posted May 19, 2006 12:12 PM            

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Thanks so much for that beautifully phrased reply AG - love ya mate!

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You're welcome. Nice to be on the same wavelength.

My Venus is Sagittarius, and my Mars is Scorpio.

posted May 19, 2006 12:36 PM              

I don't think guys look at it much differently. If a woman will hop into the sack with him when she barely knows him, she'll probably hop into sack with pretty much whomever she wants, whenever she wants and that doesn't instill confidence in her ability to be a faithful life-mate to him.

Remember, at the most primal level, for men it's all about perpetuating their genes. This is best done in a monogamous relationship, so as to avoid unknowingly rearing another male primate's offspring, and/or having a bunch of fatherless children running around, living in poverty, pining for a strong male presence in their life. We see too much of that in modern society already, and it's proven to be detrimental to everybody, especically the child. Most men do want to plant their seeds as far and wide as they can. More seeds, more perpetuation of their genes. But, who ends up raising their seed, very often alone?

Now, women seem to hold the burdon of upholding the moral fibers of society. It's a role we pass on to each other, because frankly, somebody has to do it. Females are better equipped, because our sexuality, like our genitals, are not overt, they are tucked away for a reason. To protect society from rampant hedonism, which is detrimental to all of society. We have the burdon of baring & raising children, so we also have the burdon of keeping a hold of our mojos, for everyone's sake. The stakes are alot higher for women than they are for men. It's not an equal playing field - blame mother nature for that.

Without family values, we're all going to hell in a handbasket.

Now, if we could just get some equality on the domestic front, we may start liking men again, and things will be just fine.

*rant over* - steps off of soapbox.

posted May 19, 2006 02:47 PM              

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We have the burdon of baring & raising children, so we also have the burdon of keeping a hold of our mojos, for everyone's sake

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I would say that was perhaps more the case before the advent of the pill etc when contraception freed women of that burdon a great deal, but I accept the concept that too much of anything tips the scales unfavourably. However, I would still argue that it's up to the individual to choose what they feel is too much/too soon for them personally

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Now, if we could just get some equality on the domestic front, we may start liking men again, and things will be just fine.

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posted May 19, 2006 04:49 PM              

Now, I do agree that two consenting, well adjusted, mature adults have every right to spend their leisure time however they see fit. Problem is EVERYBODY thinks they are well adjusted, mature people, and we all know THAT'S not true. People, especially girls, have sex for all the wrong reasons sometimes. We have to equip them better before we send them out into the sexually obsessed world.

posted May 19, 2006 05:47 PM            

Before you lecture me on who I can be involved with, maybe you could ask first if I am with someone like that. The answer is NO - that does not mean I won't associate with them. Other than their being too horny for their own good - they are good people. Their desparate actions gross me out, but I am sure they will grow out of it. Some of them are still under the age of 24.

If a woman wants to get drunk and screw a man on the first night then she should expect that things may be ONLY for sex. If a man strung her along JUST for sex, then I'd think of them as even more disgusting.

posted May 19, 2006 05:48 PM              

Of course I understand your concern as a mother and I admire your care for your daughter. My mother has always been very protective of me but I'm so grateful to her for her honesty and her encouragement of me to make my own decisions once fully informed about the dangers and the positives of a situation. I've never felt 'burdoned' or judged, but simply empowered to make my own choices and consequently, I've chosen freely and safely who I wanted to have sex with and when, and have never had a pregnancy scare or a disease. And I'm rather well endowed in the bust department myself!

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Problem is EVERYBODY thinks they are well adjusted, mature people, and we all know THAT'S not true.

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That's as may be but I feel we all still have the right to choose

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posted May 19, 2006 06:11 PM              

Well, no we don't want terrify them about sex. It's a perfectly natural topic between my daughter & I. But, the straight facts are not all sunshine & roses either. The way guys generally look at girls at that age is not good. They'll trick them in anyway they can, manipulating them with false sentiments of affection (maybe not false, but certainly fickle) - I don't want her to "decide" to have sex with a boy, thinking that it will mean something really big for both of them, only to have her heart broken the following week because he's become interested in someone else. And some guys take a long time to grow out of that stage.

posted May 19, 2006 06:22 PM              

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But, I'd really like them to choose it for the right reasons - not to win someone's affection, not to manipulate someone, not to get attention, not to be "the man" - simply because they're mutually attracted to each other, inside & out, and neither one is being led down the garden path by the other.

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posted May 20, 2006 12:54 AM              

You obviously have low standards for who you call a "good" person.

You need to get around a better class of people, rather than these men who boast of going "hogging" for desperate fat girls who'll do anything for a bit of affection.

posted May 20, 2006 02:47 PM              

Biological programming aside, I'm personally still of the opinion that it's an individual decision as to when two people determine the right time is for them to have sex, and not according to a set of 'rules of engagement' set down by someone else.

Some relationships are more physical than others as that's the way that those 2 people naturally feel comfortable expressing themselves to one another; others are more cerebral, emotional or platonic. Sex being a very individual and personal experience, I feel it's entirely up to me to decide when I indulge in it and with whom and for whatever reasons are clear to both of us involved. As I said in an earlier post, "As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or yourself, do what feels right to you." And that would include taking sensible precaution not to harm someone by placing them at risk of disease or unwanted pregnancy.

Personally, I don't try to steer a relationship in any particular direction as I find the old "Que Sera, Sera" concept works best for me - I'm personally happy to just see how a relationship develops and pans out rather than deciding at the start at what stage I'll do this, that and the other. That would be too coreographed for me. But I understand that it suits others, and therefore I wouldn't dream of imposing my 'rules' on them. Each to their own.

posted May 20, 2006 05:20 PM            

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