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posted May 19, 2006 07:04 AM            

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Hi Celtic,

I can't, of course, talk for all the Crabs out there, only for myself.
Yes, I think that they often can't believe it is true, especially if they have been badly hurt before.
It takes a long time to build that trust again, and it has to be a saintly patient person to stick around them for so long, until they decide it is safe to surrender. It is just very strong self-protective instinct, because Crabs are so super sensitive.
You know that my big love was a Scorpio (perhaps the love of my life, but I don't like to say that until I am 90!), and I was so scared of the intensity of my feelings, I was retreating all the time. Because I didn't want anything (read:real life) to spoil the fantasy I had of us in my head. What if it didn't work out, and I get shattered again? Ultimately, in the end, I lost more by this stupid cautious attitude that I gained, but that is the way it was, unfortunately. But you are so patient, I really think that his defences must be seriously weakening. And, not meaning to be manipulative, I do think that it is a very good strategy to be nice to his children. I don't have any children yet, but I know, that if the person loved my children, I would love them. If they were not good to my children, they would not exist for me. He actually sounds like a really nice person, from what you had written, it is really nice for a man to be so devoted to his kids.
Just one funny thing, if you ever have time, find out on the Internet how Calista Flockhart (Scorpio) ahd Harrison Ford (Cancer) got together, it is really a sweet story. It goes something like, she purposely spilt a drink on him in other to get his attention at some Hollywood party, and the rest is, as they say, history. So, it is never too late for Crab and Scorpio.
Honestly, I know so many long term, solid unions between Crab and Scorpio, it is actually the most common of the matches, as far as I noticed (even George Bush has a Scorpio wife!). How about Prince Charles, he seems not to be able to stay away from the Crabs!
Yesterday, we went to a restaurant here in London, and the manageress was a heavily pregnant, very sweet girl. We started talking about the baby and star signs, and she said "Oh, I really wish I have a Cancer baby". We asked:Why? and she said, "I am a Scorpio and my husband, who is my absolute soul mate is a Cancer, I simply adore Cancers. And she continued : "I am yin, and he is yang, we so complete each other, it is beautiful." This was so sweet, she was glowing, and all I could say to her is: "Crabs absolutely adore Scorpios, too!"
Anyway, you probably know all of this, so good luck! I really want the two of you to end up together, give him a bit more time, and the Crab should hopefully get out of that stupid shell of his!
All the best, greetings, Selena.

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posted May 20, 2006 07:07 PM              

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Thanks Selena, I truly hope the same....We've had some flirty e-mails back and forth yesterday and I came up to the station and we caught a fire early in the am, which was actually a re-kindle of the one previously that he and I discussed in the e-mails. But as a newly minted lead firefighter and still learning I did some stupid things that I really know better was just dumb circumstances and complacency on my part that caused it to happen but he had to "counsel" me on it. And of course now I am beating myself up over it. And since I am new at this of course everybody is watching me andlooking out for me too, and I don't want ot make any more dumb mistakes and that makes me anxious and decreases my confidence I don't want to let anybody down least of all myself and of course my Crab. He probably has the higher expectation of me than others or he verbalizes it more than they do. They all say "you'll be alright" But he will go into lecture mode and I cannot blame him-- he is that way and so am I. He has higher expectations and is more exacting with training and knowledge than the others which is why I like learning from him in the first place. I can't help but thnk sometimes that our professional relationship gets in the way of our personal relationship as he cited it as a reason to cease the growth of that part....so all in all today I am pretty bummed.

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posted May 21, 2006 11:39 AM            

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That was so nice , selena .
could you plz , give us some links to the harrison ford -calista love story .

and as for your question celtic, i will agree with selena completly . though in relations , i would like to believe someone completly but there are times when when things stop me from doing this .
i want to have faith but i can't . thats the tragedy .

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posted May 22, 2006 12:00 PM              

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RG...you couldn't have said it better...yes it is indeed a tragedy. But....can you not bring yourself to jump out and take the risk if it could possibly grabbing on to the most wonderful thing in your life??? Trust me, I am no stranger to being hurt and being burned and though I retreat as well and I understand that I have a hard time understanding how it can paralyse one from acting. I mean as a Scorpio I am selective and I don't give my heart out to just anybody in that fact they have to earm MY trust in order for me to give it in the first place I guess that is why I am here trying to understand that reluctance jump form wanting to have faith and leaping for it.

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posted May 22, 2006 04:40 PM            

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Hello Cancerrg and Celtic,

Yes, I think that we Cancers can sometimes be a little bit TOO SELF-PROTECTIVE, which is not good. Of course we take risks, but like the Crab in question, it sometimes happens to be with the wrong people, and after that, the poor "right" people pay the price. God, when I remember now some of the men that I thought I was in love with, and was lusting after, oh, it makes me cringe. But it is all the process of growing up, and it makes you learn what you want and what you don't. After that I was much more cautious, trying to discover the real person behind the mask (or behind my rose-colored glasses!), so, dear Celtic, it takes real patient person (like you) to get Crabs out of their holes. Luckily, Scorpios are prepared to wait for what they want, if it was some Gemini or Sag, I think they would have been out of there long time ago...
As for Harrison and Calista, it is a very old story. I don't have links as such, but it can be Googled, smth. like how Calista and Harrison met. She apparently had hots for him, and spilt the red wine on him during the Golden Globe Awards in order to get his attention. Hmmmm, a bit strange way to attract someone, but it worked for her, they are still together! I think Harrison Ford looks like a Cancer, there is this boyish crabbish look about him.
It is strange, Cancer and Scorpio relationships, I only ever met one, but he was deadly for me! Before that, I thought that one Pisces was my biggest love, but Scorpio put the end to that illusion, hehe. I have two very good Scorpio women friends, and once they trust you, there is no more loyal and helpful friend than them, they really are lovely people.
Big greetings to both of you, friendly Crab Selena.

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posted May 22, 2006 11:34 PM              

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Selena,
No wonder I love Harrison Ford! I never knew he was a Cancer...lol! Now he makes total sense to me....well anyway...I just have to soft pedal my crab ...there have been so encouraging things but it is all a dance sometimes. I got him out of his shell last summer I can only hope this summer as well...he is a little free-er and least protective I think when He doesn't have to constantly have his daughter in his forthoughts since she spends most of the summer with her mom. Maybe I can get him to dance with me at our Installation Banquet like he did last year--that's where it basically all started so who knows a little alcohol a little slow dance and well who knows what will happen I could only hope..I got three weeks before that happens.

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posted May 23, 2006 04:39 AM            

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Haha,
Yes, it is a slow dance with Cancer. The forumula sounds right, little bit of alchohol, warm night, good music, and the Crab should thaw a little, one would think!
Good luck, Selena.

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posted May 23, 2006 09:06 AM              

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See Harrison Ford in the movie "Sabrina".
He epitomizes the hesitant Cancerian perfectly!
I do Not usually get into Romantic movies but I LOVED that one!
Another one where his Cancerian Romantic side shone brightly was "Witness".
Such pure real passion!
And like I said...
I am EXCEEEDINGLY happy with my Cancerian Beloved! I cannot imagine anything more real and true and perfect for the Scorpio I am than him in my life, our sharing and perfect mergings with each other! Fantastic two way communication!

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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted May 23, 2006 09:15 AM              

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Celtic - I hope that this Crab is worth all this effort. I also hope he appreciates you and all that have done.

I wonder sometimes if Cancer are more trouble than they are worth.....would he be so considerate the other way around, or would that sensitivity mean he would just judge you, jump into that shell and then act as if you weren't really there like the Boogeyman? (sounds like a wild generalisation, but is based on VAST experience with Cancers, plus Celtic is Scorpio/Pisces and I am Pisces/Scorpio so I have a very good grasp on both sides of this particulat tale).

A little balance in opinion here is needed, as I think you are such a lovely woman. I wouldn't like to think that others are setting you up for a bigger fall than nessecary. Go for it and with all your might, but remeber that you are a Scoprio and dammit you'll act like one!!

Try to pull off the balancing act of caution and freedom of romantic expression. Its a tough act to call, I just hope you realise the size of the challenge you are facing here. But, relatively-speaking the joy if you win him will be sublime....

..good luck, and stay true to yourself FIRST at all times....

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posted May 23, 2006 11:55 AM              

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I rather agree w/ Swerve's words of wisdom... I am hoping this comes together for you, Celtic, but like I've been "preaching", this "ain't" a Cancer thing, in my opinion... It's about fear- of commitment, abandonment, those kinds of deep-rooted issues. Been dealing with a Cap. man who has all the same type traits described here. I've got almost 2 years into it, from being kept at a distance, and for me, I cannot see it being any different in the future and it being any more than it is now.

It is GOOD that you have the dept. connection and can see him there in that setting. That seems to help from him being able to disappear from contact.

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posted May 23, 2006 06:19 PM            

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Dear fayte is back,

Yes, you couldn't have said it better "our sharing and perfect mergings with each other!", wonderful!
But I also agree with Swerve and Cap, that it may have nothing to do with him being Cancer, however, I do think it is bit of both : being Cancer AND fear of commitment/getting hurt again. So, our Celtic has a "double whammy". But I still want to believe that it will be worth it, because if we don't have that hope, it is not worth trying anything at all, isn't it?
Love to all, S.

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posted May 23, 2006 08:51 PM            

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Fayte, you and your cancer sound like a lovely couple

Funny, my scorpio friend has a friend from Italy coming to visit her. She's very excited about it too. (I am as well, considering the bad luck she's had in the romance department) She's always said that the one thing thats stood out about him is his gorgeous blue eyes. She also describes him as being shy and a gentlemen.(shy guys aren't usually her type) So I ask her "When's his birthday?" (Which is not weird because sometimes we talk casually about astrology with two of our other friends ) And sure enough, he's a cancer. There's so many of us. Come to think of it, That'd interesting if me and her double-dated one day. (Scorpio female-cancer male;cancer female-scorpio male)

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posted May 23, 2006 08:55 PM              

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Selena

I can only speak from my personal experience with my beloved Cancerian Husband,
Celticfyre's object of affection may have other issues unrelated to being a Cancerian. However being a Cancerian will not make things easier. But as with my beloved I feel it was worth the patience and wait.
But if instant Romance and a fast comittment is desired...move on. A Cancerian will not move towards a relationship until very sure.
But once willingly in your life and sharing love, they are the most intensely loving and committed people I know. But it must be real and totally mutual. Saintlike patience is required when attempting to woo the Cancerian Male. And not being thrown by their moods. Deeply intense and private, but capable of astonishingly deep soul love. Love is not something they take lightly or commitment. Very serious business to them. Very.
This to a Cancerian is a life decision and must not be rushed into.
I wish you luck Celticfyre.

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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted May 23, 2006 09:01 PM              

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Dulce Luna
He is a fantastically amazing wonderful man!
In a few minutes we are going to do mutual foot massages!
I cannot imagine a more perfect mate for me!
Yes he has moods. But oh his depth of feeling is so intense! I need that real and intense kind of person! Always thinking and we talk every spare moment we get. Oh my the topics we cover! Rarely do we talk of frivolous things. But those times his humor comes forth it makes even dry humored me laugh myself to tears! I have smiled and laughed more in my time with him to date than in all the 43 years before!
By the way...I really like your user name!

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted May 23, 2006 09:33 PM            

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Oh, thanks Fayte!
In Portuguese or Criolo I would've used "Doce" but I thought the Spanish version went better.

Oh yes, I find scorpios to be the most interesting people to coverse with (second being a tie for gem and pisces). We talk about almost anything under the sun. My boyfriend can get into some really deep and intellectual conversations, my gem venus is feelin' it. I like him alot

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posted May 24, 2006 06:52 AM            

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Hello Dulce and Fayte,

Every time I read about fayte and her Cancer, my heart melts a bit, it is such wonderful story.
And Dulce, funny about your friend and the Cancer from Italy... I am telling you, the most common good, long-term relationships for Scorpios of both sexes are Cancers, hands down. I know so many couples in real life and celebrities, I lost the count of them. I even know several Scorpios who dated other signs, and broke up with them when they met Cancers, and vice versa, and those new relationships are still strong after many years together. It seems to be one of those fatal attractions, and Linda described it so well in Love Signs, it is astonishing how she could know the feeling, and she was not either sign? I think it is because it is on such deep, intense, overwhelming levels, it is simply irressistible. I am actually glad I haven't met many Scorpios, because I don't think I can cope with so much intensity, one was quite enough, thank you (this is Gemini Venus talking!!!).
I just hope that Celtic's story will have a happy end, the lady is not a quitter, that's for sure! Greetings to all Scorpios and Cancers in love, S.

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posted May 24, 2006 10:31 AM              

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Love and blessings to all here!
I was almost 43 when my Cancerian soulmate and I found each other. He was then 28 years old.
It is never too late for love!
One is never too old or fat, or sickly or poor...or whatever!
While young and fit and physically attractive, I had many trials and errors in my search for true love. Such disasters most of those were!
Do not despair of never finding love.
Even the ones that do not work out help us learn so very much. I learned about co-dependency, and that I needed to learn to love and respect me...imperfections and all. To not rely on another to validate who I am or my worth. I learned to free myself of the manipulators who would hone in on my need...and take avantage of me and my insecurities and enjoyed controlling me and my life, making me feel I was worthless without them.
One must really get to know and accept oneself and have respect for one's self.
Then when that "right one" comes into the picture we are better able to recogniize them and are more ready for that kind of soul deep sharing comittment.

To love!

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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted May 24, 2006 11:05 AM              

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To LOVE!!!!! cheers!

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posted May 24, 2006 11:29 AM              

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Yaaay! Celticfyre! Cheers to you!
To love for all!
Pass it around!
There is enough for all not just for soulmates!

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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted May 24, 2006 01:19 PM            

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HIP, HIP, HOORAY!!!!

TO LOVE!!!!! AND TO EVERONE ON THIS GREAT FORUM!!!! CHEEEEEEERSSSSS EVERYONE!!!!!

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posted May 24, 2006 04:37 PM            

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To love!

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posted May 25, 2006 10:40 PM              

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Hey Swerve Baby!!!
I didn't mean to forget to respond...lots going on. I appreciate the balanced opinion you and cap girl offer....believe me it is never far from my thoughts when dealing with the Crab. He and I are in a good place right now...it certainly isn't where I would like us to be of course. But there is some communication and even extra communication as far as he is concerned here lately. Right now I am doing what I can to cultivate his trust. And since I am a Libra rising...who better to try to keep things balanced . As I have said before I have such a strong sense of the fact that whatever the journey is with us it isn't over. SO all I can do is hang in there to see where it goes.....and besides right now no other opportunities are presenting themselves either.

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posted May 31, 2006 11:59 PM              

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okay guys,
Things have been going along with my Crab and me-- nothing too earth shattering one way or the other. But this Saturday he's agreed to help me with a TV/DVD problem at my house, I also have recorded the season finale of "24" which we both watch that his DVR didn't record for some reason of course mine recorded so I offered him to be able to watch it at my house and he said" yes make sure you save it"-- so he will probably watch it Saturday. Then he made mention of wanting to see a movie this weekend as well ( I took it as an indirect invite so I said "well, We could do that too if he wanted as I wasn't do ing anything so he said okay" so we will see what happens. Am I silly to think that this a big development here??? I mean I am going to be treading so softly so not to send him scurriying away its not even funny. But if he should make a move on his part I'm certainly not gonna put on the brakes.

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posted June 01, 2006 06:31 AM            

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That sounds good, I'd elaborate right now but I've gotta go....see ya

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posted June 01, 2006 07:18 AM            

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Hey Celtic,

That could be the beginning of the big development. Of course, noone here wants to raise your hopes too high, but it is better than if he hadn't offered to help you with DVD and mentioned the movie.
I do the same thing when I like someone, and want to test the water. I always (indirectly, of course) say things like :"I've heard that this and this movie is good" (expecting the other side to say : Do you want to see it?", and things like that.
So, whatever you do, don't say you are too busy on the weekend, as he may take it as a rejection. I would.
Of course, go with the flow then. You scorpios, like us cancers, are very good with feeling the vibes, so if the vibes are good on Saturday/Sunday, perhaps you can encourage him (subtly, hinty, hinty) for something more. Or just wait for him to make the first step, you will know what to do, you scorps are very clued in about these things, hehe. Just go with your intuition.
To be honest, when I am not interested in someone, I avoid them like a plague, saying I am too busy, crossing the street when I see them, and never ever mention any movies, help etc. in front of them.
So, I would see this as a step forward, so good luck, of course let us know what happens. S.

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