posted June 18, 2006 06:31 PM            

quote:

---

did i say anything about this being unpleasant?

---

Ah, so you are enjoying this? I was beginning to suspect...

quote:

---

and you're spending a much more inordinate amount of time in this thread for what purpose? because you cared about a website you posted on?

---

See AG's post, above.

quote:

---

so caring about this website where i post and the people i interact with here is different in some way?

---

posted June 18, 2006 06:39 PM              

why the continued attempt to put words in my mouth?

is insulting me assuaging your dismay at your inability to counter my comments here?

i don't believe any of my comments were directed at you, except to respond your critique of my words.

so if my words here are so pointless and boredome induced, why spend so much of your time on my comments?

posted June 18, 2006 06:51 PM              

Yes...and I noticed I was never invited to this secret handshake club. LOL. Only kidding.....I don't see any problem with it, not that its really any of my business what other people do on the internet.

I can understand if people are a little upset that they might be criticised behind their backs, but quite frankly if ppl haven't got the courage to be honest about that sort of thing isn't it their problem? Unless of course a friendship was betrayed.

Also, I think other people should have the right to go elsewhere if they have been told certain subjects are taboo, or certain members of where they would have hoped to discuss those matters deliberately destroy the threads, or even if it wasn't deliberate.

I think you guys just should have been more careful about getting caught with your pants down. I know enough of you involved to know there can't have been much malicious thought intended. Sometimes harmony can be so delicate that the very maintenance of it twists its very meaning? I'm sure no real harm was intended, but you really should have seen this coming...

Anyway, I want an invite to the next one.

Swerve

posted June 18, 2006 06:52 PM            

quote:

---

i'm not 'enjoying' it...

why the continued attempt to put words in my mouth?

---

I wasn't entirely serious.

quote:

---

is insulting me assuaging your dismay at your inability to counter my comments here?

---

My comments are no more insulting than yours! Less, actually, due to them being based on empirical observation rather than suppositions and total BS.

quote:

---

i don't believe any of my comments were directed at you, except to respond your critique of my words.

---

Your comments have been directed at me, yes, and at friends of mine. And you called me shrill. So there.

quote:

---

so if my words here are so pointless and boredome induced, why spend so much of your time on my comments?

---

You and Lotus. I've never been able to figure that one out...

quote:

---

why not just go to the new KS and insult me to your heart's content?

---

Why do you think it takes me so long to respond to your posts, huh?

posted June 18, 2006 07:08 PM              

fAYTE HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIGHT WITH SOMEONE ONLINE ALL THE TIME THEN COME AND TRY TO BE HER FRIEND ASKING HER ABOUT WHO SHE LOVES. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HER MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK SO RETARDED RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO EVEN ASK HER ANYTHING. YOU HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE TO HER SO BACK OFF.

DUMB B*TCH

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum19/HTML/000123.html
shud Mystic Gemini not be kicked out of lindaland for attacking Fayte? Cast your vote

>>>THAT IS NOT the only place about name caling which is very common here at LL.

There are MANY places here at LL where folks have been called many bad names!

Yet when I was called a bit-ch you condoned it!

I begged you to please remove that thread and the ones where I was called names. You did not.

Sorry Randall but name calling is alive and well here at LL!

And why I did not buy a banner from you?
Because of Lotus.
I figured that would drive her mad.
I had the $125.00 check ready to send out and then her and Mystic Gemini started NAME calling at me!

Quote from guy 19:
she called Fayte Bit*h , I do not know who has the power to fire people from Lindaland , but whosoever has , should fire Mystic Gemini out of LL , if more than 50% of votes go against Mystic Gemini . What say?
Quote from me:
I thank you for your heartfelt ways...
And I understand why you opened this thread, and I am deeply honored that you feel this way. But you will not do yourself any favors by doing so. Save yourself the grief and ask Randall to remove this thread.
quotefrom Trillian:
Fayte is a grown up. I'm sure she can handle being called something like a b!tch now and then. And if she can't, she can contact a moderator or Randall.
quote:
Mystic Gemini
Knowflake
Posts: 1756
From: New York City
Registered: Jul 2005
posted December 08, 2005 04:43 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Im peeing in my pants laughing here. Off I go to turn off my comp and come back into the real world :/
quote from Trillian:
In the instance of someone being called a
b!tch by MG, well, I consider the source. I don't interact with her much, so I've only felt a small bit of her wrath. But who cares? If she wants respect, she'll have to earn it, and she won't earn it by resorting to juvenile name calling that has absolutely no power if it is rejected by its intended recipient.
Quote from Pixie:
You've called me every nasty thing one can call another woman, I know I don't deserve it, and I know you don't know me, so if you post a reasonable question on a different day, if I can answer it, I will.

There are many more examples of name calling more blatant that that here at LL.

posted June 18, 2006 07:14 PM              

quote:

---

My comments are no more insulting than yours!...

---

i haven't referred to you in any personal way, like being a bored busybody woman (or man), up on high horse, etc....

i said your desperation was shrill, not you.

quote:

---

Your comments have been directed at me, yes, and at friends of mine.

---

"i don't believe any of my comments were directed at you, except to respond your critique of my words." ~ salome

quote:

---

Your comments have been directed at me, yes, and at friends of mine.

---

quote:

---

"so caring about this website where i post and the people i interact with here is different in some way?" ~ salome

"Heh. It's amazing how the weakest defense of busybodyness is the most widely used. : ~ johnny

---

quote:

---

Jabs like that one only prove my point about how little you know about any of this

---

i only know what i've read here, i haven't claimed otherwise...again if you believe so unflinchingly that what i'm saying is baseless, why do you make such an effort to defend against my comments...and the 'blurred' line between 'public' and 'private'....why not go insult Randall and his contentions here?

posted June 18, 2006 07:14 PM            

You and others here were offered debate on issues. You and others spurned debate and launched into personal attacks on the President and the United States.

When asked for proof of your allegations against the President, you furnish none but continue to repeat the same lies endlessly.

You and others could have commented on Administration tax policy, other domestic policy, foreign policy and given your opinions and reasons for those opinions but choose to comment on the personal aspects of George Bush. He's the antichrist, he's Satan, he's Hitler, he stole the election, the war is about enriching his friends at Haliburton, he's trying to make himself King, he's trying to enrich his friends at the corporations, he's committing illegal acts, blah, blah, blah.

There is an allegation of wrongdoing and illegality in every one of your statements about the President.

So Mirandee, you get your rear ripped every time you lie about Bush. And since you see fit to lie blatantly about Bush, I simply tell the truth about you. I can't see where you could possibly have a compliant with that.

When you launch personal attacks against anyone, you've endorsed the same treatment for yourself. The difference Mirandee is that I tell the truth about you, whereas you lie about Bush.

If that makes you uncomfortable, TS baby.

You, and all the other Bush haters had a choice and took the low road....both here and at Conscious Evolution.

Before all the bullsh*t started on this forum, I simply confined myself to debate, issues of reason and logic concerning US foreign and domestic policy.

With the advent of the rock throwing hateful leftists here...those haters who were offered real debate on issues at least 3 separate times and declined, I started making my points in a much more pointed and personal manner. I remember telling the hate crowd I could play it either way and I can.

I don't stab people in the back. I will tell you right to your face what I think of what you say and exactly what I think of you as a result of what you say here that is outside the pale of political debate.

I don't need a separate little gossip forum to vent my displeasure or seek support for my positions, neither KS or CE or any place else.

One last thing to keep in mind. Don't bring my name up on this forum unless you're addressing comments to me.

posted June 18, 2006 07:19 PM              

So Jwhop is allowed to call names?
Lotus is allowed to call names?
Mystic Gemini is allowed to call names?
Petron is allowed to call names?
And many others here are allowed tocall names?

But I and others are am not allowd to "call names"?
Even when we have been called names by those folks??????

Why do some get away with it and are ven comndoned?

posted June 18, 2006 07:33 PM            

quote:

---

i only know what i've read here, i haven't claimed otherwise...again if you believe so unflinchingly that what i'm saying is baseless, why do you make such an effort to defend against my comments...

---

I've answered that several times, now. I have a question for you, though - if you know only what you've read here, why are you so eager to believe the worst about KS?

It feels like bias to me.

quote:

---

....why not go and insult Randall and his contentions here?

---

What? Insult Randall and his contentions? What are you talking about?

quote:

---

it's easier to insult Lotus and me, isn't it?

---

Ah, I begin to understand. No, actually it's not. You give a perfectly good account of yourself, and, if calling Lotus on her nonsense is the same as insulting her, well, tough.

quote:

---

but again, none of my comments were initially directed at you...my comments to you are in response to your attack on my words (and me) only.

---

posted June 18, 2006 07:34 PM            

Calling people names is a long honored tradition on the left. Instead of talking about issues.

Calling people names is alive and well here at GU but why would you think those who engage in the practice of name calling against anyone should be immune themselves?

Now, stop trying to blow smoke up everyone's rear. The issue here is your little secret forum where you and your friends rip LL members behind their backs. It's made all the worse because everyone at KS knew the people who were being ripped.

It sounds more like a vipers gossip pit than a cozy place to share warm fuzzies.

posted June 18, 2006 07:36 PM            

I think, from the posts I've read here, that a lot of US are missing each other's points because we are feeling defensive one way or another.

This is my take on what the matter is at hand. I am very willing to admit I am wrong and have misunderstood, if that is the case.

I don't think anyone from LL who was not a part of KS is suggesting that starting KS was wrong. I don't think they are "attacking" you for wanting to form a separate site for the people you deem your closer friends whom you feel comfortable sharing private information with. We all have closer friends, on or off LL, and we all share more private things with only those we deem to be trustworthy, etc. And I don't see anyone saying that the mere existence of KS is a problem.

What I see people taking issue with is (1) the idea of a discriminating membership process based on how much people at KS like those suggested for membership there and (2) the manner in which SOME of those rights of membership were approached.

Now, I don't think anyone saying that you are evil or sick or twisted for wanting your own forum to be run that way. I just think a lot of us don't understand your reasons why. Nor do we need to ... as I've said before, you don't have to explain/defend yourselves to any of us if you don't want to. But, my little onion is as follows: I've never been one to exclude people from my circle of friends in that manner. I'm not lying, either. I wasn't that way in grade school and I'm not that way now. Yes, there were people that I wasn't fond of, there were people that insulted me, there were people who were just plain nasty ... lots of things for me to complain about. However, I try not to take things like that personally. And so, fortunately for me, I ended up becoming friends with (or better acquainted with) a lot of people that I would never otherwise had known. A friend of a friend of a friend that struck me the wrong way initially but who was not ostracized from the group just because I didn't feel too keen on him/her allowed me to learn how to relate to people very different from me ... and even how to appreciate them. As an example ... there are many people I am friends with today who think vegetarianism is the worst kind of "New Age" crap. They have insulted me, mocked me and talked general poop about my choice of eating habits and beliefs ... in public and in front of my friends. Yet, I chose not to react negatively back to their drama ... instead, I chose to show them that I understood their viewpoints and, while not agreeing with them or changing my ways, that I was no threat to their meat eating pleasures. Now it isn't an issue anymore. And I know that this example isn't all inclusive to the reasons SOME of you at KS decided on membership the way you did. I'm not saying it is. I'm just explaining why I, for one, don't understand your need to do such a thing. I'm not saying it was wrong or that you're evil. I'm saying I don't understand.

posted June 18, 2006 07:37 PM            

I posted an article in GU before about the NSA watching social networking websites and keeping tabs on says what, etc. This is the same basic issue of privacy ... privacy that is not existant without effort on the Net.

So please, let's stop the bickering. This thread is starting to devolve and, though we have the right to let it, why should we?

I love LL. I think we all do. We are just now ALL aware (and some of us painfully so) that a number of our members here are, in some circumstances, unhappy with the way things are here at times and some of the people who visit here ... and choose to post elsewhere where they feel ... safer, perhaps? More free to say what they feel without getting criticized by people they are not too fond of? I still don't understand exactly the reasons for the need of KS but I don't have to and I'm not judging anyone so please forgive my ignorance.

The issue of Randall's private moderator's forum is not an issue at all ... as it was private and Randall did all he could to keep it that way. That someone hacked into it is (1) illegal and (2) besides the point. My home is private by all intents and purposes. If someone breaks into my home ... does my privacy no longer matter? If I make love in my home, is that not different than if I did so on the street? And if someone broke in and set up a secret cam to record my lovemaking and then posted it on the web ... does that make me responsible for having my private life violated and exposed?
No, it does not. Private is private, public is public. That's the plain and honest difference about this.

The people here, like Tink and pidaua, who were insulted by members of KS have every right to be disturbed upon their discovery of that transpired. Is anyone going to argue that? I think we would all be a bit disturbed to find out the negative things that people were saying about us to others, even if we knew some of those people didn't like us to begin with. That is basic human nature.
But I don't see any of us saying that that maeans EVERYONE involved in KS behaved in that manner or is judging any of you by the company you keep. And I'm not judging those of you who did say nasty things about LLanders, either. I don't myself condone that behavior but you are not me and that's fine. I was disgusted by what Magus wrote but he has every right to be foul with his words where he is so permitted to be and even Tink, the object of his offense, agrees. I don't see anyone judging you as evil-doers for your acceptance of that manner of speech/discussion even if a lot of us come to LL because that manner of thing is not allowed here. There is an obvious and stark difference between the manner in which jwhop is aggressive and sometimes offensive ( you jwhop and I hope you don't mind me using you as an example) and the kinds of things that Magus wrote about Tink. And, yes, Magus, I saw you apologized and though you didn't have to, it was nice to see.

(cont.)

posted June 18, 2006 07:37 PM            

Oh yeah, I love LL and Randall! As I'm sure the overwhelming majority of us here do. (Again, trying to avoid absolutes because I don't really know how EVERYONE feels and I wouldn't want to put words in people's mouths like that.)

posted June 18, 2006 07:43 PM              

quote:

---

if you know only what you've read here, why are you so eager to believe the worst about KS?

---

ah, so the content at KS is inflammatory then....hence your continued efforts at addressing and insulting nothing more than a weak, bored busybody woman up on a high horse....

what is it that i've said that impels you to contend that i believe the worst about KS?

posted June 18, 2006 07:44 PM            

Someone calling someone a liar is quite difference from the kinds of nasty things that were written about Tink, for example. A liar is someone who tells lies ... what? If I think someone is not telling the truth I cannot call him/her a liar ... do I call them a non-truth sayer? But profanity, vulgarity and personal attacks about a person's character that have nothing to do with what the person is posting but everything to do with who they are are completely different and, in LL, entirely frowned upon.

posted June 18, 2006 07:46 PM            

quote:

---

That's right Fayte, I spoke the truth...and I didn't run to a little hole in the wall hideout to be among friends and supporters when I said it.

---

Jwhop, I just realized who you remind me of! Have you ever read a Spider-Man comic? J. Jonah Jameson!

Oh, boy. I'm never going to get that mental image out of my head, now.

posted June 18, 2006 07:48 PM            

quote:

---

ah, so the content at KS is inflammatory then....hence your continued efforts at addressing and insulting nothing more than a weak, bored busybody woman up on a high horse....

---

Bah, I give up. That thing about being a busybody really got to you though, huh?

posted June 18, 2006 07:50 PM              

Quote:
Calling people names is a long honored tradition on the left. Instead of talking about issues.

Calling people names is alive and well here at GU but why would you think those who engage in the practice of name calling against anyone should be immune themselves?

So...it is ok for you?
But I am not allowed?
And I didnotsneak off. Even thoughI knew we were on the search engines I stayed.
That was not being sneaky sir.
I was quite aware that we were not private.

I deleted nothing and did not run.
I would not have deleted my posts exceptmaybe the sex/health ones.
But even those are no big deal. Most of that came out on the Sex Magic threadhere at LL anyhow.

So sorry sir, but I must object.
I was not hiding out.
Just trying to be ata place where I could talk freely about lexigrams/religions/gay issues, past lives, etcetera without Lotus jumping me and the name calling I was subjected to.

Randall said name calling is not allowed here but as you just said it is your right and it seems you and others are afforded that right to badmouth folks.

Why?
So what names would you like to call me now "sir".

And I see the multi named MG had reincarnated yet another username. VenusainLove.

posted June 18, 2006 07:50 PM              

quote:

---

Bah, I give up. That thing about being a busybody really got to you though, huh?

Guess I hit a nerve.

---

nice edit.

couldn't care less.

just wondering why you do go on.