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somethingexcellent
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posted June 21, 2013 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Higher vibrations require both knowledge and acceptance. Positivity is indeed good! But it can become sedation and denial too. Popularity doesn't always mean expertise. I mean, I'm not advocating for a degeneration in content, but I think the feel is that when ti comes to touchy issues, people have to tiptoe around it and add frills so it doesn't scare or unsettle.

I dunno, not my forum, I'll just grin and bear it. My strong opinion is only mine after all.

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posted June 21, 2013 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, SunChild was wrong, and so are you. The Forum was closed to cool things off only. It wasn't a punishment to anyone. The other matters were dealt with in the interim. Much of it was taken care of behind-the-scenes, but be assured that all has been settled. I actually pulled all of the Mods in DD. It wasn't a punishment to any of them. I chose to Mod it alone for a time. X said he was probably leaving, so why re-Mod him there? As always, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but do try to get your facts straight. You mention "occasionally removing whole forums." Fact: This was the first and only time I found that course of action necessary.

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posted June 21, 2013 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Higher vibrations require both knowledge and acceptance. Positivity is indeed good! But it can become sedation and denial too. Popularity doesn't always mean expertise. I mean, I'm not advocating for a degeneration in content, but I think the feel is that when ti comes to touchy issues, people have to tiptoe around it and add frills so it doesn't scare or unsettle.

I dunno, not my forum, I'll just grin and bear it. My strong opinion is only mine after all.


What is there to tiptoe around? This particular Forum is expressly for those types of unsettling topics. People can talk about anything as long as they don't insult others, use extreme profanity, or post lewd/sexual content. And popularity and expertise go hand-in-hand. Keeping this site open for 13 years wasn't an accident or blind luck.

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posted June 22, 2013 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Faith, I promise I will get to responding to your comment. I am working on a game for my nieces and it is taking the majority of my free time. =)

I wanted to drop in and address the recent stir on this thread.

I think it is easy to get pulled into our own point of view and forget that the views beyond that perspective are valid. Especially the views which don't really jive with the experiences arising in our own world. Running a public forum is a difficult business which becomes increasingly difficult as the user base expands. The goal is to generate an ambiance which provides comfort to the greatest number of users possible. In many cases, this means behavior which could offend others becomes important to weed out. Something that forum users don't often notice is how easy it is for perfectly sane topics to veer off into mob mentality hell. I feel some credit needs to be afforded Randall as the single person tasked with making LL a welcoming place for all its users. Sometimes this means shutting things down and pi$$ing off smaller groups of people, in the hopes of maintaining balance. A lot of times users don't see everything happening behind the scenes and when pieces of information are missing, we tend to fill in the blanks with conclusions which seem most logical (or at least probable) from our vantage point. I don't know Randall terribly well, but he strikes me as a guy who would answer a polite and non-accusatory question regarding any decision he makes in LL. Overall I think Randall acts out of the best interest for LL. I am reminded of the exile of Sweet Peas and how perhaps against his initial desires, he listened to our requests and modified it instead of dropping it altogether.

That being said, I feel there is also validity to the complaints voiced. Part of the difficulty of having volunteer moderators is that they often turn out to be just as inappropriate as the people they report. The only problem is, they then walk around with high and mighty attitudes instilling the fear of God into those they deem unsavory. Some of the most inappropriate, bigoted, and quite frankly ban-worthy content I have read comes directly from Moderators. There is often so much tension between mods that it's not horribly rare to see them burst out into fights, then jump from that thread into another and take their frustrations out on users who happen to get carried away with their own topics.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Sweet Peas was getting WAAAY out of hand. It just didn't seem to be much of a contrast when there were also thriving threads about Muslims being evil in one room, a gay bashing rally to stand in solidarity with Chik-fil-a in another, and threads filled with moderators bickering and bating each other. Just because those messages are often written without cursing or the mention of sexual conduct, doesn't mean they are any less damaging to the overall enjoyment or image of LL. I know you do your best to step in when those kinds of threads get out of hand, but you can't get all of them and that leaves the outside perspective feeling like some get picked on while some are free to run amok.

I think SE has a valid point, even if there is nothing which can really be done about it. There was a richness of sharing/camaraderie which used to take place in LL but no longer seems to exists. You said Randall, "This particular Forum is expressly for those types of unsettling topics. People can talk about anything as long as they don't insult others, use extreme profanity, or post lewd/sexual content". But those were the rules of Sweet Peas before the big fiasco. Sweet Peas went from a forum where people felt open to connect in a raw an mature way, to a room filled with people talking about how depressed they are or discussing cosmetic surgery. The vibe in SP is broken because it was used as an example and put in time-out, while all the other rooms ran around and did their own share of naughty things.

Oh well, life goes on and it's just something that those of us who enjoyed that vibe will have to get over. It shouldn't offend you though when people express their frustration with having to find a new place to feel comfortable. LL seems to attract a lot of people who feel out of place elsewhere. When you turn their refuge into a situation which feels as if it can be taken away at any time, you turn those users into transients. Not everyone is going to be happy with administrative changes, but that doesn't make their frustration invalid or misplaced. Hurt feelings are not a debatable issue nor are they a request for you to justify your self. It's okay to just say, "I'm sorry things seem to have changed so much for you. I am open to hearing your feedback and am always interested in constructive ideas for making LL better".

Regarding Faith's comment. I was sick when DD exploded, so I have no idea what happened. I do know that some of LL's mods are (for lack of a better description) ridiculously out of hand. I was actually relieved to see my Mod status was changed, because I never felt particularly prepared/motivated to deal with moderating other mods. This means most of the time I just popped in, made sure all the Knowflakes were behaving, and went about my day. Meanwhile the Mods run around and pull each other's hair. Considering you have administrator access to LL, I'm certain this isn't the reveal of some big unknown piece of information. I don't think however, what Faith said really warranted the kind of response you gave. She expressed a view and you responded by essentially telling her that she is wrong and needs to get her facts straight. I get that it sucks when you always have to be the bad guy, but this is not personal, it's forum moderation. I'm sure taking the time to explain the scenario to a person who is not aware of the whole situation (and therefor obviously doesn't have all the facts) is much more productive than being insulting.

Finally, I have no plans for leaving LL. I was just expressing my frustration at seeing the same frustrating people being frustrating. Back in 2011 there was a user who made me want to scalp her every time she posted. It happens, people can be frustrating, no rage quits are in order. I really enjoy this thread as a sanctuary from the external drama and would appreciate if we can keep the energy which seems to have made LL so frustrating for me, from spilling over. Please feel free to respond, but let's not turn this thread into another LL debate. I accept LL as Randall wishes to shape it, with the full understanding that I am not the only person he has to make LL and inviting place for. If it ceases to be a good place for me, that's my responsibility to deal with.

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posted June 22, 2013 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xiiro,

Aww, games for the nieces again!

Thank you so much for your thoughts here. Hopefully Randall won't be offended by our unsolicited feedback but see some value in it, and it'll contribute to positive changes.

Randall, to be clear, I am very appreciative of this forum and thank you again for providing it.

But there is a pattern here, where person after person leaves LL, complaining about the mods, whose behavior in some cases is egregiously belligerent, sneaky, foul, and provocative. To hear that these mods are doing a "superb" job makes many of us feel like you just turn a blind eye to their extravagant shows of immaturity and aggression.

For many of us, this detracts from our enjoyment of the LL community. And for some, it prompts them to leave.

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Faith, SunChild was wrong, and so are you. The Forum was closed to cool things off only. It wasn't a punishment to anyone.

You may not have meant it as a punishment, but when you are mid-conversation with people in a forum, perhaps emotionally invested for the time being, communing with someone, and the forum just vanishes, it can be perceived that way. As if the person in charge simply doesn't care about feelings of the people conversing there.

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As always, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but do try to get your facts straight. You mention "occasionally removing whole forums." Fact: This was the first and only time I found that course of action necessary.

First and only is a "fact"? You removed Sweet Peas before DD, so it was at least the second time (and I've only been here two years.) How am I supposed to know whether or not this is standard procedure? For all I know, you intend to keep addressing problems this way.

Thanks for reading, if you read this.

Best wishes, all.

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posted June 22, 2013 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, Sweet Peas was a different situation. I had planned on closing it completely and transferring the nonsexual topics to other Forums over time.

X, thanks for your input. Your experience in being a long-time Mod of another large site provides a unique perspective. I agree with much of what you said. But this part is wrong, as many here at LL would concur: "There was a richness of sharing/camaraderie which used to take place in LL but no longer seems to exists." I guess each of us sees what we want to see based upon our internalized feelings; however, as the Admin here, I have to be impartial and see things from all vantage points. I see more sharing than ever before here, as it's not just among a small close-knit clique like in 2010 and prior (which intimidated Newflakes), but the sharing is now across-the-board.

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posted June 22, 2013 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So is anyone else in here? I rather enjoyed the sense of easy privacy truth be told.

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Xiiro
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posted June 22, 2013 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm here =) I moved the topic out because it was evolving into something which doesn't belong in this thread. Granted, this is Faith's thread so it's not really my position to dictate, but I enjoy the vibe we created here and didn't want the thread to be shut down.

I like to feel this thread is a place people can come to feel comfortable, heal, and discuss life mundane AND profound; a place we can put our feet up on the furniture. Randall will always be welcome, however this is not a place for people to fight, insult, or tell others they are wrong for having a specific view. The conversation was threatening to roll in that direction, so I pulled it out.

I think we all said what we needed to say, I know I did. This is a place where catharsis occasionally happens so if it's said in here it is generally venting. I don't think Randall understood that when he decided here was the place to stand up to dissent. If people want to challenge Randall's decisions in a constructive way, it's best for the prosperity of this thread that they do it elsewhere =)

Now that is working on smoothing back out, how did you find that info on applying, partile, and separating aspects SE? If you want to get a feel for it, pay attention to the hours of the day when the ASC transits your personal planets. It's also pretty easy to notice through lunar transits.

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posted June 22, 2013 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I thought it was informative! I notice a lot of astrology really is just reasoning and interpreting things in a surprisingly simple way, then hashing out the meaning as you look deeper into it, ie. the faster planet is approaching the slower planet, therefore it can show as the start of something, or simply the "approach" of something. Easy peasy!

Honestly when I first began looking into astrology, I thought of everything having its own specific meaning and then the meanings interacting, which was close, but that was more like textbook memorisation; "Mars = action, cause, forward movement". It can be easier to learn than that though! Mars = name of the god of war, and war is action and cause itself. It seems like a small difference, but it's pretty big if you think about it...one is just remembering what you read, the other is thinking for yourself and discovering the meaning, which provides a better understanding of it, I honestly think.

I dunno, just goes to show that thinking is an individualised process, not something you exactly learn in school.

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posted June 23, 2013 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too true. I think it's easier for people to begin with trait memorization, because those insights of simplicity are best understood after years of seeking some mystical and arcane depth. If someone told me at age 16, "oh, the astrological Moon is not just "emotion", but the web of personal experiences we weave into a home; a safe space of familiar experiences/objects and personal reflection. The more dense the web becomes, the more gravity pulls us to those experiences we consider "home", or away from things we consider discomforting" It wouldn't have completely clicked. I had to learn that the Moon has no atmosphere, so any imprint made on the surface stays for like a long memory; that the Moon plays a part in determining chemical, hunting, mating, growth and shelter seeking cycles for plants and animals all over the earth (thus influencing the creatures of earth's domestic needs of); That the Moon's most apparent influence on the earth (aside from reflecting the Sun's light) is the gravitational pull it exerts; That the gravitational pull slowly shapes the foundation of the earth and therefor changes the very shape of our home over time. Then I could look back and think, "Wow, after taking the time to get to know and pay attention to her, I actually understand the Moon".

It is astounding for me, how simplicity gives way to wisdom.

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posted June 23, 2013 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was beautiful, How do you think Venus' harsh environment is symbolic of the meaning we give it? I tried to give it thought, but whatever I got was kinda far-fetched and you'd have to bend sideways and squint to see the relation lmfao! Ah well.

As a Scorpio Venus, do you find yourself kind of having...uh, I guess dissembling tendencies. I like to think it might be the "divide and conquer" mentality of the Mars influence on Scorpio, but I often value things as having their own places with like items to the point of people. My Cancer friend always gives me heck because I used to have a "secret life". Really, I was just involved with different social circles at the time along with the circle she was in, and I never really mixed the two. She says normally people talk about their other friends too and it's like a 'let's all hold hands sharing and caring' deal, but I think that's just her Scorpio parts wanting to know exactly what I'm doing behind her back and being pissy when she doesn't know.

Also I saw this quote and I think my own Scorpio Venus was enthralled:

6. Don’t fight your demons. Your demons are here to teach you lessons. Sit down with your demons and have a drink and a chat and learn their names and talk about the burns on their fingers and scratches on their ankles. Some of them are very nice.

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^
Cool fact in vedic astrology Venus is the teacher of Asuras (demons/Anti-gods)
He is the enemy of the sun and jupiter in Hinduism

I never saw venus in scorpio as a bad placement, I think it just over energizes venus's demonic/lustful nature. Which I suppose is bad but honestly I love disney villains so I'm not the best person to talk about morality... Since I find flawed characters the most exciting.

I guess this is why Taureans are considered tyrannical because deep down venus is not that pleasant.

Venus is benefic but the not same way as jupiter.
It's benefic for humans because it gives all the pleasures of life if well aspected.

lucifer also represented as venus, I think.
I'm not that into biblical stuff. I try to study it but it bores me

This is the Hindu representation of venus if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukracharya

I personally think of the astrological Venus as a feminine/ transgender man and the moon is the most feminine astrological body in my opinion. The pure representation of woman.

Venus is what man/society wants a woman to be, desirable.

I have noticed lunar men tend to be soft and tender while Venusian men are passionate and akin to oscar wilde/dorian grey archetype.

I like the Vedic interpretation of mercury, the bisexual prince of the zodiac (not genderless). I do to relate to that being highly mercurial.

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posted June 23, 2013 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Faith, Sweet Peas was a different situation. I had planned on closing it completely and transferring the nonsexual topics to other Forums over time.

X, thanks for your input. Your experience in being a long-time Mod of another large site provides a unique perspective. I agree with much of what you said. But this part is wrong, as many here at LL would concur: "There was a richness of sharing/camaraderie which used to take place in LL but no longer seems to exists." I guess each of us sees what we want to see based upon our internalized feelings; however, as the Admin here, I have to be impartial and see things from all vantage points. I see more sharing than ever before here, as it's not just among a small close-knit clique like in 2010 and prior (which intimidated Newflakes), but the sharing is now across-the-board.


I never did see a clique, and was never a part of it. I felt separate from almost everyone. It was when I started to open up - and they were really sweet to me (and still are), that I started to see where my own anxiety had hobbled me; they didn't know what to do with me, because I was so quiet. Not that I get along with everyone, and I still don't always know whom to trust, but that is related to 2010.

I get curious when people mention others who really bring out a strong emotion in them, but I won't ask who it is. I'm full of questions and lacking in the self-discipline to hold myself back now, so I mention it and then disappear. Sorry to intrude, and hi Faith!

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posted June 23, 2013 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel, I don't think X wants this discussion on Faith's thread. Suffice it to say that there are a lot of opinions about those cliques in general, and they all stem from a lack of information as to what was and is really going on. Only a few are privvy to the truth. But I am always doing what is best to protect Lindaland. You were never a problem, Teasel. Rant over. Carry on.

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posted June 23, 2013 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How do you think Venus' harsh environment is symbolic of the meaning we give it? I tried to give it thought, but whatever I got was kinda far-fetched and you'd have to bend sideways and squint to see the relation lmfao! Ah well.


There is a lot Venus physically has in common with its archetype. Venus is known as the archetype of beauty, value, and quality, but how does that manifest personally?

In her most superficial form Venus represents aesthetic beauty. Venus's surface is molten, volcanic, craggy, and hostile, but her atmosphere is so dense it took us a long time to discover the underlying complexity beneath her soft feathery facade. Venus's orbit also traces the shape of a 5 pointed star every 8 years. The 5 pointed star is directly related to "phi" or the golden ratio. The golden ratio is a measurement found in almost everything we consider aesthetically pleasing. Alternately, when something does not have measurements proportionate to phi, it is often considered unattractive. Much of aesthetic beauty is related to covering up our flaws. In a sense the contrast between Venus's appearance and her actual face reminds me of "The Picture of Dorian Gray. While hidden turmoil wreaks havoc, Venus projects a pleasing image.

From the perspective of earth, Venus is either introducing the sunrise or announcing the sunset. In our social lives Venus represents the topics and images we toss out in front of us, in an attempt at making our Sun relatable, interesting, or valuable to others. Our Venus is also often the light we hope people will remember us in.

Those are a couple ways the planet relates to the archetype.

As for the feeling of wanting to disassemble, I'm not sure I follow. I do however have many "secret lives" as your friend might put it. It is rare my closest friends meet the people I date, for example. It isn't a matter of shame, I just like experiencing both parts of my life separately. If I were to get married, I'm sure that would change, but those just aren't parts of my life I enjoy mixing. My friends are the same way actually. They all have groups of friends I only know by name. My best friend has a whole other group of friends who like me and always invite me to events, but I usually decline, because I feel it ruins the variety for my friend.

I liked your quote, it's very Buddhist

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
lucifer also represented as venus, I think.

Yup

QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
I personally think of the astrological Venus as a feminine/ transgender man and the moon is the most feminine astrological body in my opinion. The pure representation of woman.

Venus is what man/society wants a woman to be, desirable.[/QUOTE]

I agree, both Venus and Mars are gender exaggerations pertaining to form, but not function. I would be very sad if men walked around all day acting like Mars.

teasel: I hope you won't feel like you have intruded, you are welcome to join the conversation anytime. =)

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posted June 23, 2013 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^
Cool fact in vedic astrology Venus is the teacher of Asuras (demons/Anti-gods)
He is the enemy of the sun and jupiter in Hinduism

I never saw venus in scorpio as a bad placement, I think it just over energizes venus's demonic/lustful nature. Which I suppose is bad but honestly I love disney villains so I'm not the best person to talk about morality... Since I find flawed characters the most exciting.

I guess this is why Taureans are considered tyrannical because deep down venus is not that pleasant.

Venus is benefic but the not same way as jupiter.
It's benefic for humans because it gives all the pleasures of life if well aspected.

lucifer also represented as venus, I think.
I'm not that into biblical stuff. I try to study it but it bores me

This is the Hindu representation of venus if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukracharya

I personally think of the astrological Venus as a feminine/ transgender man and the moon is the most feminine astrological body in my opinion. The pure representation of woman.

Venus is what man/society wants a woman to be, desirable.

I have noticed lunar men tend to be soft and tender while Venusian men are passionate and akin to oscar wilde/dorian grey archetype.

I like the Vedic interpretation of mercury, the bisexual prince of the zodiac (not genderless). I do to relate to that being highly mercurial.


I just remembered, Adolf Hitler is one heck of a tyrannical Taurean.

His venus/mars exact conj in the 7h is squared by Leo saturn in the 10h.

Just sayin'

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posted June 24, 2013 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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teasel: I hope you won't feel like you have intruded, you are welcome to join the conversation anytime. =)

Right! Hi teasel! Your input was appreciated and come back whenever you like!

Wow, it got crowded in here over the weekend -- very interesting reading.

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posted June 25, 2013 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally! I promise I didn't forget your Faith!

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Are you better yet? I hope it's nothing serious

Not yet unfortunately. I just got back from the hospital, no healthier or better educated than when I went in lol. I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow to have some cameras check things out and get a better idea of what is going on. The garden is doing very well thanks. I have half in a low maintenance state and am looking for the right combo of plants to make that happen on the shadier half. I did some trimming and picking a few days ago. I made spaghetti squash with pesto and pecan, onion, and nutmeg stuffed grape leaves, it was all so yummy.

My diet habits have been failing over the past few months (excluding the entire apricot tree I devoured), because I have been saving up to pay off my land. Last Friday was my final payment, so hopefully I can get back on track. I certainly have enough spaghetti squash, tomatoes, and herbs to make that happen. This is an off year for the fruit trees in my picking area. Next year there will be a lot of fruit. =)

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it's amazing to me how fast my hunger comes on when I am trying to get through the morning with just fruit and juice. I feel like nothing short of a truckload of fruit will satisfy.

Try juicing a medium size watermelon. They are surprisingly filling. Just don't mix it with any other food, otherwise you will become a gas beast.

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Our perennial strawberry crop is producing cute, delicious strawberries now. We don't have to do any work to make them thrive, they just show up every year crying "eat me!!!" so we obey as do the birds and microfauna.

This sounds exciting and reminded me of when I last visited my aunt. I noticed she had several fat, juicy strawberries growing in her front planter. When I commented on them she said, "Oh, we don't eat those they are sprayed with all sorts of poison". I think I stared at her for a second as if she had responded in Japanese. The whole concept of having beautiful fruit growing in your yard but not wanting to keep them edible is just weird to me. Those wineberries sound yummy. Have you ever made jams or baked with them?

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I also finally tasted a young Thai coconut. It was slimy and weird. I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to be because it was my one and only. I know I have to try again, but it's more out of duty and obligation than young coconut love.

Congrats! The gods will be pleased. Yeah the meat is a bit gelatinous, but the water is really refreshing. You have to try one freshly cracked open. The meat shouldn't be slimy as much as it should be like slippery toothsome rubber (sort of the texture of dolphin or stingray skin). I am a slave to the baby coconuts. I would eat them every day if they were in that kind of supply.

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I love it. He's like a pied piper of strangeness.

LOL! indeed. Strangeness and insight, have you seen his most recent video?

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Hard to heal fixation issues when you are the object of the fixation.

Definitely. I find it is usually the best option in that situation to step back.

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Pluto creeping up on my sun already has me wondering if I should lay in a good supply of St. John's Wort or something.

LOL it won't help =C. To be fair, it's not a bad transit when you know it's happening. A lot of the struggle comes from the new building intensity and not understanding why it's happening. If you know when the wave is coming, it is much easier to know when to hop up on your surfboard.

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Do ever you get like that? Like nowadays one of my kids will ask me something and I try and think of a reply but every word seems to disrupt the spirit of the question that was asked. My Sag son is funny about it: "And once again, Mom says... absolutely nothing!"

Unfortunately I don't get like this due to my Virgo autopilot, but I understand the feeling. In times like those I tend to settle for the words I feel will best bring happiness to the person. They aren't the "right answer" but for the situation, I consider them the best answer. Something I cherish is when the bond between me and the person is such that silence is the right answer. I have sat for long periods of time with close friends, saying absolutely nothing.

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this part of the Sutta isn't very clear to me:

And while this explanation was being given, the hearts of the 1,000 monks, through no clinging (not being sustained), were fully released from fermentation/effluents.

Weren't they clinging to the explanation meanwhile? I don't mean to nitpick, but I just want to get all I can out of the things I read that seem like they could enrich my understanding.


Several sutras end similarly; the Buddha gives a speech and a bunch of monks have an ah ha! moment. I have some theories, but I can't pretend to know the true answer to your question. One theory is, the Buddha chose his words very carefully. When he gave a sutra, they were not intended to be dictated to monks who would write his teachings down and passing them around to other monks. The Sutras were compiled after the Buddha died and all the monks got together and started writing down the sutras they remembered. This is why most sutras begin with the phrase "I remember when the Buddha was...". The way the Buddha taught was usually tailored to the people in his company, he never taught with a message tailored to a generic audience. It becomes very obvious that the Buddha was teaching whatever was right for the moment and likely never thought, "this is going to be studied for thousands of years". This makes the sutras difficult to translate, because not only are they second hand accounts, there is obviously innuendo untranslated which pertained to whatever struggles were taking place among his audience.

Another theory is that the Buddha selected the ideal words, tone, and inflection to facilitate awakening from those who listened to him. Enlightenment is like having a word on the tip of your tongue. You know it, but you just cant remember exactly what it is. Some believe the Buddha could see what was on the tip of your tongue and provide you an ah ha! moment, if you were open to hear it. Again, this make s the fact that sutras are second hand information a bit frustrating.

I am inclined to believe that, because this particular sutra took place during a retreat, the monks had spent days meditating together and gaining instruction. The Buddha taught meditation technique, so I am under the impression many of the monks at the retreat had been guided to a specific meditative space and were able to discover awakening after hearing this teaching.

"the hearts" the language this sutra is written in uses the same word to describe both "heart" and "mind" of the 1,000 monks, through no clinging (not being sustained)," this means, they had been practicing "not clinging" and had reached a meditative place where they no longer had to maintain awareness of "not clinging". Not clinging had just become part of their regular awareness were fully released from fermentation/effluents their minds became so smooth that nothing could cling"

It is possible to listen without clinging. Any time we listen without having internal dialogue comment on what we are hearing, we are listening without clinging. The clinging comes when we start picking apart what we hear and attaching positive, negative, or indifferent emotion to the conclusions we come to. These monastics were listening without judging and that lead their minds down a river of conceptualization into a vast ocean of understanding. That's what happens when you ride the river all the way down without grasping every branch that sticks out from the shore. =)


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That movie looks so good, I'll see if I can rent it from my library.

Oh, Billy Elliot is an awesome movie. It may not be something you want your kids to watch though. Dunno, there are some political and coming of age sexual topics which get tossed around a bit.

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I saw that and thought of you...interesting how the centaurs go a-grazing!

HAha have you seen a Taurus at a buffet?

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I once read a great book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic, where the author, an MD, showcases the similarities between modern medicine and religion...right down to the priestly robes (white lab coat.)

Why not, one claims to save your body and the other, your soul.

I hope your week is going well. ttyl =)


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posted June 26, 2013 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for remembering me!

I'm trying not to worry about you too much. You had to go to the hospital huh?

I'm sure you'll be fine, you are a health nut after all! But "tests" and doctors taking pictures of one's innards just makes me nervous.

Good luck at your appointment today, please let us know if you get an "all clear" or diagnosed with an easily fixable problem so we can be relieved along with you. (I'm also curious if you have something serious but out of respect for your privacy won't ask for details.)

Best wishes!

ttyl

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you for remembering me!

I'm trying not to worry about you too much. You had to go to the hospital huh?

I'm sure you'll be fine, you are a health nut after all! But "tests" and doctors taking pictures of one's innards just makes me nervous.

Good luck at your appointment today, please let us know if you get an "all clear" or diagnosed with an easily fixable problem so we can be relieved along with you. (I'm also curious if you have something serious but out of respect for your privacy won't ask for details.)

Best wishes!

ttyl


Thanks love. There are no results of anything yet. Today I just had to see my GP to arrange appointments with specialists. So far nobody has a conclusive idea about what's wrong. My grandfather died of colon cancer several years ago and I have been showing a few symptoms of something similar. Most of this big ordeal is precautionary. There's nothing to worry about at the moment. I'll keep you posted though.


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Is it cool if I creep and catch up on this thread?

Your conversation's engaging.

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Is it cool if I creep and catch up on this thread?

Your conversation's engaging.


Please do

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posted June 27, 2013 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Xiiro,

Thanks for letting us know, I'll just stay worried but act strong for your sake

Keeping your situation in mind.

@mockingbird

Yes, jump in at any time! Mi Xiiro thread es su Xiiro thread.

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posted July 03, 2013 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Xiiro!

Are you okay? I hope you're okay.

^ That's my visual representation of "okay."

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Last Friday was my final payment, so hopefully I can get back on track.

Hooray! Final payment! Congratulations. =)

I hope that means you can eat better. I love my new mostly raw diet but have to say I am still a bit worried about getting all my B-12...'decided to eat some animal protein (raw cheese and sardines) and take supplements. I haven't been able to sufficiently answer my questions about whether or not any long-term raw vegans have succeeded with keeping their B-12 at a safe level.

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Try juicing a medium size watermelon. They are surprisingly filling. Just don't mix it with any other food, otherwise you will become a gas beast.

Ha! I will proceed with caution. Actually I blended up some watermelon first thing this morning and it was oddly satiating. I didn't crave any more for a few hours.

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The whole concept of having beautiful fruit growing in your yard but not wanting to keep them edible is just weird to me.

It almost frightens me, how people are. No offense to your aunt of course.

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Congrats! The gods will be pleased.

*trying not to make this giggle a belly laugh* Thanks for remembering Them.

Yeah the gods have this thing where they want to be cannibalized I think? Like Jesus? "This is my body, eat it in remembrance of me." Coconut gods are like that, wanting you to eat coconuts so you can be filled with their Spirit.

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I am a slave to the baby coconuts. I would eat them every day if they were in that kind of supply.

I would eat them more if they weren't so sculptural. Nice pointy heads and cylindrical smoothness, as if someone carefully hand-crafted it. To look at that and say, "Well, guess it's time to get the hatchet out"....just doesn't sit right with me.

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Those wineberries sound yummy. Have you ever made jams or baked with them?

Pardon me, I must profess amnesia. Maybe I made some berry sludge with them, the way I do with our strawberries and blueberries. Good over ice cream. =)

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LOL! indeed. Strangeness and insight, have you seen his most recent video?

Beautiful. Thank you.

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Something I cherish is when the bond between me and the person is such that silence is the right answer. I have sat for long periods of time with close friends, saying absolutely nothing.

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
These monastics were listening without judging and that lead their minds down a river of conceptualization into a vast ocean of understanding. That's what happens when you ride the river all the way down without grasping every branch that sticks out from the shore. =)

You describe that very well and give me a faint glimmer of what the feeling may have been like, just listening to someone enlightened addressing the moment at hand. I'm serious and regret that I may sound hyperbolic but words are so darn tricky...

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HAha have you seen a Taurus at a buffet?

LOL! Yes, I'm sure! My Taurus friend from childhood still writes me letters and it's so cute that she always tells me what her diet is like and what her new favorite food is. (It's panini, now.)

In one of my fondest memories of guessing someone's birthday, I was sitting with a coworker who was eating pink snowball Tastycakes and drinking Mountain Dew. I told him I could guess birthdays and he said, "When was I born?" "Uh...mid May," I replied. He freaked out..."How'd you know how'd you know?!" "Your food. Look at that. Taurus!" Busted. =)

Sending this off and hoping it finds you free of sickness, free of worry.

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Xiiro!
Are you okay? I hope you're okay.


Yep, so far so good. No word from the doctor yet, but no news is good news. =) Thanks for the pretty picture.


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Originally posted by Faith:
Hooray! Final payment! Congratulations. =)

I hope that means you can eat better.



It does. =) I have been doing cooked vegan for the past couple weeks, and will transition to raw again if all is well with me. I made a yummy veggie soup today. :P

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Originally posted by Faith:
I love my new mostly raw diet but have to say I am still a bit worried about getting all my B-12...'decided to eat some animal protein (raw cheese and sardines) and take supplements. I haven't been able to sufficiently answer my questions about whether or not any long-term raw vegans have succeeded with keeping their B-12 at a safe level.

I'm glad you're finding a diet you like. It is good that you are approaching with caution and education. =)

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Originally posted by Faith:
Actually I blended up some watermelon first thing this morning and it was oddly satiating. I didn't crave any more for a few hours.

Trippy hu? Pomelo (ermergerd yum!) and Grapefruit have the same effect on me.

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It almost frightens me, how people are. No offense to your aunt of course.

None taken. She is a very airy Libra/Stepford wife and just a little out there (I have a feeling she is also Sun conj Neptune). I spent my entire childhood only seeing her at extended family holiday gatherings. When I was about 17 she somehow found out I was gay. She showed up at my house, picked me up, took me to the theater to see "Priscilla Queen Of The Desert", and gave me an ABBA's Greatest Hits CD before dropping me off... That day still confuses me.

Being 1994, that was an outstanding show of support though. I know my family accepts me, but she was the only one to ever make a supportive gesture like that. So aunt Dorothy is a little weird in a "don't eat the decorative strawberries" kind of way, but we lover her.

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah the gods have this thing where they want to be cannibalized I think? Like Jesus? "This is my body, eat it in remembrance of me." Coconut gods are like that, wanting you to eat coconuts so you can be filled with their Spirit.

Ah the Coco-Eucharist, holy sacrament or drag name?

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Originally posted by Faith:
To look at that and say, "Well, guess it's time to get the hatchet out"....just doesn't sit right with me.

I'm okay with it. They are like tree oysters.

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Originally posted by Faith:
Pardon me, I must profess amnesia. Maybe I made some berry sludge with them, the way I do with our strawberries and blueberries. Good over ice cream. =)


LOL Berry Sludge. That needs to be a product name.

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Originally posted by Faith:
In one of my fondest memories of guessing someone's birthday, I was sitting with a coworker who was eating pink snowball Tastycakes and drinking Mountain Dew. I told him I could guess birthdays and he said, "When was I born?" "Uh...mid May," I replied. He freaked out..."How'd you know how'd you know?!" "Your food. Look at that. Taurus!"

ROFL! Sounds about right.

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Sending this off and hoping it finds you free of sickness, free of worry.

Thanks =) I hope all is well with you and your family.



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