faith.

8th

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posted September 26, 2009 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi 8th!!

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posted September 26, 2009 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
(Un)moved ~
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I must say that this would be the first time being this understanding, if I manage to do it. I might just learn the art of forgiveness with this guy. This is all so deep. I am literally seeing myself grow here.
Ouch!!
btw, I don’t think I can in all fairness call you “unmoved” right now
Forgiveness/understanding *is* an "art" as you say, and the only way to learn it is to practice on real-life human beings.....
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I'll take the heat later. I can't help but think that this is very forward of me, but so be it. It seems more important to cheer him up than to retain my pride. What am I saying, "I have no pride when it comes to these matters of the heart." It sounds tough there and a surprise package could pick up his spirits.
I’m all for the surprise package!! I’m a veteran care-package-sender, and it has never backfired on me – the recipients were generally delighted and very touched to receive little gifts that were just what they needed…..
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I also asked his mom to suggest anything else I could add to his package . . . [that is so thoughtful of you -- brilliant!!]
Yep. This is all so new to me. I wouldn't be surprised if all this explodes in my face because if anyone contacted my mother without my prior permission and knowledge, I would freak out no matter how well intentioned it is.
But this is **you** sweetie, my little Scorpio rising ;-))
Others may be flattered that you wanted to send them something so badly that you resorted to contacting family members
Now, don’t hex it by bringing the fear of it all “exploding in your face” into the equation :-D
Also, you’re in a different position than Michael so you have a different attitude about this – being somewhat of a public figure, of course you wouldn’t want creeps tracking down your mum to get to you…..
I’m happy that you’re experiencing that tickly, raw feeling of rapid new skin (emotions) growth
This is what Life’s all about, imho

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posted September 26, 2009 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Update:

After the horror stories of S. Korea, from ours truly, the beautiful and delicious wheelsofcheese and the "tell it like it is" fatinkerbell, I was absolutely horrified that he kept such terrible conditions secret from me. Basically, I told him in an over-protective way that I demand for him to tell me whenever he has a bad day because one should never suffer alone. I was truly and honestly heart-broken about everything that he might have been going through, and I guess it translated through the email because his reaction was strong.

He responded to my concern with such amusement that I became a tad self-conscious, wondering what was funny about the whole thing. Yes, the first words of his response to my shocking discovery of the tough state of Korea was, "HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA". I felt very stupid for being so alarmed. I was embarrassed by my freaking out because honestly, I was half way to S. Korea after hearing the stories!!

He then assured me that his situation is not like that, and that it is actually better than most but he did say that there are definitely bad situations in S. Korea, but he worked at a very well established private academy. So, it safe to say that in Michael's case, he was being b!tchy that day or that I misinterpreted his tone. Either way, I am over that because life is too short. I no longer am mad at him, thank to the lot of you, dear souls!!!

Then we spoke about this and that, about the cruelty to pets in S. Korea, but the general result from my dramatic freak out is that he liked it. He said the following:

"my god that email made me smile"

"Anyways dont feel silly. Your concern is admirable as well. Always good to know."

Okay, that's that for the update.

Zala~

I hope you're right! I hope it doesn't p!ss him off that I schemed to get him a surprise. I haven't heard from his mom still, so I am just holding fast hope. I asked his mom, ever so nicely, not to tell Michael, but again, if it was my mom being asked by some stranger to not tell me something, it would never happen. Yes, my mom and I can not be played against each other except maybe by my sister. So, due to that, I expect her to have to told him already. So, I am half way to confessing, and asking him not to get mad, BUT... I will hold fast for now and not confess. If it does work out, it could be great!

Yes, Zala ... I am not very Unmoved lately. It takes this guy to get me to act like a total nutter! Of course, between you and I, I've always been a nutter, but only potentially. Now, someone has brought it out in full glory. It is somewhat liberating, yet unnerving!

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But this is **you** sweetie, my little Scorpio rising ;-))

I am suspicious, aren't I?

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posted September 27, 2009 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
HIS MOM REPLIED!!!

She said she will get me the addy asap!! And added a few things that I could send him. Yay!!

I think a plan is coming together.

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posted September 27, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Yay!!!!!

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posted September 27, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Zala~ I know right!

He likes some things that I like too which made me smile. His mom said that this was an excellent idea!!!

I am excited.

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posted September 27, 2009 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
He shared this song with me. It touches me.

Breathe Me by Sia

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posted September 27, 2009 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad Michael isn't in hell after all!! Yay!!! : D But I'm especially glad that such sweet vibes have been passing between you two guys... I'm now totally invested in this story!! : D

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posted September 28, 2009 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message

I'm a little more than happy to hear this about the green light on the care package and that things are progressing!!!

Enjoy every minute.

8th

HI ZALA!!! xoxoxox

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posted September 28, 2009 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
OMG, that song is from my favorite show, Six Feet Under. I cried my eyes out during the last episode (ugh, if you'd watched it, you'd know what I'm talking about!)


But I am so happy for you, Unmoved! You should change your screen name now to Touched. Wait, that sounds weird

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posted September 28, 2009 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
MVM~ oh, your mind and the gutter are inseparable!

I did watch the first season and then it all dwindled from there so I wasn't able to watch the final season of Six Feet Under. So, with that said, I need to go to my video store and hire it because Michael insisted that I watch the thing! Insisted.

He also said that it was the most emotional thing he has seen on tv. So, I can't wait to see it.

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