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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted February 20, 2010 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uh....(gulp)...I think I better show you my chart, iQ. LOOOOOOOOOOOL!! Ummmm....Aphrodite EXACTLY conjuncts my Sun.

OH-----MY-----GOD!!!!!! Now what do I do with this....? AND...my Gold Flying Eagle...?

...geeez, what's a big ol' 12th House girl to do...

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posted February 20, 2010 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Let's see a pic?

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posted February 20, 2010 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope!

I'm very 12th House so I don't put my pictures up or my chart. Sorry. I'm going to email it to him privately.

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posted February 20, 2010 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you a world class beauty?

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posted February 20, 2010 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I can morph into one if I work REALLY HARD at it. Too much work. My average look is frumpy bohemian with long dreadlocks. I have a female musician look, I don't try to go for the "girl singer" look. If you look at the members of Beyonce's all female band, that's more my style. Even though I'm a good singer, I have this thing about being very respected as a musician/keyboard player/commercial songwriter, etc. It's a strong feminist stance.

When I'm doing administrative work I call myself "The Cruncy Granola Corporate B!tch!" It's a look as well.

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posted February 20, 2010 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VALUS,
have you ever checked to see if any Asteroids majorly synchronizes with your chart?

I havent really had the time to explore on asteroids much. So far nothing major has played out for me yet to really confirm. However I hope to god they work...cuz I have Moon conj. Spielberg trine Sun. I'll let you know if that works out lol.


YES, I can vouch that GEO is amazing!! especially her singing...wooOT~

GEO,
it's great seeing you back in operation again. Looks like we have quite a few things in common. I'm pretty 12H myself + "strong feminist stance" = not the best combo for the entertainment industry lol...but I'm with you on that one!
That's awesome you have Aphrodite cj Sun exact! I have Aphro square Sun EXACT...wanna trade? lol. I dont even want to know what that means >_< (that I'll never make it??...crap).
I was thinking about what IQ wrote about that aspect. Asides from physical beauty, maybe there's heavier emphasis on success itself, for that aspect. There's tons of beautiful women, but very few actually achieve major fame. (With looks put aside), maybe it's just success regardless of fame too? I guess we need IQ to elaborate on that.

IQ,
Have you noticed if the Sun/Venus+Goddess aspect applies to men too? I noticed that Mr. Exec has Aphro conj Sun too. He's undoubtedly a very well-kept, handsome man for his age(from my unbiased, artist's POV). Looks aside, he has achieved some hefty intl' fame in producing. So I was wondering if this aspect means just success? or success + fame to be accurate?

[attemted rape and genuine abuse in ladies where Asteroid NESUSS made exact engative aspects to Asteroid DEJANIRA or Venus.]

- Interesting...so I just checked my chart. Never been raped yet, a close call when I was 16, so I have been very very careful ever since not to put myself in compromising situations. I have always felt like a magnet for potential sexual abuse...and I have experienced tons of sexual harassment.
I have:
- Nessus square Venus. (Nessus in 10H too, maybe that's why I get harassed so much on the job front).
- Aphrodite conj Dejanira exact...both squaring my SUN exact!

I guess this kinda makes sense...

My mom was raped twice as a child, by a family friend & also her school teacher. She has:
- Nessus square Venus.
- Dejanira oppose Neptune.

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posted February 20, 2010 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone and his sun is conjunct Aphrodite by 4 degree orb; He's the hottest guy I've prob ever seen in person.

His Aphrodite is on my ASC exact..I wonder what this could mean?

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posted February 20, 2010 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the opposition a negative aspect with respect to Nessus and Venus? And is a -1 separating aspect exact or not?
I have that in my natal and it scares the hell out of me now.

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posted February 21, 2010 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geocosmic, you have explained correctly!
I am honored that you copy-pasted my write-up. Sabian Symbols can also be statistically tested, thanks to certain very clear degrees, like 13-14 Aries. I trust them because they were channeled prior to Satellite Programming Technology of the 1970s.


@Raymond,
I owe you a free manuscript. Many Asteroid theories have been validated by your own experiences, especially the tireless research on Trans-Neptunians, the topic of the future. Trans-Neptunian Asteroid/Comet/Dwarf Planet Astrology will be proven to be the Astrology of the Etheric Body or Higher Chakra System in the future.

@Valus, you have the same mindset of the anti-astrology camp who say any statistical discovery about Sun Signs is anecdotal and coincidence.

You can check the formula here: http://www.mathwords.com/b/binomial_probability_formula.htm

In that link, 7 successful outcomes out of 10 itself is valid, when you have four options. Asteroid Themes have 12 choices.
1/12 chances of being right, 32 times out of 40. The probability that say Asteroid APHRODITE has nothing to do with beauty/attraction or that EROS has nothing to do with passionate inner sexuality is approximately 1/1000,000,000,000,000. My calculator cannot handle so many digits, had to use logarithm tables.

If you still want to believe Asteroid Astrology is useless, it means your Higher Self is prohibiting Asteroid Knowledge for a higher purpose, and the Higher Self is always right. Had you been a believer, I would not have got the opportunity to bring the statistical evidence for Asteroids to more people.

32/40 successes is statistcally miraculous.

7/10 successful outcomes itself is Valid. Remember this the rest of your life, and your Planetary Astrology skills will also improve.

General Point:
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Carl Tobey mentions in his book about 80% of all German Spies caught in WW2 being Sagittarius Suns. The Statistical Probability Formula would show this occurance as a miraculous one in many millions. Yet he was attacked by certain Astronomer skeptics in a newspaper.
He started posting the probability calculations of Astrology in his magazine and compared them vis-a-vis what Astro Physicists and Theoretical Physicists use to propound their hypothesis as "scientific fact", the "skeptics" chickened out and sent him a letter of truce. They stopped printed criticism of Tobey from that day.

Millions of skeptics DO NOT KNOW MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY. Know the math, and you wil know the secret signs of the Universe.
Like why a Capricorn Rising child born on an 8th stays in an 8 numbered house, has admission number totalling 8 and wins a contest on a 17th or a 26th etc etc.
For a skeptic that is coincidence but probability shows one in hundreds of thousands. 1/100 itself is acceptable for engineers and scientists as being Non-Random.


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posted February 21, 2010 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agent, very distressing to read about what happened to your Mom. Nessus square Venus... very dangerous. Even in synastry.
I have lost count of the evidences.

Aphrodite square Sun means Beauty is the cause of challenges to the Core Personality.
It need not make the girl unattractive. As in your case, you are far more attractive than a Tia Carerra in her peak, yet the male chauvinistic film industry does not want to look into your filmmaking talent because of their sexist assumptions.
The Square is a driver, it will utlimately propel you to success if you dont give up.

About Aphrodite in Men, have not made a statistical study but your observation is on track that such men would like to look attractive. Sun conj KAALI affects men and women in the same way....

@Rajin: Squares are always more dangerous than oppositions, especially when a Nessus type object is concerned.
Is it easier to defend when the enemy in front [opposition] or when the enemy attacks from the side [square] ?

Nessus in 12th and NEMESIS in 12th, these are a deadly cocktail for any person.
Much to enlighten about Nemesis, I got an email from a wonderful, gem of a Star Seed who just went through a NEMESIS transit.

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posted February 21, 2010 08:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Important?

yes.

REal?

yes.

Evidence?

just with one phrase:and i can pick many others if you like:

my Name is Ana.im portuguese,and the word means "Full of Grace".

Asteroid Hanna is cj my ASC by 1ºorb.

Hmmm more?

My asteroid JOhn7 ( my bf´s name) is cj my VErtex in the 7th.

More?

Asteroid Anna is trine my ASC 0ºorb

More?

My Asteroids Karma and Valentine are trine my asteroid Jonnhy.

More?

my bf´s chart asteroid JOhnPaul ( it is exactlt his name) is sexile his asteroid Anna and trine his asteroid Hanna.

mORE?

SINATRSY:

my Hanna/ASC cj his Sun 0º
his Hanna cj my Sun 1º

so now tell me what are the odds of that????


the day we met face to face John had:

Tr Anna cj Adorea
Tr Adorea cj Hanna

Tr Tyche cj KARMA

i had: tr Sun cj Node(coming of a man) and Tr Adorea cj the Sun.

Tr Jonnhy cj nJohnPaul


God works in misterious ways,,,and the Universe is funny showing it!

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posted February 21, 2010 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Superb finding Diandra, you did not mention before that both Anna and Hanna made valid aspects.

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posted February 21, 2010 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, great findings, Diandra, and yet even these will probably not convince a sceptic.

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im all over it IQ hihihi you know how i am hihihi

and more:

in dracos on the day we met ihad:

Tr Karma was cj my draco john and Vertex
Tr JohnPaul cj nTyche
Tr venus cj Valentine

john had tr union opose venus
tr valentine opose sun
tr jup cj moon
tr adorea cj vx
tr hanna opose adorea

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posted February 21, 2010 08:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD

yes maybe not...but it will plant the seed of doubt deep inside.

im sure of it!the probabilities just of the Dw or of the hanna/Asc in my natal are just...crazy...so scientifically even the specktics will agree that in this case,nothing is by chance.

name asteroids work at vibracional frequency,and i could even show portuguese asteroids...how they work in our charts...it is real and we all know that by experience.

if it is important?yes. but each one of us only look at the asteroids that resonate with our frequency.

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posted February 21, 2010 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I'm probably not going to convince the disbelievers, but here are just a couple of asteroid transits the day I met my guy:

My chart:
transiting Destinn conjunct His Name/Valentine
transiting Karma conjunct Boda
transiting North Node conjunct Eros
transiting His Name conjunct Karma

His chart:
transiting Valentine conjunct My Name
transiting Karma conjunct Juno
transiting My Name conjunct Part Fortune
transiting Boda conjunct Venus
transiting Eros conjunct Destinn

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VIG

Awesome aspects!how could it be another way,if you are Twins?

i cannot pick a favorite aspect of your list,cause they are all"WOW" type hihihi

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posted February 21, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
In that link, 7 successful outcomes out of 10 itself is valid, when you have four options. Asteroid Themes have 12 choices.
1/12 chances of being right, 32 times out of 40. The probability that say Asteroid APHRODITE has nothing to do with beauty/attraction or that EROS has nothing to do with passionate inner sexuality is approximately 1/1000,000,000,000,000. My calculator cannot handle so many digits, had to use logarithm tables.

The flaw is really quite simple.

First, it doesn't really matter which sign an asteroid falls under, does it? If Aphrodite deals with attraction, she could do so from any sign and from any house, because there are and can be no signs of detriment, because that's not the course of study asteroid astrologers are interested in. Even if there were places in the chart that aphrodite could be found to be ugly or less attractive, I'm pretty confident we'd find variance just like we do with planets in places of detriment or fall. A planet in detriment or fall can be saved via its aspects with other planets. Therefore, the idea of a 1/12 placement is moot.

Second, what would Aphrodite have to aspect in order for an Aphroditan beauty to be claimed?

Sun conjunct Aphrodite = beauty
Moon conjunct Aphrodite = beauty
Venus conjunct Aphrodite = beauty
Ascendant conjunct Aphrodite = beauty

We would hold all of these aspects as true, correct? Then we'd probably also be willing to go further, and say that Aphrodite positively aspecting any of these points will also speak to a person's beauty. Before you know it 7 successful outcomes out of 10 is a statistically easy feat, and the probability that Aphrodite has something to do with beauty goes back to being about the same as other factors might imply. In fact, if a person's only Aphrodite contact were associated with a planet not as associated with our being as the Sun, Moon, or Venus, we'd probably start justifying that person's beauty as a trademark of whatever planet their aphrodite aspected ("You've got real Saturnian beauty").

What about this situation:

Sun square Aphrodite with
Venus, Moon, or Ascendant trine Aphrodite

Then we'd have to have a look at the person, right? Because we'd have to see whether the negative aspect outweighs the positive. Then the subjective nature of beauty comes into play.

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posted February 21, 2010 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi AG,

quote:
In fact, if a person's only Aphrodite contact were associated with a planet not as associated with our being as the Sun, Moon, or Venus, we'd probably start justifying that person's beauty as a trademark of whatever planet their aphrodite aspected ("You've got real Saturnian beauty").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3KpUO6t9qQ

I think Stevie Wonder might have Aphrodite aspecting his Saturn to write a song like this about Saturn. I'll check.

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posted February 21, 2010 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, Stevie's Aprodite doesn't aspect anything tightly, just a sextile to Venus by 2 degrees. But then, Stevie judges beauty by a whole different criteria because...HE'S BLIND!

Did you ever notice that the women Stevie Wonder married all had incredibly charming voices? His first wife Syreeta Wright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMjE8jJGJ0A

His 2nd wife, Yoland, had a very deep rich voice... I don't have an audio example for her, unfortunately.

Um...I think I hijacked this thread, but maybe for a good reason that I...uh...haven't figured out yet. Sorry.

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posted February 21, 2010 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's ok. I'm really not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm just good at deconstructing ideas. Scientifically, I agree that asteroids should be given a chance to prove themselves. I just want people to see that we're capable of constructing a justification that may not really be there.

My Aphrodite is in Taurus in the 12th. It's trine my Sun and Jupiter by 7 and 4 degrees respectively. It's quincunx my Venus (2 degrees). I'm not ugly, but I wouldn't be a beauty award winner either.

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posted February 21, 2010 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi AG,
I agree with some of your observations.We always say that just a Sun in the 7th house or venus conj mars in synastry charts does not mean that it will lead to a committment, we have to look at other aspects too. In the same way asteroids too have to be looked at in totality.
I have Nessus opp my venus in natal and it scared the hell out of me. Iq said that negative aspects of Nessus to Venus in 7 cases have shown rape or some form of abuse.But my Nessus is retrograde, also just having it oppose my venus shld not lead to a trauma of that proportion.
I realized that it was a knee jerk reaction and that words have a powerful way of influencing people. This is just a POV from some people but does not mean that it is a rule.
Sun conj Aphrodite will not by itself make someone beautiful. What about all the beauty queens who do not have this aspect? What makes them gorgeous?
After all beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

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posted February 21, 2010 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"My Aphrodite is in Taurus in the 12th. It's trine my Sun and Jupiter by 7 and 4 degrees respectively."

shrugs

I think that those orbs are too big. I don't feel comfortable using an orb more than 3 degrees for asteroids.


Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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posted February 22, 2010 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would only make it all the better to mention, because without any good contacts I should theoretically be gruesome.

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posted February 22, 2010 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh NO!! I have asteroid GRUESOME exactly conjunct my Moon.

Now I'm all confused...

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