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Topic: everything you always wanted to know about men
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Cardinalgal unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 11:19 AM
Talking of the World cup... I've just come out with Costa Rica in a sweep stake we're doing at work! Whatdoyareckon??? Is it safe to say I can kiss goodbye to any chance of sweeping that stake?!  IP: Logged |
Betelgeuse Knowflake Posts: 33 From: England Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 11, 2006 01:57 PM
Yes probably lolThey attack with heaps of flair, but defend like penguins (I love penguins by the way, but not very mobile are they?) They do have a good player in Paulo Wanchope, who has legs longer than the English channel. But they have Germany and Poland in their group, they will do extremely well to beat either of those teams. You could always hunt down the guy who got Brazil in your office, and sneakily switch tickets with him  IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 02:43 PM
I'm so glad I'm over 30 and don't have to deal with all this horse-doody that comes with trying to relate while being and dealing with others who are young, insecure, shallow, niave, whathaveyou.Couple of things - Women seem to be becoming more man-like, in their attitudes towards relationships & sex - we're not really the chaste, pure of heart & intentions emotionally fragile little waifs of traditional sterotyping. No, not so much. Men seem to be becoming more female like, in that they get the sense that the opposite sex feels somewhat ambiguous about them. Like, we have no real use for them anymore (we have the best sex toys too). How do they react to that? Depends on the guy. And in all honesty, many women DO feel ambiguous about men. We're not as needy as we use to be. They can't get away with as much anymore. They're losing their strong-hold over the fairer sex, and that's somewhat troubling to them, on a universal, though subconscious level. And the more we break down the stereotypical gender roles in western society, the more difficult it will be to relate to each other. What are we suppose to expect from a man? What are men suppose to expect from a woman? Neither sex seems to know what's expected of them either. The ideals are in a state of flux, and we're all a little shifty because of it. IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 03:35 PM
pidaua**Do you think that having my own Pluto aspects presdisposes me relationships with those that also have pluto aspects?** just getting back to that query .. i couldn't give an answer simply 'cause i'm not sure .. i'd say there maybe a better than good chance of it .. .. point is .. i've only got my experience to go by (6 mjr. pluto aspects in my chart) .. so looking at one or two 'other' past charts .. i noticed they all have pluto aspects .. i don't know if that mean a predisposition for a pluto aspect 'native' or not .. .. but i do no for sure that i find scorp placements and plutonic vibes very magnetic .. maybe it's just that sense of unspoken empathy with someone who shares similar astro aspects and or placements in their chart .. .. i.e. before one even knows any of the other persons astrology makeup .. and then there is the theory .. or astro observation .. that women with harsh pluto aspects in their chart to mars often suffer violence at the hands of a man at some point in their lives .. .. similar with urns/mars .. i don't know how it works out for a guy with a harsh aspect between pluto and moon (or venus?) .. or urns to moon for that matter .. pluto aspects easily bring out some sort of 'power-depth-intensity' unconscious projection from a person .. so be easy to see how power conflicts could arise .. even unintentional ones .. it's been quite a while since i read any in-depth astrology articles that may relate to the above ..
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5070 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 11, 2006 05:17 PM
Good post Lioneye.IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 07:50 PM
thx AGOne more thing. The trouble is, many people see the opposite sex as mearly props, usefull in boosting the ego and creating a certain "in demand" image to the outside world. Females do this just as much as males. How many men are calling on you, trying to "get" with you? Oh, about TEN! They all want me soooo bad. Aren't I so special? So desireable? And that ex of mine still calls me. He's just pining for me night and day lol...loser." (replace "men" with "women", and "He" with "she" - still rings true.) Those are the people to avoid. Learn how to spot them, avoid them like the plague, and you won't need any dating books, tips, games...etc. IP: Logged |
mysticaldream unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 09:53 PM
Great post, Lioneye! I have to say that is the MOST honest thing I have read in a long time. You hit the nail on the head. Women are ambiguous (and ambivalent) about men. I believe you said that we don't know what to expect from men or even ourselves.........truer words have never been spoken girl AND the part about women wanting men for status to impress their girlfriends......SO TRUE! EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST!IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 10:29 PM
mysticaldream, you're too kind. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the breaking down of stereotypes is wrong. I'm just saying we're having some trouble adjusting, that's all. I dare say, the pendulum is swinging, and knocking out a few walls in the process. There's alot of resistance, from both sides. Yet still, the pendulum is swinging. Don't be afraid. Just be good to each other. Don't rack up bad karma, ya know? While we may not necessarily "need" men as much as we use to, we still need relationships. We still want to love and be loved. Men will never be obsolete, because they're still human, and still need that too. Let's just cut out all the distractions, and get on with that, shall we? IP: Logged |
mysticaldream unregistered
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posted May 11, 2006 10:45 PM
Lioneye, I agree 100%! I wouldn't trade places with my mother's generation and go backwards for anything. I think women in the past have started and stayed in relationships for a variety of reasons, often with their own happiness not being part of the equation. Women married because they were expected to; they stayed for the same reason (as well as for the security, they didn't feel like they could make it on their own). I think what we want are authentic relationships (at least I do). I think it would be great if we (women) would start being honest with ourselves and each other. Your honesty is refreshing!IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 12, 2006 01:37 AM
Yeah, Ambivalent is probably a more accurate adjective. I couldn't go back in time either. Not even 20 years. I'd rather shoot myself. IP: Logged |
cappyme Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted May 12, 2006 05:59 AM
Lioneye, thats so true. I'm 15, and I'm always getting pressurized to date people in an indirect way as its considered "cool" and its so annoying, I used to've a really great friend who just started looking down on me after she'd started dating, as though that dating made her more experienced and superior to me and its hard for me, as I do feel inferior at times. Anyways most of the time women use men to validate their self-esteem and criticize them when they're not able to meet their expectations. ------------------ Don't go to bed angry. Stay up and fight! IP: Logged |
double trouble gemini unregistered
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posted May 12, 2006 07:51 AM
hi cappyme, just want to say that i didnt realize you were so young, i must say u r quite mature for your age, i mean i remember u advising me on my problems too! u have a stable mind that knows whats right and what wrong, u r well aware abt the issues happening around u ,thats great! and abt the pressure u get from freinds, dont think abt it tooo deeply , at this age they are not going to gain anything from dating... im 24 and have not been dating anyone for the past 2 years now, alot of my friends are the same. dont worry n do it when u are ready for a relationship. IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon unregistered
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posted May 15, 2006 08:39 PM
*lalalinda* re: the vegas cheat query .. well the more eloquent gentlemen here took the words right out of my mouth .. however .. for the lalaland astrological record .. (as i read something .. about certain taurs with gem and virgo placements .. and being an airy bull myself ) in short .. i'd get more long term satisfaction by staying loyal to a partner .. than i would get from quick shag with a seductive stranger .. * * * aries sun on aries venus .. huh .. i'm off to score some shades .. 'n suncream factor 25 .. 
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lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1335 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 15, 2006 11:25 PM
Happy Dragon, really? you would skip a little huMAN comfort?  well good for you! I know sooo many men who have gone for the shag.  You know what they say "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas"  Your Venus is in Aries thats really cool what degree? My Venus is 24' 33" Taurus Happy Birthday Sweetie! IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon unregistered
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posted May 16, 2006 08:21 AM
**You know what they say "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas** .. nope .. didn't know that .. ** really? you would skip a little huMAN comfort?** .. that aint my perspective (why "man" in capitals?) .. **I know sooo many men who have gone for the shag.** .. no kidding .. IP: Logged |
1scorp unregistered
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posted May 16, 2006 08:58 AM
lioneye That's why I enjoy your posts. You cut through the BS and get to the point. Coy smoy... ________________________________________ Scorpio sun, venus, mars, mercury, and uranus Libra moon, pluto, and asc. IP: Logged |
LeylaLeFay unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 03:07 AM
Hmm.I hear some people saying that if you only pick a nice guy, you won't need games. I disagree. Here's why: I don't buy the hype about the "sweet shy nerds" making better boyfriends. They're not necessarily better/nicer guys. It's just that they aren't suave and good looking enough to get away with treating women like garbage. ...But they would if they could. Do not be deceived, for within every sweet, shy, geek beats the heart of an underdog who desperately wants to be the Alpha Male. I offer you this as proof: I know many girls who fell for the theory about going for "Mr. Sensitive." And it turned out to be the worst relationship they ever had. The girl makes the fatal mistake of thinking she is "SAFE" with Mr.Sensative, so she is open, honest, shares her feelings, and so forth. "He's a nice guy," she thinks, "I don't need to play games with him." Next thing you know, "safe" Mr.Sensitive becomes an @ssh*le. He starts thinking "Hey, If I can get this one hot chick, then that means I could get more of them!" and his ego goes all out of control and he starts acting like he's some kind of pimp or playa' or something. Men too are guilty of preferring the girl with Uranus tatooed on her forehead, and a few Pluto Squares thrown in for company. You have to play just as many games, with the "nice" guys as you do with the "bad" ones. Just because the guy is "Nice" doesn't mean he want's a "Nice" girl. In fact, he probably wants a b*tch. [Raise your hand if you've noticed all the nice guys fall for b*tches] IP: Logged |
Swerve unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 04:45 AM
Hmmm..wonder if I should start playing games and acting like an ******* then Leyla.If its so inevitable that all men are really like this, why fight it? Cynicism can only ever be false wisdom. Swerve IP: Logged |
Lauren unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 05:13 AM
hmm good person doesn't equate to shy nerd to me. My bf isn't shy or a “nerd” but he is a good person. He has morals and they are just my kind of morals.. since our Mercuries are trined and mutually sextile our moons which are conjunct.I also think the word nerd is just another box to put ppl into, like so many others. It’s almost as if there is a new box being born somewhere in the world every day. ‘Sex crazed male who only thinks with his penis’ is yet another (appropriate to this thread I would think). ‘Hopeless girl who needs a man so much, she puts on an act and plays mind games, to make sure she holds on to one’, yup nother box.. any takers? Or maybe you’d prefer the “So damn weird he/she can’t care less about societal rules, gender roles, psychological games or sex.. and is absolutely over all this crap” box. Gosh so many boxes… Who’m I gona call? Boxxx Bustersss!! Ya wish it was *that* easy to get rid of them. IP: Logged |
WaterNymph unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 05:39 PM
Leyla I don’t know if it’s charm or logic, but I find it difficult to disagree with your posts  Anyhoo, looking at this subject from a totally different angle, perhaps when a mate hurts "us" it's karma. The person did something bad in the past, and now they must suffer for their actions. Maybe accepting this, and bettering oneself may stop this vicious cycle of bad relationships. I suffer from the hands of karma too, but lucky, and thankfully, not when it comes to my love life. My Venus has no bad aspects…except squaring Neptune. But it only gives me starry eyes when in love…followed by a crash to reality it’s also a wide orb. Anyway, food for thought. ------------------ ;-) IP: Logged |
LeylaLeFay unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 06:09 PM
Lauren- I don't know who that was directed at, but I hope it wasn't me, b/c you'd be way off base. I was happily single for over a year before I found my current b/f. And for me that's breakneck speed. I usually wait at least 2-4 years between relationships.
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lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 06:11 PM
All I can say is - hang on, everyone. Most people become way more down to earth as they get older. They become more genuine, and want mates who are also genuine. Flaring egos and head games will simply begin to fade out of the equation. You'll see. Ah, but people must learn somehow. I guess it's a necessary evil that they have bash each other up in the process in order to grow as people. And someone who's beyond that nonsense will simply say "no thanks" to a game player or an insecure dude who dreams of being the man, or even a secure dude who's a raging egomaniac. Just say no. IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 17, 2006 06:11 PM
P.S.: Mr. Right (or even Mr. Better) doesn't have to be the shy guy, the nerd, the dork what-have-you. Genuine people come in all shapes & sizes. Even some hotties are actually genuine people, looking for genuine relationships. I know - I've met one or two along the way in my travels.  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5070 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2006 07:38 PM
I agree with Lioneye. I'll also say that you really have to stay open to the possibility that a person can be good. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Newflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2006 08:30 PM
[Quote]If you have to 'trick' someone or employ some kind of elaborate plan in order to 'hook' them without their knowledge, then I feel that's a rather underhand and ultimately empty way to begin a relationship. Fine it might work at the start, but then you'll have to spend the rest of your days together consumed with the task of 'not giving up the honey pot' and always looking over your shoulder to make sure he's following; when instead you could be relaxing and enjoying the honesty [Quote]I agree with CardinalGirl,game-playing becomes consuming. There is a movie called "Two Can Play at that Game" that definitely demonstrates how this can ruin a relationship.Its where this woman thinks that little games can keep her man from straying. Unfortunately, in the end she ends up losing him only to end up getting him back after a tearful apology. But then again, this post was tongue in cheek. Unfortunately, this post can be true for some men because some men want to have their cake and eat it too. Some men want what they can't have. In the case of those men, dump their sorry a$$es-don't hang on to them. IP: Logged | |