posted February 26, 2010 12:00 PM            

and yet, those person who speak from Ego`s voice usually will CLAIM and BELIEVE they are speaking from their inner voice / intuition / spiritual guidance, too.

And noone of us here is immune to falling into that trap now and then.

posted February 26, 2010 12:09 PM            

I see nothing wrong with spirituality,intuition. I believe that they are important too.
reflected by my
Mercury in Scorpio
Mercury sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node
Mercury square transneptunian,Makemake
Moon in Pisces
Moon square Neptune
Moon square transneptunian,Varuna
Moon trine transneptunian, Quaoar
Moon trine transneptunian, Ixion
Moon sextile transneptunian, Sedna
Moon semisquare transneptunian, Eris in Right Ascension
Mercury biquintile transneptunian,Eris

my need to balance them
are reflected by
Saturn oppose Neptune
Saturn contraparallel Neptune
Saturn conjunct Varuna
Saturn semisquare Eris in Right Ascension

I am grateful that there are some James Randi types that expose metaphysical,psychic frauds that take advantage of people.

I don't believe that all metaphysical,psychic stuff is fake. There are genuine metaphysical,psychic people that do help others.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 26, 2010 01:06 PM            

well spotted, MVM! watts really gets little recognition for putting into words understood by westerners (and spiritual infants)...well, everything really!! lol...

posted February 26, 2010 02:40 PM            

Well..as you know, I have decided to form a nonprofit neurodiversity organization to help people with neurological/learning differences.

I wanted to support Dyspraxia USA organization which I have been a member. I was hoping that the founder,Warren Fried and I could help each other out. I was hoping that he would guide me, and I can help raise awareness about Dyspraxia and Dyspraxia USA organization. I was also planning on donating 1,500 dollars to his organization. I had a hard time getting a hold of him through telephone calls and emails. I found him and Dyspraxia USA on facebook (God bless that network!). I added Warren to my facebook,and he confirmed.

I finally chatted with him yesterday, and I told him my plans. He thought it was a great thing that I am going to do. He and I agreed to join forces. He told me that he can guide me. He told me that by donating $1,500, it would be the most that anybody has ever donated to Dyspraxia USA! He has been doing projects all by himself too. The organization needs the money too. I was going to wait until I set up my organization on June of this year, but I decided to donate the money to the organization by the beginning of next month.
I felt that as his fellow neurodivergent,Dyspraxic, I have to do my part to help the neurodiversity movement and Dyspraxia USA. I told him that I am going to help him,Dyspraxia USA,and the neurodiversity movement for life. He told me the same with him.

I am very glad about my chat with Warren. His reaction to my plans is what I was hoping for. I could use his support,and he could use mine. I do believe that he and I together can help make USA a better place for people with Dyspraxia and people with neurodivergence in general.

This is Dyspraxia USA organization: http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/

A news story on Warren http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=resources/lifestyle_community/community&id =4914626

I kept wondering what asteroid,Warren is doing in my Solar Return. Yes...there is an asteroid called Warren. I figured that it was strongly placed in my Solar Return.

birthdata:
October 29, 1971
San Francisco,CA
3:20 AM

had my Solar Return in Sacramento,CA

I found the following in my Solar Return

Warren in 0'05 Scorpio
conjunct Mercury in 0'21 Scorpio
(Mercury is ruler of the 8th and 11th in my Solar Return......the 8th can be about shared resources and the 11th house can be about friendships,humanitarianism

In Declinations:

Warren 14'04 South
parallel Sun 13'18 South

I also checked other asteroids in regards to his last name,Fried

Frieda
Frieden
Friedman
Friederich
Friederike

This is what I found:

Solar Return Frieda in 11'18 Scorpio in 12th
conjunct Solar Return Ascendant in 13'24 Scorpio

also in Declinations:
Solar Return Frieda 15'56 South
parallel Solar Return Ascendant in 15'31 South

so I have a Frieda-Ascendant occultation in my Solar Return!

Solar Return Friedman in 18'40 Scorpio
conjunct Natal Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
square Solar Return Jupiter in 17'34 Aquarius

Solar Return Friederich in 0'31 Aquarius in
square Solar Return Mercury in 0'21 Scorpio
square Solar Return Warren in 0'05 Scorpio

Solar Return Friederich in 27'47 Libra
square Solar Return Frieden in 27'05 Cancer

and Friederich is conjunct Mercury within 3 degrees, and Frieden is squaring that conjunction in my Solar Return!

I also checked my natal chart too!

Warren in 21'55 Scorpio
conjunct Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

Frieda in 18'59 Scorpio
semisextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Friederich in 19'18 Pisces R
trine Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Friedman in 23'34 Cancer
trine Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

Friederike in 9'48 Capricorn
square Chiron in 10'32 Aries

Frieden in 0'20 Taurus R
quincunx Pluto in 0'51 Libra

so I have Friedman trine a Venus-Warren conjunction

my Mercury,Frieda,Friderich are in 12th harmonic triangle

In Declinations:

Warren 21'17 South
parallel Jupiter 21'12 South

any ways.......I am a big believer in Asteroid Astrology. I don't care how many astrologers are skeptical of Asteroid Astrology. I am also a big believer in Astrology period. I don't care how many astronomers,psychiatrists are skeptical of Astrology.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 26, 2010 02:58 PM              

awesome findings! i also spotted asteroid names are very very accurate indeed.

i hope all goes well with your projects!

posted February 26, 2010 03:07 PM            

They are skeptical because nobody has ever proven astrology to be true.

Scientifically.

And people on this thread who claim to prove astrology/asteroids or whatever, have you ever tried to revolutionize the world with your findings?

Why not prove your 'findings' to the REAL skeptics instead of trying to persuade amatuers?

posted February 26, 2010 04:53 PM            

At most, astrology can be used as evidence for a spiritual world, since we must presuppose that world's existence for astrology to work.

Accept astrology is real and you accept the spiritual is real.

posted February 26, 2010 05:07 PM            

I'll riddle you anytime.

If someone has an unaspected planet, is that planet meaningless?

For Giza, I'd say look at what is there. What's the house? Since it's a family getaway, I'd suspect it would be in your 4th (your home/roots) or 10th (your elders' home/roots). But wherever it is, that house would describe what Giza means to you. 5th - a fun vacation spot. 11th - a place with a strong sense of camaraderie or where your future wishes take form. And so on.

What's the sign? Does that show the feeling there?

Also, since you mentioned it was mainly about your mom and grandmother, check Ceres. Ceres is at the same level as Pluto in the astro world, which I like, seeing as they were rivals and all.

Last but not least, check the always stunning midpoints!

You know what Giza means to you. You're the only one who can say if the way it falls in your chart matches the way you experienced it.

posted February 26, 2010 05:15 PM            

I believe asteroids have meaning, and I'm also a rational person. Really, I am! The tightest planetary aspect in my chart is Mercury sextile Saturn. I also have Mercury cnj Uranus. I'm a fruitcake with common sense.

posted February 26, 2010 05:28 PM            

quote:

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For Giza, I'd say look at what is there. What's the house? Since it's a family getaway, I'd suspect it would be in your 4th (your home/roots) or 10th (your elders' home/roots). But wherever it is, that house would describe what Giza means to you. 5th - a fun vacation spot. 11th - a place with a strong sense of camaraderie or where your future wishes take form. And so on.

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The Asteroid named after an important river in my culture falls in my 4th and loosely trines my moon. I dunno why I just thought of that but I guess it goes with the whole argument overall....it is all kind of subjective. Can't completely rule out one thing just because it doesn't work for you.

posted February 26, 2010 05:37 PM            

My Sun is 16 Sag and my Venus is 13 Cap. Do we have any conjunctions?

posted February 26, 2010 05:51 PM            

quote:

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You really know how to tempt a Sag...

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posted February 26, 2010 06:06 PM            

make sure that you choose Ebertin chart

and then click on the pdf

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 26, 2010 06:53 PM            

- Your right that he wasnt a significant king during the ancient history of Egypt. However he played a huuuge role in present day archeology/egyptology. Before his tomb was found, many of the royal tombs had been ransacked already. Tut's tomb was the most extensively intact, with articles of it's kind...which helped better portray the royal lifestyle of it's time. Also if you've ever studied Art History, Egyptian art during the ancient dynasties differed. Most importantly, he helped fill in many missing links in history, such as family lineage. In many ways the discovery of his tomb was like China's discovery of the terracotta warriors. Chinese ancient history books have always written about the first emperor of China. However there had been no actual proof. Therefore, the West had always considered the 1st Emperor to be a myth until the discovery of that tomb in 1974.

posted February 26, 2010 07:40 PM              

What I mean is...

The guy you mentioned
who proposed the keywords for Eris...

He proposed them as possibilities,
before looking at anyone's chart.

He based them on mythological symbolism
as it relates to orbit and other
astronomical characteristics...

But he didnt base them on
observing how the planet (Eris)
behaves in the natal chart.

And that is the central thing.

So, it should be kept in mind
that these are highly tentative
proposals, not based on a single
actual comparison of an individual
and their natal chart.

If I understood correctly.

There is nothing wrong with proposing
those keywords, unless we assume they
are the result of actual observations
of natal charts and individuals who
have Eris strongly placed.

It's worth making that clear, yes?

DD,

I appreciate the time and effort you put into that, but everything you said and much more can be deduced from a glance at my stellium, and certainly from any number of the threads you've seen me post here. And, yes, you're right to bear Eros's full meaning in mind. Eros, as I understand it, was not primarily about sex or love or any of that -- all that was secondary and came later. Eros (in mythology) primarily signifies the creative impulse.

iQ,

I'm not sure if you intended to compliment me, but I can't be put into a box quite so easily as that. If you had any insight into my chart (or the planet Uranus) you would have understood that first. I am much more than just "a poet" or a Neptunian. I have a highly developed critical intelligence, which you seem to be at pains to overlook. Incidentally, most poets are not minimalists. Far from being discouraged by an abundance of information, a poet (especially a philosopher-poet) tends to be one who delights in variety and in weaving a tapestry out of a thousand incongruent threads. This is true of writers and artists in general, and of the planets Mercury and Neptune. The more chaos, the merrier. Also, I don't appreciate the implication that women cannot keep secrets, or that I have something to hide (I think you'd be hard-pressed to find another Knowflake who is as much of an open book as I am -- whether or not you can understand what you read here is another matter). 'Nuff said.

posted February 26, 2010 08:03 PM            

I agree.

good points.

I just didn't understand your question at first.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 26, 2010 08:59 PM            

IQ you do not need to explain yourself! Valus you ask for evidence of Iq's research... has he not provided enough research here on LL, valuable information that people continue to ask for???

Where is your evidence and what is your special area of interest....

By the way this intellectual stuff you talk... must be accompanied by imagination to allow for creativity....

posted February 27, 2010 04:53 AM            

"ng you said and much more can be deduced from a glance at my stellium,"
I don`t doubt that. I am sure it can, even though I don`t know your birthchart (except that your Moon is in Aquarius and your Uranus is conjunct your Sun, which probably makes you having a Scorpio Sun).
I was just trying to interprete your Grand Cross, as you asked us, too. Not to prove the validity of asteroids, but actually I considered it an excercise for my brain; to train my skills in putting different symbols together and come to some kind of a result.

I must add one thing; I really believe that the planets, especially Sun, Moon, ASC, MC (and even though no planet or angle, nodal axis) are the backbone of a horoscope interpretation.

Maybe I have a slightly different opinion to other "asteroid-believers", but even though I believe in the importance and validity of asteroids, I would never base a complete interpretation on one or two asteroid aspects.
Actually I think you have to take the WHOLE chart into account, plus the progressed / directed charts.

If there are "strong" (and that is depending on our definition of "strong") basic synastric aspects, I am using the asteroid aspects to see what story they tell us "in the frame of the basic patterns".

What I am almost allergic to are astronomical orbs, though. And like many people feel, interpreting asteroids is "reaching", I find that applying a 10 degree orb to a sextile is "reaching".

The nature shows us a 3 degree orb. Period.
By "nature" I mean the observation / or convention of astronomers, observing a full or new moon.
If you calculate the time, astronomers consider a fullmoon to be full, back into orbs, it never exceeds 3 degrees applying and 3 degrees separating.

" and certainly from any number of the threads you've seen me post here."
I didn`t read too many of them, actually, and I think I have been reading none on the astroforum.
To be honest usually I feel you are just trying to instill chaos for the sake of creating a "storm in a teacup", and I like to stay out of fruitless discussions, which have no other result than people yelling at each other and insulting each other.

I admit that it is maybe a wrong assumption on my part, and if it is, I apologize, but for that reason I mainly stay out of your way.

" Eros (in mythology) primarily signifies the creative impulse."
Yes, exactly.

I still think the association with sexual or rather erotic attraction is valid, as often this feeling of being "in love" inspires us to create wonderful things, either starting a new life, a new chapter, or creating a child together, or creating beautiful art.