posted January 02, 2014 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
My dear friend. I am afraid that you are inadvertently referring to yourself here. I have seen both women and men act that way. Hence I am not attributing that type of behavior to one sex or the other. Also, you assume that I am attributing these actions to a certain level of education or financial stability. No, I am not. I have seen people do this from all walks of life. When I see behaviors that give me red flags about someone, I walk away. See how that works?

Ask more questions and assume less, my friend.

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Hmm, if anyone was making assumptions Violets, it would be not me.

posted January 02, 2014 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Hmm, if anyone was making assumptions Violets, it would be not me.

I merely observe, and this is why I diverge from Odette, I've seen where it leads

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I just pointed out very clearly where you made assumptions in this thread. Quite clearly, although I didn't outline them in bold or anything (although I can if you need me to).

posted January 02, 2014 10:00 PM            

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And while we are talking observations, from my perspective, men who go on and on and on about the unfair aspect of the dating world and have unreasonable (yes your arguments are unreasonable) critical perspectives are usually of two types:

a) Bitter rejects who are trying to find a girl to be with them for all the wrong reasons, and looking in all the wrong social circles to find one.

b) Those who seem to not get the idea that there are women out there who aren't just that into you. And blaming Super Studs for this case scenario will not help your chances in landing that (ironically) sweet blonde at the bar.

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posted January 02, 2014 10:13 PM            

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I merely observe

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In bars...

posted January 02, 2014 10:18 PM            

It reminds me of this paragraph from the "Aries B@stard".. It's a tongue-in-cheek interpretation of Aries men, but I guess it works for Aries AC as well:

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THE ARIES B*STARD
Once upon a time, in the dark ages, there was this quaint little term known as a
man's man. Nobody quite knew what it meant. Except the poor, unfortunate thing who was the man's man's woman - and she died a horrible death, when she willfully stuck her head into the oven unto which she was chained. Then comes the enlightened nineties, and in minces the sensitive New Age Feeling Fellow. All of a sudden, a man's man must surely mean a gentleman of the pink persuasion, and gee, don't those scented candles look too, too, utterly, utterly?
Meanwhile, back at the camp, deep in the woods, a solitary male is yelling at the top of his lungs, beating a tom-tom and sticking pins into a blow-up doll that looks a lot like Hillary Clinton. This sad, lost soul is the Aries bloke. Bewildered by beauty myths, dumbfounded by day-care centers and completely baffled by consensual sex, he holds onto his masculinity as tightly as he holds onto his manhood (which is throbbing, if you must know)

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posted January 02, 2014 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
In bars...

You observe..... in bars.

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Everywhere, I'm always watching Odette, keep in mind my Scorpio and Pluto placements.

posted January 02, 2014 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
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You observe..... in bars.

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posted January 02, 2014 11:33 PM            

Yeah those were members of certain cliques, I’ve noticed that with Caucasian acquaintances whose family are not that strict (this is what I gather from their behaviour and stories about their families), then the competition is less aggressive. With the ones who’re from strict family, especially so if they are Asian, it isn’t just a competition, it’s a way to rebel against the values that their family impose on them and make them feel “stronger”. They treat the prudes with more contempt because to them, the prudes “strengthen” those values and “fail” at rebel. Kind of like “If you’re not with us, you’re against us”.

Cosmo, yeah they’re quite popular in the groups that I mentioned (and also popular with many other people that I know). Sometimes it makes me wonder if it’s a “standard” thing to read it and other magazines. I read it a few times and I think the message it conveys is that breasts, smouldering eyes, being a sex kitten, certain style of clothes and makeup...etc... are all for the purpose of snatching up a man. Clearly a lot of my acquaintances think so, hence they tend to say that “prudish” clothes n behaviour will lessen the chances of them getting a man and "fail" at life. I know many who follow the advices on cosmo mags to dress, flirt and behave, i.e: " Want a boyfriend? Go to the gym n don't forget to wear a little makeup to enhance your come-hither looks. Wink at those hot men. One will be yours in no time".

It is interesting that you brought up the point about some people thinking that sex and “love” solve all troubles. In my experience, it is quite common to hear women commenting that this or that person “need to get laid”, “need a boyfriend/man”, sometimes more crudely “need a good pounding”. If you’re sad – you’re not getting enough sex, go get some. If something goes wrong in your life – have sex and you’ll feel better afterwards.

posted January 03, 2014 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
There is NOTHING objective upon your perspective AG or yours either Padre. I am sorry but in order to cement one's opinion as something which counts as "fact," the argument in question needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and all we have to go on in this case scenario are your anecdotes; Most of which I personally have to question quite a bit.

I mean, if we are comparing anecdotes here then let me just say right off the bat that I have YET to encounter a successful woman in my social circle who suffers from a case of "bad boy lusting" syndrome. They might have had one or two bad encounters, but after that, you can sure bet that they don't open themselves to experiencing that situation again.

And while we are talking observations, from my perspective, men who go on and on and on about the unfair aspect of the dating world and have unreasonable (yes your arguments are unreasonable) critical perspectives are usually of two types:

a) Bitter rejects who are trying to find a girl to be with them for all the wrong reasons, and looking in all the wrong social circles to find one.

b) Those who seem to not get the idea that there are women out there who aren't just that into you. And blaming Super Studs for this case scenario will not help your chances in landing that (ironically) sweet blonde at the bar.

Now I could project this "opinion" onto you AG and Padre but I refuse to on grounds that there is no factual basis for me to do so. As such, maybe there should be times where you might wanna reflect upon your own posts and say "you know what? My opinion stems from my experience with my social circles. So maybe I shouldn't project that as a blanket statement on all women."

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posted January 03, 2014 01:05 AM            

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What happens when all sort of barriers are removed, women get tossed to the side as soon as their sexual value is seen as dropping.

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Nope, the reason **** shamming exists is not some sort or repressive impulse it is to spare the female from going to far.

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Yes indeed, times are changing, people however, do not change fundamentally.

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1) Where did you last observe something that backs up these views? What city were you in – and what actually occurred?

2) Do you think that the social phenomenon you mentioned – “a woman getting tossed to the side when her sexual value drops” – is morally wrong and discriminatory? Do you think social abuse like sl*t shaming is discriminatory?

3) Regarding your “human nature does not change fundamentally” comment.. Even if your view is that this is just human nature…if you do agree that it is also ‘morally wrong’ and ‘discriminatory’ – then, shouldn’t you fight against it? (as opposed to merely 'observe' and do nothing)

4) Do you think committing legal and/or moral wrongs other than discrimination, e.g. crimes (theft, murder, battery) – is also “just” human nature?

5) Is the fact that something is “human nature” – from your perspective… enough to allow people to continue the behavior… even if the behavior is morally wrong and has negative consequences on others?
i.e. Shouldn’t such behavior be chastised and punished?

6) When you say “spare the woman from going too far” – What do you think the consequences of “going too far” are for a woman?

7) Islamic law states that “fornicators” are to be flogged 100 times, and that, in consequence they are only allowed to marry “other fornicators or non-Muslims”. This sounds a whole lot like “sl*t shaming”.

Do you believe this is done as you put it – as a “repressive impulse” or – is this also done.. to spare the fornicators from going too far?
Should we perhaps adopt these laws in the Western world… you know.. just to spare the people… out of the goodness of our hearts.
Forget human rights! F**k it all.. Who cares? Right Padre?

8) As a hypothetical example… lets say Kerosene travels to Australia – serendipitously bumps into me… and we have hot, steamy sex all night long.. and then he travels back home. What consequences would this have for me?

I fail to see that there would be any consequences whatsoever… But please list any consequences you believe this could have on me. I’m curious.

9) Does this style of thinking, e.g. “sl*t shaming in order to spare the woman from going too far” – Would you say it places women in a strong position or in a weak position? Does it empower women – or disempower them?

10) Do you generally believe that women are “the weaker sex”? Do you believe that men are more powerful than women.. and that women are fragile and in need of protection?

posted January 03, 2014 01:31 AM            

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Padre - I have some questions..

1) Where did you last observe something that backs up these views? What city were you in – and what actually occurred?

2) Do you think that the social phenomenon you mentioned – “a woman getting tossed to the side when her sexual value drops” – is morally wrong and discriminatory? Do you think social abuse like sl*t shaming is discriminatory?

3) Regarding your “human nature does not change fundamentally” comment.. Even if your view is that this is just human nature…if you do agree that it is also ‘morally wrong’ and ‘discriminatory’ – then, shouldn’t you fight against it? (as opposed to merely 'observe' and do nothing)

4) Do you think committing legal and/or moral wrongs other than discrimination, e.g. crimes (theft, murder, battery) – is also “just” human nature?

5) Is the fact that something is “human nature” – from your perspective… enough to allow people to continue the behavior… even if the behavior is morally wrong and has negative consequences on others?
i.e. Shouldn’t such behavior be chastised and punished?

6) When you say “spare the woman from going too far” – What do you think the consequences of “going too far” are for a woman?

7) Islamic law states that “fornicators” are to be flogged 100 times, and that, in consequence they are only allowed to marry “other fornicators or non-Muslims”. This sounds a whole lot like “sl*t shaming”.

Do you believe this is done as you put it – as a “repressive impulse” or – is this also done.. to spare the fornicators from going too far?
Should we perhaps adopt these laws in the Western world… you know.. just to spare the people… out of the goodness of our hearts.
Forget human rights! F**k it all.. Who cares? Right Padre?

8) As a hypothetical example… lets say Kerosene travels to Australia – serendipitously bumps into me… and we have hot, steamy sex all night long.. and then he travels back home. What consequences would this have for me?

I fail to see that there would be any consequences whatsoever… But please list any consequences you believe this could have on me. I’m curious.

9) Does this style of thinking, e.g. “sl*t shaming in order to spare the woman from going too far” – Would you say it places women in a strong position or in a weak position? Does it empower women – or disempower them?

10) Do you generally believe that women are “the weaker sex”? Do you believe that men are more powerful than women.. and that women are fragile and in need of protection?

11) Other than discrimination on the basis of gender – what is your stance on other types of discrimination? Do you also feel that there are races that are “weaker” than other races?

12) Like I was asking AG (he didn’t reply earlier) .. What do you think I am hoping to achieve here? What do you think my reasons and motivations are to even create this thread?

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posted January 03, 2014 01:59 AM            

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I think you unconsciously want modern women to escalate their self destructive behavior as they have done since the beginning of time.

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That's an interesting answer. Thank you for your honesty.
I finally feel like we are getting somewhere in this thread.

posted January 03, 2014 04:38 AM            

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you unconsciously want modern women to escalate their self destructive behavior

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Why would I subconsciously want this? What would be the reasoning?

Do you think it's human nature to be self-destructive.. or do you have other reasons?

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Monogamy, Religion,Morality, and patriarchy= successful and healthy society.

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Why do you think some people are unhappy with this set up - and why would they actively rebel against it?
In particular - what reasons do you think a woman could have to rebel?

Presumably these women didn't simply wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and think to themselves.. "You know what - I'm living a perfect life.. I have everything.. Why don't I walk out the door and find something to rebel against? Just for fun!"

posted January 03, 2014 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Monogamy, Religion,Morality, and patriarchy= successful and healthy society. Feminism,secularism, no morals,and hook-up cultures=Total decay of society

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Ok sorry I know I said I'd stay out of this thread but that's where it's useful to understand how colonialism played a role in creating those "healthy and successful societies"

Yeah things might be decaying right now but that's because I'm sorry but the whole white male patriarchy thing really isn't working out. It's never been based on anything sincere imo. But that doesn't mean there was never an alternative or any other way of having morals

posted January 03, 2014 09:40 AM            

Are you on a crusade or something? You have your perspectives. The guys have theirs. Let sleeping dogs lie.

The world is tough. It is unjust. It is unfair. Equality is a utopian pipe dream. Just deal with it. Kick ass and take names.

posted January 03, 2014 10:17 AM            

It's because you're well off and well connected, YTA.

You could have one eye, severe scoliosis, and a bad case of Tourette's and there'd still be a certain segment of women who would wildly throw themselves in your general direction.

posted January 03, 2014 10:40 AM            

You could have one eye, severe scoliosis, and a bad case of Tourette's and there'd still be a certain segment of women who would wildly throw themselves in your general direction.

That is life unless you live on another planet

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posted January 03, 2014 10:42 AM            

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It's because you're well off and well connected, YTA.

You could have one eye, severe scoliosis, and a bad case of Tourette's and there'd still be a certain segment of women who would wildly throw themselves in your general direction.

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posted January 03, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Ok sorry I know I said I'd stay out of this thread but that's where it's useful to understand how colonialism played a role in creating those "healthy and successful societies"

Yeah things might be decaying right now but that's because I'm sorry but the whole white male patriarchy thing really isn't working out. It's never been based on anything sincere imo. But that doesn't mean there was never an alternative or any other way of having morals

And btw I'm not necessarily making a case for the Western view of feminism, since sexism is very much intertwined with racism and other forms of discrimination, but I still think it's a lot more complicated than saying women have just been increasing their self destructive behavior since the beginning of time lol

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posted January 03, 2014 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Actually I wanted to ask a couple more things..

Why do you think some people are unhappy with this set up - and why would they actively rebel against it?
In particular - what reasons do you think a woman could have to rebel?

Presumably these women didn't simply wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and think to themselves.. "You know what - I'm living a perfect life.. I have everything.. Why don't I walk out the door and find something to rebel against? Just for fun!"

So what is *their* problem from your perspective AG?

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