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Topic: Sl*t Shaming
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Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 04:48 PM
  
Aquaguy - You are very hung up on gender differences.. and it's pointless.
If you want to be happy in life you have to look at the bright side.. The similarities will bring you much more joy - than focusing on the differences. Also - it is not widespread.. so I'm sorry - but if you are so sure it is "widespread" - that is your own lack of intuition talking. This thread was not about gender differences.
The differences are irrelevant. People - Human beings - have human rights at national law and also under international human rights law, e.g. under the ICCPR.
Whether you are male or female as a homo sapien you enjoy these rights and freedoms.
Harassing other people (e.g. sl*t shaming) on the basis of gender, is to some extent illegal and certainly immoral.
Period.
There is absolutely *nothing* "natural" about this.
There is nothing 'natural' about harassing or abusing another person socially - for their sexual behaviour - simply because it does not conform to your "standards" on gender roles. If we are going to pin this down on "human nature" (as Padre tried to some pages back) - while we are at it, we could also pin down murder on 'human nature'... Maybe it's just "natural" to want to shoot someone in the head sometimes... so maybe we should forget all about that pesky little "right to life"... and go around shooting people when we feel like it.
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Violets
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posted January 02, 2014 04:49 PM
But that's not what I asked, AG.I am asking if you ever LEAVE the state, or spend extended periods of time in the cities there or elsewhere? If the answer is no, you may want to contemplate your perspective. I really don't mean to sound offensive, and I don't think that you're a bad person or anything. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 04:52 PM
Violets - I've brought up this issue about cultural differences in different towns, cities and countries - a few times in other convos.. and it doesn't seem to get through.IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 02, 2014 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Violets - I've brought up this issue about cultural differences in different towns, cities and countries - a few times in other convos.. and it doesn't seem to get through.
Oh.
Well okay, then. That's unfortunate.
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Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 05:14 PM
I'll be honest - This is purely personal and not related to the thread topic.AG - You seem genuinely obsessed with finding "the one". It really feels like an obsession. I think you need to come to a point where you feel like you are *fine* and happy - all by yourself.. to then attract the right woman.
Think about what would make you happy in life.. what you really want for yourself (outside sex and relationships).. Focus more on you and self-improvement, so you get to a point where you feel confident and happy, with your personality, with your body, with your career, with your hobbies.. Padre - You, on the other hand - seem truly obsessed with "bad boys" - not so much with women... and you seem highly competitive and angry in this context.
Do you notice how this is all you ever talk about? In almost every thread it goes back to you mentioning "bad boy" types. Life is not a competition for you to win.
You do not need to top every man in town to feel better about yourself. Please relax. I don't know many guys who are quite as competitive or quite as angry as you are Padre. It might be the Aries AC vibe.. I don't know. You really have this ultimate dream to be the ultimate Alpha... and everything in your life that detracts from that depresses you. Please stop this competitive madness and just appreciate and be grateful for the things you have in life! You're perfectly fine and attractive and OK - exactly as you are. You don't need to go around playing "mine's bigger than yours" with every Joe. Because women are just a tool in this, from your perspective. Lets be honest!!
Your goal is to "win"... and the opponents in your mind are other men.
Women are also spectators (in your view on things).... Kind of like if you were in a gladiator arena.. with women onlookers - and you beat the crap out of every guy - you would suddenly be very happy.. and your ego would be content. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted January 02, 2014 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
But that's not what I asked, AG.I am asking if you ever LEAVE the state, or spend extended periods of time in the cities there or elsewhere? If the answer is no, you may want to contemplate your perspective. I really don't mean to sound offensive, and I don't think that you're a bad person or anything.
And my point was yes, I do. Just last week I was in St.Louis,Mo. I have visited many other cities and states as well. I explained the way tennessee is to you because a lot of people have misconceptions about Tennessee. You seemed to imply there aren't many cities around here, when the reality is there are a lot of cities here.
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aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I'll be honest - This is purely personal and not related to the thread topic.AG - You seem genuinely obsessed with finding "the one". It really feels like an obsession. I think you need to come to a point where you feel like you are *fine* and happy - all by yourself.. to then attract the right woman.
Think about what would make you happy in life.. what you really want for yourself (outside sex and relationships).. Focus more on you and self-improvement, so you get to a point where you feel confident and happy, with your personality, with your body, with your career, with your hobbies.. Padre - You, on the other hand - seem truly obsessed with "bad boys" - not so much with women... and you seem highly competitive and angry in this context.
Do you notice how this is all you ever talk about? In almost every thread it goes back to you mentioning "bad boy" types. Life is not a competition for you to win.
You do not need to top every man in town to feel better about yourself. Please relax. I don't know many guys who are quite as competitive or quite as angry as you are Padre. It might be the Aries AC vibe.. I don't know. You really have this ultimate dream to be the ultimate Alpha... and everything in your life that detracts from that depresses you. Please stop this competitive madness and just appreciate and be grateful for the things you have in life! You're perfectly fine and attractive and OK - exactly as you are. You don't need to go around playing "mine's bigger than yours" with every Joe. Because women are just a tool in this, from your perspective. Lets be honest!!
Your goal is to "win"... and the opponents in your mind are other men.
Women are also spectators (in your view on things).... Kind of like if you were in a gladiator arena.. with women onlookers - and you beat the crap out of every guy - you would suddenly be very happy.. and your ego would be content.
Actually I don't really care about those things anymore. I have other plans now, better plans.
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Violets
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posted January 02, 2014 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Violets:
[b]But that's not what I asked, AG.I am asking if you ever LEAVE the state, or spend extended periods of time in the cities there or elsewhere? If the answer is no, you may want to contemplate your perspective. I really don't mean to sound offensive, and I don't think that you're a bad person or anything.
And my point was yes, I do. Just last week I was in St.Louis,Mo. I have visited many other cities and states as well. I explained the way tennessee is to you because a lot of people have misconceptions about Tennessee. You seemed to imply there aren't many cities around here, when the reality is there are a lot of cities here.[/B][/QUOTE]Sorry, I do realize that there are some kick@ss cities in Tennessee. Don't get me wrong.
I would not, however, count St. Louis as a big city outing. Sorry.  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Sorry, I do realize that there are some kick@ss cities in Tennessee. Don't get me wrong.
I would not, however, count St. Louis as a big city outing. Sorry.
Really? Than what about Dallas, Atlanta, San Antonio,Houston, Chicago, Orlando , or Miami among others? IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Sorry, I do realize that there are some kick@ss cities in Tennessee. Don't get me wrong.
I would not, however, count St. Louis as a big city outing. Sorry.
Really? Than what about Dallas, Atlanta, San Antonio,Houston, Chicago, Orlando , or Miami among others? IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted January 02, 2014 05:40 PM
Oh my no Odette, you made a wrong read there.I'm far far from angry, I'm amused by it all. Mainly the male impulse to measure their worth based on their ability have sex with women or have a "hot" GF or what have you.
It seems so silly to me to measure oneself that way. Instead of just being happy I've seen guys drive themselves to distraction and obsession instead of just enjoying the whole process no matter the outcome.
On the larger point, I'm neither judge nor jury, I merely observe and draw a conclusion from my observations.
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aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Oh my no Odette, you made a wrong read there.I'm far far from angry, I'm amused by it all. Mainly the male impulse to measure their worth based on their ability have sex with women or have a "hot" GF or what have you.
It seems so silly to me to measure oneself that way. Instead of just being happy I've seen guys drive themselves to distraction and obsession instead of just enjoying the whole process no matter the outcome.
On the larger point, I'm neither judge nor jury, I merely observe and draw a conclusion from my observations.
I now see things in much the same way. In manosphere speak you could say I have taken the red pill. I get the impression that you have too. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:06 PM
Padre - I'm sorry but I don't believe you. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:08 PM
And I knew you would reply exactly what you did... so whatever Trevor! No surprises there. Don't think I don't see through you... Because clearly your posts are emotionally charged - and why would you redundantly mention 'bad boys' ad infinitum.
That's all you talk about - and all that you *selectively* notice in the world. Is Kerosene living on a different planet? Does he not likewise have your anatomy and your so-called "male" brain?
So why isn't he soooo obsessed then? If Kerosene told me he was lighthearted and amused I would believe him - because that is actually how he comes across. But frankly - you are lying. You have issues.. and you are not happy. A happy person does not post the way you do - on and on and on. And I am not stupid.. nor was I born yesterday. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:09 PM
AG - This is not about you. Nothing I said to Padre applies to you. Just clarifying - in case you get confused and reply to me.
It has no connection with you.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
And I knew you would reply exactly what you did... so whatever.Don't think I don't see through you... Because clearly your post are emotionally charged - and why would you redundantly mention 'bad boys' ad infinitum.
That's all you talk about - and all that you *selectively* notice in the world. Is Kerosene living on a different planet? Does he not likewise has your anatomy and your so-called "male" brain?
So why isn't he obsessed then? If Kerosene told me he was lighthearted and amused I owed believe him - because that is actually how he comes across. But frankly - you are lying. You have issues.. and you are not happy. A happy person does not post the way you do - on and on and on. And I am not stupid.. nor was I born yesterday.
You only perceive it that way because you don't like what he says. I perceive him as just being honest and objective. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:25 PM
AG - What makes you think that?
You have said previously that as a result of your Aspergers you don't always understand the layers of a situation..
So what makes you think you have it right in this instance?IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:28 PM
I definitely do not perceive Padre as objective to any degree whatsoever.
I do perceive him as honest. I've never said he was dishonest.And I don't like or dislike what he says.
I disagree with things that seem.. well.. idiotic? I guess that would be the word. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
AG - What makes you think that?
You have said previously that as a result of your Aspergers you don't always understand the layers of a situation..
So what makes you think you have it right in this instance?
Well that's true but IMO you can't exactly determine a persons emotional state through a computer. It's just words on a screen. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:32 PM
Well I think you can. So lets agree to disagree ^I am quite happy with my ability to determine a person's emotional state through a computer - after having interacted with them online for months, possibly years. My Pisces Merc is more than happy and confident in that ability. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted January 02, 2014 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
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Oh my no Odette, you made a wrong read there.I'm far far from angry, I'm amused by it all. Mainly the male impulse to measure their worth based on their ability have sex with women or have a "hot" GF or what have you.
It seems so silly to me to measure oneself that way. Instead of just being happy I've seen guys drive themselves to distraction and obsession instead of just enjoying the whole process no matter the outcome.
On the larger point, I'm neither judge nor jury, I merely observe and draw a conclusion from my observations.
I now see things in much the same way. In manosphere speak you could say I have taken the red pill. I get the impression that you have too. [/B][/QUOTE]Uhm I guess, keep in mind I've been around a looonnggg time, before the internet long time, well unless one counts the small networks that existed then. Red Pills, whatever, I'd say I just always have lived that way prior to 99's release of the Matrix and such things become more mainstream. Odette questioned my objectivity, which is odd in a way, what I did see what I saw? I have not had those conversations? Of course I did, that is not to say I hold women in contempt, that would be misogyny, rather I've seen the differences b/t men and women and do not buy into "same people just different plumbing" lines of thought. We are most definitely NOT the same, and that is based on observation not theory. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted January 02, 2014 06:38 PM
Oh I see why you mentioned "honesty"... because I told him he was lying earlier.Well Padre is generally honest.. I don't think he is dishonest in his beliefs or opinions or the things he generally expresses on here. However - he is not honest when it comes to *himself*..
He says things about himself that seem very untrue... like saying he was lighthearted and amused.. in his last post. Clearly - he is not amused, considering the tone of his posts on this topic.
If you compare his tone to Kerosene's tone (who *actually* is amused)... you can tell there is a difference. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Well I think you can. So lets agree to disagree ^I am quite happy with my ability to determine a person's emotional state through a computer - after having interacted with them online for months, possibly years. My Pisces Merc is more than happy and confident in that ability.
What's my emotional state then? IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted January 02, 2014 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I definitely do not perceive Padre as objective to any degree whatsoever.
I do perceive him as honest. I've never said he was dishonest.And I don't like or dislike what he says.
I disagree with things that seem.. well.. idiotic? I guess that would be the word.
I've been called worse... Just as an example, took my niece (whom I adore) her mom (my Brothers baby mama) and my mom out to dinner..we had a great time The Baby Momma is now trying her level best to hook up with me. That is something men do not do..period For her, it's fine, her relationship with my brother was a "short time thing, it doesn't matter" Uhm, yeah, men and women are completely the same..uh-huh, righto IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 02, 2014 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
I've been called worse... Just as an example, took my niece (whom I adore) her mom (my Brothers baby mama) and my mom out to dinner..we had a great time The Baby Momma is now trying her level best to hook up with me. That is something men do not do..period For her, it's fine, her relationship with my brother was a "short time thing, it doesn't matter" Uhm, yeah, men and women are completely the same..uh-huh, righto
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