posted June 17, 2006 08:57 PM              

Yeah ... this has taught me a whole lot too.

posted June 17, 2006 09:10 PM            

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But then there was Magus' post, which most nobody here even recalls coming across in a forum of thousands of posts. It was wrong - no doubt about it. I really wonder how long it took Pid, or whoever sent it to Tink, to find it, though.

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posted June 17, 2006 09:12 PM            

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Maybe it was never there, Johnny -- none of the regulars remember it. Perhaps Petron dug it out of one of the strings here in GU?? Or perhaps it's a fabrication, even though it's not exactly out of character for Magus

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Wouldn't exactly surprise me, 'Zala - anything to be proven right, I guess. Who knows.

posted June 17, 2006 09:17 PM              

"You are the company you keep"

LOve and Respect for ALL. ...

posted June 17, 2006 09:21 PM            

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"You are the company you keep"

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Right on. I sure hope so, anyway!

posted June 17, 2006 09:23 PM              

You've got to be f*cking kidding me?!

That beats it all. And shows some true colors too. Thanks for enlightening me. I was two steps from apologizing for my "like rats off a sinking ship" comment. But I think now I'd be wise to stick by it.

Congratulations. A new low.

Lia ~ faith in this?????

posted June 17, 2006 09:29 PM            

If one person or two people said something in the lower cabins to disparage the ship, it will not sink. It's just choppy water.

I am proud to stand by these awesome people, who are being judged, as I am proud to stand by awesome people here.
This was never about segregation, it was never to disparage people or hurt anyone.

posted June 17, 2006 09:30 PM            

Oh, no, wait. That would require looking from another point of view than your own. And you might have to give up your air of moral superiority.

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There are no rats to run away here... it was never that.

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It just occured to me that, with all this talk about insults being hurled and whatnot, it is you, Tink, and other accusers here who have been doing the lion's share of the name-calling.

Rats and cockroaches indeed. Maybe *you* ought to reaquaint yourself with your humanity, huh?

posted June 17, 2006 09:33 PM              

it's Obvious to some of us..that you feel guilty..or you'd let it go. ...

Love and Respect for ALL..

posted June 17, 2006 09:36 PM            

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Well, this reminds me, Lotus - didn't you say you were leaving for good last night? And that you'd stop preaching to those who've made it clear they don't want it?

posted June 17, 2006 09:39 PM            

If a cop stopped you on the street, took you into custody, even though you only looked like the perpetrator, wouldn't you be nervous?

posted June 17, 2006 09:41 PM              

The defensive self-righteousness is getting a bit extreme. To accuse me of having made that sick stuff up?! At least Magus had the balls not to do that.

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When someone is accusing you of something, no matter how innocent you are, you defend. Especially when it seems that your resputation is at stake...

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posted June 17, 2006 09:43 PM            

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why do you feel the need to defend yourSelves then???

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I feel empathy -- I feel badly for you about what "Magus" wrote. And I'm not saying he DIDN'T write it, not by a long shot. It was speculation, nothing more. And since there is no source stated (forum? date?), we who have been exposed to jwhop's wrath when we didn't post a source might have learned to wonder when we read quotes with no source.....

posted June 17, 2006 09:47 PM              

and I'm willing to let it go..

and Johnny..it's a woman's perrogative to change her Mind..After going within..I know
you all LOve that line..
and also..you could just not read my posts and ignore me..I'm flattered that you give me so much attention..
please, let's move forward. ...

posted June 17, 2006 09:53 PM            

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So, just so everyone knows what sort of website we're talking about here

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How about this - you delete that last post of yours, find yourself a quiet corner, take a minute or two and see if you can't concoct a more reasonable, believable reply.

and the rats jump ship .....

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These are the comments I remember, Tink. No amount of "Well, if you want to make a site, fine," balances calling everyone who visited it cowardly vermin. And you'll forgive me if I don't for a second believe that you were ready to retract that statement.

I do like you, and I do respect you, Tink, but the ease with which you believe the very worst is driving me crazy.

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I'm understanding quite well what a pack of wolves is.

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posted June 17, 2006 10:00 PM            

To begin with you quoting me ... I was talking about me. I can't begin to understand how that could be interpreted as me talking about anyone but me. And, seeing as how I am only talking about me, ie. the way I handle certain things based on my personal perspective of the world and the standards I hold myself and only myself to, I don't understand why someone would take issue with that.
Secondly, I'm a Sagittarius myself.
Thirdly, in regards to the "lumping", I ask you ... please quote me, specifically, where I stated that I was referring to absolutely everyone that posted on that other site. I've read and reread and read again my post and cannot see where that is stated or even implied. I was commenting on people making negative, "petty-behind-your-back-comments" ... and, as is obviously such, I was referring only to those people who have engaged in such activity. Many of you have adamantly and emphatically stated repeatedly on this thread that you, that the majority of you, did nothing of the sort. Further, I actually stated that I was "very willing to believe that you guys had no ill intentions". Did I not? Am I hallucinating? No, I am not. Thus, it's clear that I actually made an attempt to clarify myself further and make it understood that I was not "lumping" ALL of you from KS into one group. My question was about why you felt the need to delete that information (not that all of you deleted ... again, if you didn't then I'm clearly not referring to you) if it was as innocent as you say it was ... aside, of course, from pixelpixie's wonderful clarification in regards to personal comments about one's life and/or identifying information that you wouldn't have wanted to share here. But even then I made it clear that "you have nothing to prove to me or anyone else here" in my eyes. What more would you have me say?
I never mentioned you, Lialei. I never judged you. I never lumped you. I never questioned you. I was referring, clearly and obviously, to the few who did make nasty comments about others "behind their backs" ... and btw, behind someone's back means "not to their face". Anything you say about someone, good or bad, outside of their presence is said "behind their back" and it gets a negative air placed on it when you (not you, Lialei, but "you" in the general sense) are not willing to repeat your comments to the person you were speaking about.
So, I'm very sorry, but I was not "thinking the worst of others". I made no judgements and certainly not snap ones. And self-righteousness? Where did that come from? Superiority complexes? Based on what? Please, I'm begging you, show me where, exactly and undeniably, I am exemplifying that type of behavior. For having an opinion? For clarifying myself? OK ...
The only reaction I can see from that post of yours I'm referring to is defensiveness from perceived insults or "attacks" that, from my part at least, have no standing in reality. But if that's why "kindreds came about in the first place" ...
(BTW, that was a joke (see the smiley?) ... you know, how easily things can get manipulated if you are reading into things and making assumptions?)
And the only reason I am even responding is because you referred to me by name. FYI, I don't think you are understanding the issue here of "public forum". pidaua did nothing wrong in finding that site. She did nothing wrong in posting parts of it here. She didn't hack into your comps or your sites or spy on your phone calls or stalk you or anything else that could be construed as an invasion of privacy. It was on a public forum. And this is also a public forum. Which means that any of us registered here are able to and have the complete right to respond to any topic posted here ... even if it's to say that we had a vision of a dolphin mating with a turtle and producing a hippopotamus that can tap dance ... which would be wildly off topic.
Again, back to the perceived insults and attacks ... please, please, please show me how I have jumped on any bandwagon by replying in a public forum and sharing my own views and opinions and where and whom exactly I "lynched". I also don't quite understand how you assume that I am feeling superior by making a post such as I did ... unless for some unknown reason you are feeling inferior ... which would make even less sense since I was in no way referring to you.
Oh yeah, and as for me laughing ... really, I do find this whole thing to be most amusing. I am not upset. I am not offended personally. And I'm not saying that what transpired is amusing, btw. What is amusing to me is the way this little drama has been playing itself out here on LL.

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Tink and pixelpixie ... thanks for always understanding. And I do so try to be clear.

posted June 17, 2006 10:02 PM              

I've defended not only your desire to set up another site, but your reasons for it, and your absolute right to say whatever you wish about whomever you want. Including me. I think that pretty understanding of me, given the circumstances. (How's that for moral superiority?)

I was very much thinking of apologizing for using the word "rat". Rat is an ugly word. Course the phrase doesn't work well without it.

Johnny, if this is your idea of like and respect ... Jesus!

I think we've all had enough of this for tonight. It's really not getting us anywhere. You've voted and your minds are made up. Enough said.

posted June 17, 2006 10:04 PM            

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Creepy

Magus was creepy. That some sick sh#t to say about someone, and he said in in a pretty menacing way. All I've expressed is my dismay that people disparage Pid and Tink, and in the case of Tink in a pretty disturbed and dispicable manner, then try to justify it (which was what was done initially) by stating that the majority of the site is happiness and light and they just don't know what anyone is talking about.

If that creeps you out, than I'd have to say you are too easily creeped out.

It creeps me out that anyone could defend a person that says that kind of disturbed crap to people, or who sees it going on and doesn't say anything (not referring to you Lei, I don't recall who was saying above what a generally ok guy he is when he's not going off like a psychopath).

posted June 17, 2006 10:11 PM            

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I was very much thinking of apologizing for using the word "rat". Rat is an ugly word. Course the phrase doesn't work well without it.

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If this is like and respect ... Jesus!

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I've never badmouthed you, Tink, to your face or behind your back. I've never condoned it, either, despite your seeming inability to believe me, or anyone else, on that.

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