posted January 04, 2014 05:45 PM            

I made the effort to outline every possible situation and context I could imagine in which a woman would go for a bad boy and her reasoning - some time ago.. on another thread that I can no longer find.
AG STILL did not get it.
Padre STILL did not get it.

Don't bother.

posted January 04, 2014 06:02 PM            

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Whether you choose to take on the social role - of a good boy or a bad boy - an alpha or a beta - a clown or a bearded-lady for that matter... It is not that relevant to attraction.
People who are in touch with their instincts will be attracted to those they instinctually recognise as *right* for them..
The people who are attracted purely based on the *story-line* between the two of you... are not actually in touch with their instincts at all.. and are simply replaying situations from their past *with* you.. or whoever else is there.

A woman who is attracted to someone who seems to play the role of a 'bad boy' socially can fall under different categories:

1. She genuinely is into him and he is also into her... and what it looks like from the outside - is a complete misinterpretation of what's happening between them.

2. She is not actually INTO him personally... but because she has low self-esteem, father issues etc... she is into the negative, emotionally hurtful story-line that he provides her with..

3. She has a Mother Mary complex and wants to fix everyone and make them better people.. so she has a desire to mother & save this guy whose life seems to be heading downhill - with drugs & bad behaviour.

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And... I said the following to Padre on another thread ^ which is basically along the same lines.
I'm SO tired of repeating myself.

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Two guys could behave the exact same way towards a woman .. and put on the exact same "player" type act - and she could be into one of them and not the other. That's because some people you have a bond with.. chemistry, an attraction ... and some you don't... and nothing can change that.

You can act like the biggest jerk or the nicest guy in the world .... If there is no chemistry, if there is no love, if there is no karma, if there is no synastry--- it won't mean anything because she won't like you anyway.

In this kind of situation- often the problem is - that - two people are very attracted to each other and one of them plays games and acts like a morron because of his/her own mental problems or issues in life.
So the other person stays and puts up with the crap behaviour because they still care or because they are afraid to leave and think they can't do better.

They are sometimes not attracted TO the behaviour - but they are attracted *despite* the behaviour so they try to ignore it or brush it under the carpet.

You are right to some extent, because some women are attracted TO the behaviour.... but you're ignoring the existence of all those women who are very put off by the behaviour (and hurt) ... but they still care about the guy in question *despite that*.... kind of like someone looking past a physical ailment or disease and standing-by the individual anyway.

And you're also ignoring the ones with low self-esteem who stay because they are afraid to leave.

So yeah - there's a percentage of women out there who are attracted to this and there are so many others who are not.

The problem is - regardless of the reasons a person has to stay with a ''jerk' - it will always send the jerk the wrong message.
Because the average self-centred player wannabe would not imagine that a woman is still with him -despite- his behaviour, although she is disgusted and put off by it.... because the average player/jerk is too 'simple' to understand the emotional layers there.

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posted January 04, 2014 06:09 PM            

It would be just as insane/ilogical for him to imagine - "Well she must like that have this physical ailment since she is still with me..."

posted January 04, 2014 06:15 PM            

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A little tip AG, women really do not care how "you" or "I" feel, what they care about is how "we" make them feel.

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Umm... No sweetie..
Women have empathy.
The biggest problem for the average woman is that she cares way too much about how she makes the guy feel - and forgets all about how he makes her feel.
Literally.

That's my point - that you don't seem to GET through your thick head.

And just as Ami and Faith were saying - it's also the main reason any woman would end up with this kind of guy.

Frankly - Judging by how little you understand women in general - because you truly have very LITTLE understanding of female psychology -- I have to wonder how many women you have actually been with... and if you really have.. I have to wonder whether you ever *listen* to anyone but yourself.. and your own BS.

Because what you just said about women only caring about how you make them *feel* and not about how you feel... is a pretty BIG mistake in judgment.
It's a real *stand-out*.

Also..

posted January 04, 2014 06:23 PM            

That's the only truth.

That's why we have astrological types and psychological types.

Earthy women - would want a guy who improves her life in a practical way, as you just mentioned SSS.

Would a woman with 5 planets in Pisces want this primarily in a man? It's doubtful!
She probably wouldn't even notice whether or not the trash was taken out - and she might even forget she owns a trashcan at all.

So it depends from person to person.

posted January 04, 2014 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Umm... No sweetie..
Women have empathy.
The biggest problem for the average woman is that she cares way too much about how she makes the guy feel - and forgets all about how he makes her feel.
Literally.

That's my point - that you don't seem to GET through your thick head.

And just as Ami and Faith were saying - it's also the main reason any woman would end up with this kind of guy.

Frankly - Judging by how little you understand women in general - because you truly have very LITTLE understanding of female psychology -- I have to wonder how many women you have actually been with... and if you really have.. I have to wonder whether you ever *listen* to anyone but yourself.. and your own BS.

Because what you just said about women only caring about how you make them *feel* and not about how you feel... is a pretty BIG mistake in judgment.
It's a real *stand-out*.

Also..

PS. This 'bad boy' issue - is not so damn significant.
It is not the new "world hunger"..
So please get over it.
You are acting as though this is some huge problem that every person has.
Many people are happily married or happily single - and not with a toxic person. Your fixation is your own problem.
Just like AG's.

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posted January 04, 2014 06:32 PM            

You do not know how to put yourself in another person's shoes.

There is no way I can give you a manual on "HOW TO" put yourself in someone else's shoes..

I wanted to help you understand - with my questions and both of you guys refuse to answer any of them.

I was trying to get somewhere - but you won't even answer what I asked you.

Nvm.

posted January 04, 2014 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Hannah - Btw.. They both have Capricorn Mercuries - conjunct at around 13 deg.. exactly squaring my Sun..
Lucky me!

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posted January 04, 2014 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
AG - You simply have zero - zilch - NO.. understanding from a woman's perspective.

You do not know how to put yourself in another pyou erson's shoes.

There is no way I can give you a manual on "HOW TO" put yourself in someone else's shoes..

I wanted to help you understand - with my questions and both of you guys refuse to answer any of them.

I was trying to get somewhere - but you won't even answer what I asked you.

Nvm.

You are starting to upset me.

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posted January 04, 2014 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Have you been drinking Odette?

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Poor ag. He seems to think this is some sort of supreme insult. He used it on me before Odette. It's child's play, as you know.

btw
a fun one
brought to mind.....

posted January 04, 2014 06:37 PM            

So ^.. for that reason he is never going to get it either.

posted January 04, 2014 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Poor ag. He seems to think this is some sort of supreme insult. He used it on me before Odette. It's child's play, as you know.

btw
a fun one
brought to mind.....

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posted January 04, 2014 06:41 PM            

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Actually I wanted to ask a couple more things..
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you unconsciously want modern women to escalate their self destructive behavior
Why would I subconsciously want this? What would be the reasoning?

Do you think it's human nature to be self-destructive.. or do you have other reasons?

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Monogamy, Religion,Morality, and patriarchy= successful and healthy society.
Why do you think some people are unhappy with this set up - and why would they actively rebel against it?
In particular - what reasons do you think a woman could have to rebel?

Presumably these women didn't simply wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and think to themselves.. "You know what - I'm living a perfect life.. I have everything.. Why don't I walk out the door and find something to rebel against? Just for fun!"

So what is *their* problem from your perspective AG?

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posted January 04, 2014 06:43 PM            

*correction: Padre's super-sized, testostorone-charged.. ego

Because this is what Padre's entire world revolves around.. and it's the only reason he keeps going on and on about bad boys.
Competitiveness and ego... and more ego.. and even more ego.

I understand he is triple fire - but *wow*.. I mean I just didn't realise the extent to which a guy with the Fire trine in his top three.. could be an ego-maniac.
The extent is surprising. I'm perplexed.

To some extent AG - this is also your problem... Because you are likewise angry that some other guy (who you see as a 'bad boy') got the girl and you did not.

It is classic masculine bs - masculine ego - masculine sexual competitiveness - comparing d*ck sizes and bla bla..

However - your ego is fairly normal.. I do believe your main drive is to actually find a girl who loves you.. and who you love. I think you're a romanic a heart. I am not so romantic myself, but I find it sweet in any event.
So for you - this ego thing is not at the *centre* of everything.

posted January 04, 2014 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Not intended as an insult. It's a serious question .[/B]

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B'llshit.

posted January 04, 2014 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Truth is, the perfect guy is going to do all kinds of neat stuff for his gf and she will do neat stuff in return for him then you have a successfully functioning partnership. That's the big secret.
And the ability to forgive.

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