posted January 03, 2014 01:53 PM            

The girl (she's still older than you and has a MBA) who wants to have lunch with me obviously took a liking to my corporate title and education. Perhaps being on the Dean's List and President of the Law Review, or whatever, would go very far.

posted January 03, 2014 02:01 PM            

Regarding making money being easier for men, I don't doubt that. It's also easier if papa made his money too. Bill Gates, Donald Trump.. Their dads were already wealthy.

posted January 03, 2014 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Alright Aquaguy, I don't/didn't go to bars/pubs/clubs/wild parties/slutwalks. Perhaps you should try that too. And dress well and have a genteel persona (not saying you have no manners). Speak in complete sentences (not saying you don't) and exercise your SAT vocabulary. Be learned, worldly (not saying you aren't) and be passionate about what you believe in.

The girl (she's still older than you and has a MBA) who wants to have lunch with me obviously took a liking to my corporate title and education. Perhaps being on the Dean's List and President of the Law Review, or whatever, would go very far.

And no free IPads. The 64GB 3G version sells for $829, without the cell contract.

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posted January 03, 2014 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I never doubted that you are smart or have good grades. Deploy those and make good use of them.

An overbearing father would still not compensate for what you are faced with. If you are broke, then do something about it. Not gripe about how unfair life is. That wouldn't get you very far. Of course, life is unfair. But don't make excuses. Do something.

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posted January 03, 2014 02:44 PM            

I was broke in college. But I made my own money. I saved and invested heavily in the stock market, leveraging myself to the max. I borrowed money on a credit card to buy stocks. If that wasn't risky, then I don't know what is. I left college with more than a half million dollars made on my own in pure cash. Having a highly financially astute girlfriend helped a lot. I bought myself an apartment with cash and no mortgage. I also bought myself the car I wanted. No, my dad didn't contribute a penny. Again in cash.

I see a whole lot if complaining in this forum. I don't see action.

Regarding my Mrs., she likes the fine life but she's no gold digger. My sole source of income is my job. I've lost my job seven times. Never was there an issue. We adjust our lives accordingly.

Yes. I went to a very very good school. I paid every penny of graduate school. I didn't have one nice car. I had two. I bought both new with my own cash. I bought another one for my wife when she was my girlfriend. What don't you guys understand about me expending my blood sweat and tears to be successful?!

posted January 03, 2014 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
But don't tell me that guys who busted their azz at the gym or in their careers are making your social life difficult. The rich pr1cks will remain rich pr1cks. If you don't want to be like them, don't be a pr1ck, but become rich because we all know it helps with dating. To some extent.

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posted January 03, 2014 02:56 PM            

This is life. There is nothing leftover for second place. Winner takes it all. Loser has to fall. OK I'm old. Abba came to my mind. Sue me. Lol.

posted January 03, 2014 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
If you were a woman, would you want the richest, best looking happiest nicest guy around? I know I would!! Heck I'll wear my dresses tight if I needed to to get that guy.

This is life. There is nothing leftover for second place. Winner takes it all. Loser has to fall. OK I'm old. Abba came to my mind. Sue me. Lol.

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posted January 03, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
You want women to play within their league. What if a woman that is far beyond your league wants you badly? Are you going to say No out of moral principle?

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posted January 03, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
You want women to play within their league. What if a woman that is far beyond your league wants you badly? Are you going to say No out of moral principle?

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posted January 03, 2014 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Mockingbird,

I was broke in college. But I made my own money. I saved and invested heavily in the stock market, leveraging myself to the max. I borrowed money on a credit card to buy stocks. If that wasn't risky, then I don't know what is. I left college with more than a half million dollars made on my own in pure cash. Having a highly financially astute girlfriend helped a lot. I bought myself an apartment with cash and no mortgage. I also bought myself the car I wanted. No, my dad didn't contribute a penny. Again in cash.

I see a whole lot if complaining in this forum. I don't see action.

Regarding my Mrs., she likes the fine life but she's no gold digger. My sole source of income is my job. I've lost my job seven times. Never was there an issue. We adjust our lives accordingly.

Yes. I went to a very very good school. I paid every penny of graduate school. I didn't have one nice car. I had two. I bought both new with my own cash. I bought another one for my wife when she was my girlfriend. What don't you guys understand about me expending my blood sweat and tears to be successful?!

Luck? Yes I've been lucky. God loves me. He lives you too. That part I don't control. What I do control is making rational decisions and taking sensible risks. Borrowing money on credit cards is not smart. Risking it to make more money is logical rather than spending it on food and drink and vacations.

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And that's admirable - I'm not saying that it isn't.
I'm simply agreeing (!!!) with a point that you made above that money talks when attracting women.
Some of those women are gold diggers.

[An interesting sociological aside - you don't have to be conventionally wealthy for that to apply; I've seen a fair share of otherwise broke enlisted guys leave small towns with a local wife on their arm simply because those women saw a chance at social mobility/to get o-u-t and then found themselves divorced and paying child support at the magical 10-year mark (when military policy mandates that divorced spouses are owed a portion of the military member's retirement).]

Your wife is not a gold digger.
Some of those women you slept with in your youth...they might have been, if you were less savvy.
I've also seen a fair amount of newly well off, very intelligent (usually tech) guys genuinely perplexed that the hot woman that they adored (and who gladly let them foot the bill for everything) had no more affection for them than they would have for a nice pocketbook - and who they would gladly dispose of them as soon as they outlive their usefulness.

That's actually one reason I have immense respect for the Gates - they seem to be Geek partners through thick and thin (or thin and thick).

posted January 03, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes, exactly. Like me, I don't have much money and have no interest in bars/clubs so my opportunities to meet women are next to zero except for online dating . I could go to church and meet a woman but most churchy women are too uptight for my tastes. Btw I was mostly joking about the religious stuff above.lol

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I still think interest clubs or (and you're going to hate to hear this) just getting older will do a lot for your dating pool. People moan about young being jerks, but young women can be just as jerky (or relatively shallow and inexperienced).

And some of the women might jump down my throat for this, but I believe that nice guys do genuinely gmhave it harder, especially while young.
My husband, for instance - I didn't meet him until he was 32. By all accounts (his own, friends, family) most of his dating life was a trail of tears. With woman after woman, he'd open himself up, practically flay himself to make them happy, do *everything* for them...and then get cheated on or generally shat upon.
When I first met him, every 5th word out of his mouth was "sorry" - it had become his reflexive response after he said anything that was (to me, anyway) witty or funny.
His last girlfriend *b*tched* him out about everything and then *b*tched* him out about being sad.

I didn't set out to change him when we got together - I lived him just as he was - but I have seen such a huge difference in his confidence levels and assertiveness. He seems genuinely comfortable in his own skin now, and all he neede was a little live, support, understanding, and appreciation.

Sometimes it takes awhile to find that.

...had more to say, but the baby's awake.

posted January 03, 2014 03:51 PM            

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I still think interest clubs or (and you're going to hate to hear this) just getting older will do a lot for your dating pool. People moan about young being jerks, but young women can be just as jerky (or relatively shallow and inexperienced).

And some of the women might jump down my throat for this, but I believe that nice guys do genuinely gmhave it harder, especially while young.
My husband, for instance - I didn't meet him until he was 32. By all accounts (his own, friends, family) most of his dating life was a trail of tears. With woman after woman, he'd open himself up, practically flay himself to make them happy, do *everything* for them...and then get cheated on or generally shat upon.
When I first met him, every 5th word out of his mouth was "sorry" - it had become his reflexive response after he said anything that was (to me, anyway) witty or funny.
His last girlfriend *b*tched* him out about everything and then *b*tched* him out about being sad.

I didn't set out to change him when we got together - I lived him just as he was - but I have seen such a huge difference in his confidence levels and assertiveness. He seems genuinely comfortable in his own skin now, and all he neede was a little live, support, understanding, and appreciation.

Sometimes it takes awhile to find that.

...had more to say, but the baby's awake.

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posted January 03, 2014 04:20 PM            

I know that it must be difficult on a personal level for Padre to have so many women constantly hitting on him in bars, and to constantly have to reject them - for their own good. He keeps telling us about this on every thread, so I get that this is a serious problem for him (whether it is imaginary or real - we don't know... but it is real to him, so that's all that matters)
Why he even had a famous woman try to give him a bj in the toilet of a bar. And I can only imagine how difficult it must be to reject a famous person, considering their social influence and power.

I also get that AG is having his own personal issues with women. It seems every girl he tries to date is rude and nasty towards him. They don't like his nice guy approach. They only like bad boys etc.
Then there are the women who offer him unwanted sex which is even more upsetting. Again, as with Padre - whether this is imaginary or real --- these issues are very aggravating for him.

Finally - YTA does not have issues with dating since he is happily married - but he does have his own perspective on dating which he always points out when Padre and AG start mentioning their personal issues. YTA's perspective is that women don't care about nice guys and bad boys. What women care about is success and money. A guy who is successful and has money can get women to date him regardless if his appearance and other personality traits.
This may well be accurate for some people - earthy people. I have a Capricorn Mars like YTA and I am much more impressed by hard work and achievements than I am by physical appearance.
But again - this is subjective. From YTA's perspective though - it applies to all or most women across the board.

Now---- I understand all of these perspectives and issues you guys have - but quite apart from your personal views and your personal issues... There exist other problems in this world.

posted January 03, 2014 04:42 PM            

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT ME. Do me a favor please. FUSKING READ WHAT I WROTE. Thank you very much. That's all I ask. Read what I wrote.

posted January 03, 2014 04:49 PM            

For the record...guys with a lot of money always made me feel a little weird and out of place. I grew up in what could be a very similar environment to yours (very rural, most people who live there have their roots in the Ozarks of Missouri or Arkansas, families migrating west Grapes of Wrath style).

Both of my parents grew up dirt poor.

My mom had money, was very concerned with money, divorced my dad (who is a very kind man and a good father) because she didn't think he was ambitious enough, and married a man who had money but didn't really like or "get" kids. I was disgusted by them, quite frankly. So no...not every person out there, whether they have money or not, is interested in money.

When I moved to the city I was poor for a variety of reasons. I was poor the entire time I lived there, even when I started working in a reasonable field. Social services do not pay well.

When I met my husband (at a music show/party where we were both friends with some of the band members) he did not look or act as though he had money. He did, and he is an engineer (although he was trying to get away from his corporate life when I met him).

It's still our goal to get him out of the line of work he does, and live closer to the earth...we're just debating on how much comfort we want to give up.

posted January 03, 2014 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hell, I even made a bet against AQ to wager that money and career doesn't matter. Only manners and intelligence. Clothes don't matter. Cars don't matter. I even said a fat ugly farting lard azz like me can pick up dates by not being a jackszz. Only behavior matters.

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posted January 03, 2014 05:09 PM            

Why in the world would I be on a Jihad?

And what am I wrong about?

That is exactly what you always say - that women are interested in success and money primarily and not so much in good looks or other things.
???

Am I in a parallel Universe?
You always say this.

posted January 03, 2014 05:12 PM            

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posted January 03, 2014 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

Yes. You are.
You are selectively only noticing certain things and ignoring others.
What was wrong with the last Aquarian girl you met - the girl who you said was physically clingy? Is she also with a jacka*s now?
Did she dump you?

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