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AcousticGod
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posted May 14, 2012 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just learned that Charles Munger is a Capricorn. This is Warren Buffet's business partner who is known for his clarity of thought.

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posted May 15, 2012 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks T!

We're starting to assimilate all of the gifts now. It's great having all matching silverware. Love it.

Last night I cooked dinner in a new pan, served myself in a new bowl, and ate with new silverware. It was great. Felt indulgent compared with the austerity I've become accustomed to.

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posted May 23, 2012 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So glad to hear it.

She's a lucky girl to have scooped you up

Lifetimes of happiness to you both.

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posted June 27, 2012 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wife and I went to a pre-candidate meeting down at City Hall last night. It was interesting that we were the only quiet ones in the small audience. I guess first born or alpha types are drawn to politics. There were definitely a couple of people I wouldn't have voted for in the room just based on their personalities. There was one young Libra-seeming guy who seemed like he'd be alright.

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posted July 20, 2012 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two pages I thought you might find interesting.

1) you might have clicked on this one-> Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism - but who knows?

2) Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson quotes:

“... there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.” ¯ Neil deGrasse Tyson, The Sky Is Not the Limit: Adventures of an Urban Astrophysicist



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posted July 20, 2012 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Node,

You guys all left me!

Yeah, I've been to the skeptical science site before a number of times. Like I told Randall recently, the real climate scientists have taken the skeptics far more seriously than the skeptics would believe. Every angle ever attempted by skeptics has been thoroughly analyzed and dissected, and the real climate scientists are STILL convinced about man's contribution.

Things like this are disturbing proof that some people will be fooled by anything that's plausible. Of course it's worse that they stop there -at the first plausible theory that seems to coincide with what they'd like to believe- instead of taking a more balanced approach and weighing all plausible options against one another.

Farmer beats grocer when the subject is growing food, just as it is with this. Climate scientist beats Conservative blogger. Climate scientist beats oil-company employed "scientist". Climate scientist beats meteorologist. The only thing Climate scientist doesn't beat on the subject of climate is another climate scientist, but they're vastly in agreement, and we're reminded of this every time an article comes out about the effects of the warming, which is virtually daily.

I want to give the skeptics the credit for wishful thinking, but I don't really think it is wishful thinking. I think it is just stubborn thinking. The actual junk science is a reality they want to believe is true, and because that reality doesn't intersect with their lives in any meaningful way, they can get away with the wrong belief. Their paycheck and their livelihood don't depend on them being right about this, so they refuse to think critically.

Zala just recently posted a Tyson quote, too, on Facebook. I liked what he said in that one, and I like what he says in yours. It's absolutely correct.

Thanks for giving the opportunity to empty my head about this subject. It's one of the most ridiculous I've spent time on. When did we start dreaming up conspiracies around science?

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posted July 20, 2012 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The IPCC and NOAA and associated scientists' paychecks and livelihood depend on them keeping the gravy train rolling.

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posted July 20, 2012 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of science, I have a sincere question for you, AG. How do you rationalize a belief in Astrology when science debunks it? Just wondering how you reconcile this in your mind. As adamantly as you defend climatologists due to them being scientists, why aren't you a skeptic of Astrology? Or do you argue that Astrology is true despite a mountain of scientific evidence to the contrary? I know how I reconcile it in my mind, but I am just wondering how you could when it has been resoundly debunked. If I were a skeptic of Astrology and debated you over it, you would find yourself on the side of the fence I am on with the global warming issue. How can you rationalize a belief in something with a massive amount of scientific evidence disputing it...and really no scientific evidence supporting it?

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posted July 21, 2012 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply AG.
RE: Conspiracy theorists v Science

I think this has been going on since man discovered fire. Can you imagine the poor sob laboriously scraping away with a rock, and ~dang~ a spark flew into the shavings? He was either stoned to death for his discovery, or regarded as a deity- one to be feared.


“When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.” ¯ Neil deGrasse Tyson, Death by Black Hole: And Other Cosmic Quandaries

“I look up at the night sky, and I know that, yes, we are part of this Universe, we are in this Universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the Universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact, I look up—many people feel small, because they’re small and the Universe is big, but I feel big, because my atoms came from those stars.” ¯ Neil deGrasse Tyson

here is a short 10 question quiz, if you are in the mood.

Political who said what--I did poorly
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forgot to mention, I watched the Dark Knight Rises. Could not buy in to the baddie "Bane" he reminded of 3:

Hannibal Lichter in his mask
Sean Connery
Darth Vader
Wont mention more...spoilers?

Real tragedy on opening night in Colorado.

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posted July 21, 2012 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello AG and others,

I just noticed you got married - congratulations, and best wishes to you and your wife.

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posted July 21, 2012 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The IPCC and NOAA and associated scientists' paychecks and livelihood depend on them keeping the gravy train rolling.

That's false, and I think you know that. There is NO justification whatsoever for a belief that IF global warming wasn't happening all of these scientists would be out of a job. That's a blatantly ludicrous suggestion. We'd still need climate scientists to be observing the climate, and putting forth new studies.

This is a great example for why you're so easily wrong. You don't seem to think through what you're saying. As long as there is money for research, everything that is studied will be studied regardless of outcome.

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How do you rationalize a belief in Astrology when science debunks it?

What's fascinating about this question is the give away as to where your mind is at. You're linking your belief against global warming to a belief in astrology. Obviously, these are COMPLETELY different subjects, but by linking them, you're essentially equating your unscientific belief with something akin to religion. That's ironic, because the people supporting the science are made out as being the religionists. So you're saying that believing against scientific measurement is akin to believing in astrology.

Number of times I've debated astrology versus science: Zero
How many times I've allowed astrology to be discussed on my facebook wall: not zero, but some other very low number. I usually delete astrological stuff.

My wife was over my shoulder as I read your question, and her response was that I am a skeptic. That's based on her interpretation of my actions. The truth is I do find use in astrology. As a Capricorn "I use," right? It's all part of a decades old plan to know people better in order that I might instantly suss people out. What's written about astrology is kind of like a written musical score: the written version captures the idea, but it's the human interpreting the written that defines the actual product. On that basis, results vary.

Chryseis! Hi. Long time no see. Thanks!

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posted July 21, 2012 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, what you are saying is that you believe in Astrology despite it having no scientific basis and despite science ridiculing it and proving it false? And in your opinion it works? And science is wrong about it being nonsense? Is that what you are saying?

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posted July 21, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scratching me head.

Erm, "science proving it false."

That is false. Just off the top, I remember a study which proved that biologically mice born in winter were different from mice born in the spring. In fact they found it to be true month by month. Simplistically, Carl Sagan said we are star dust.

Dr Tyson says it as well:


“The knowledge that the atoms that comprise life on earth - the atoms that make up the human body, are traceable to the crucibles that cooked light elements into heavy elements in their core under extreme temperatures and pressures. These stars- the high mass ones among them- went unstable in their later years- they collapsed and then exploded- scattering their enriched guts across the galaxy- guts made of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself. These ingredients become part of gas clouds that condense, collapse, form the next generation of solar systems- stars with orbiting planets. And those planets now have the ingredients for life itself. So that when I look up at the night sky, and I know that yes we are part of this universe, we are in this universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact, I look up- many people feel small, cause their small and the universe is big. But I feel big because my atoms came from those stars.”


Sorry AG, seems that can of spam found it's way to your thread.

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posted July 21, 2012 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your point is the same, Randall. You're saying that you BELIEVE something contrary to what science says. Science has addressed ALL of your beliefs, and found them wrong. On top of this your beliefs aren't even your own. Every argument you've offered was authored by someone else.

Now CONTRAST that with me. Have I ever said astrology was absolutely unimpeachable in the face of science to the contrary? Nope.

You're trying to draw a similarity where there is none.

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posted July 21, 2012 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, we are made of stardust. Sagan is right about that. But nothing in that Tyson quote (which is also true) is about Astrology. We are all basically flowing energy. Our atoms are not static. We retain the same form, but we are replaced by new atoms every few hours. So, we are in a constant state of flux.

I've seen you refer to Astrology quite a bit here, AG, from describing your own placements to those of your wife and the synastry between you. My point is that you believe in it to some degree at least...enough to refer to it...and it isn't science; quite the contrary. I know I believe in many things outside the realm of science, and I concede such. Either you believe in Astrology while knowing it to be unscientific, or else you believe the science to be wrong.

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posted July 21, 2012 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to ask about your take on something else also, AG, if I may. What do you think about vaccines? The official scientific consensus is pro vaccine. Vaccines are big business. But there is a growing albeit minority dissension among the medical ranks (with many doctors opting not to vaccinate their own children) concerning their safety and even their effectiveness. A lot of Knowflakes tend to agree.

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posted July 22, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My knowledge of astrology doesn't inform everything I do. We talk astrology here, and I'm versed, so that's easy, but that hobby pretty well stays here. The consensus wins. I believe the most modern astrological study is moot. People are just defining things as they like these days. I believe the ancient astrology probably held more water. The people that came up with astrology didn't have all of our modern distractions, and could therefore attend to it's study with far more focus.

If you ask me at gunpoint whether astrology really works, I'll give you the same answer as if you were asking me if God exists, which is an unequivocal, "I don't know. Maybe."

With regard to vaccines, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so I'll go with what the doctor instructs. That is their domain.

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posted July 22, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of that makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining.

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posted October 15, 2012 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has been quiet too long.

Time to kick it in gear and hear what`s up with the newlyweds on the west coast.

Bummer, I lost your address too

Anyhow, did the dog get some help to stay in the family?

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posted October 16, 2012 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Almost time for a new one.

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posted October 16, 2012 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, our dog is still in our family, yes. He's still got issues. I think he may be on meds the rest of his life. He doesn't seem to be biting or licking himself as much, so that's good.

Halloween is probably the Jen's favorite holiday. Perhaps it's the four Scorpio planets. We decorated our yard, and Jen decorated the interior this past weekend. I'm sure we'll be going to ...(what do you call them?) [is it] haunted houses here soon. I guess that is what they're called, though not to be confused with places actually said to be haunted. I'm kind of new to really getting into this holiday, so it's fun. Last year, when we went through the haunted houses, I tried maintaining a detachment to the whole thing, but this year maybe I'll try allowing myself to be more surprised.

It's fun to get into holidays like this.

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posted October 16, 2012 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That`s good news about that handsome fur face !!! Is he a Golden Lab? His color, stocky body and thick toenails look Lab-ish.

I enjoy Halloween too. It`s another chance to have a fun time and the kids love it.

Yes they call them haunted houses. I find them a hoot Some things startle me if they also have a loud accompanying noise but "scared" is a bit silly.

This year I will be on Main St. (which is just the main 4 corners, no stop/caution lights)serving up cider and doughnuts to the trick or treaters. I missed it last year because I had a cold but look so forward to the little ghosties and goulies.

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posted October 16, 2012 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like fun. Cider and donuts!

The dog is a mutt. I forget the surprising things they found in his heritage when Jen had his DNA tested or whatever. I think Border Collie made the mix.

Last year, we decorated the yard early, but when it came down to Halloween we put even more stuff out. I guess it's to keep the electronic stuff away from the elements.

Here's some of the stuff out there:
I shopped Goodwill for the clothes for these guys:

This is a birdfeeder!

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posted October 16, 2012 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


I took a flashlight out there to help me get night shots that were properly lit.

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posted October 16, 2012 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys out did your selves That`s an awesome haunted property. I love the hands reaching out to grab someone along the walkway!.

Mr skeleton in the orange glow is sure to scare some trick or treater.

I`m happy Jen got you into the occasion as it`s a great job!

Thanks for sharing

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