posted February 27, 2010 05:40 AM            

And what do you think those copious amounts of threads about asteroids are all about... fancy flight?
Do you not think that research is ongoing here at the astrology forum.

Ofcourse a control group should be included and that is essentially what is gradually happening.

I feel that the logic associated with the Global Unity community is attacking rather than questioning. Since it is particularly obvious that people here have great interest in asteroids AND have also questioned them, I'm unsure of the validity of this "Skepticism".... Asteroids are an ongoing "discussion" here and the tone of the thread seems a little less than a discussion... Especially when this type of skepticism is expressed throughout all the forums....

Is there by any chance a hint of throwing a spanner into the works going on here?
Or a hidden ego agenda being satisfied?

posted February 27, 2010 07:37 AM              

i completely understand what youīre saying and i agree

all the tone of this thread from some people seems not to be the one of learming and be open to new perspectives ( after all the asteroids proof accurately as working),but seems only to have been created with purpose of making fun,and continut the skepticim (even after all the accuratr researches)....

Vaslus obviously ignore the vallidation of asteroids aand when doesnt know what to answer,cause it dioesnt have arguments,simply ignire it,and make fun of IQīs research....

posted February 27, 2010 09:21 AM              

quote:

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I admit that it is maybe a wrong assumption on my part, and if it is, I apologize, but for that reason I mainly stay out of your way.

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Apology accepted.

Many people get that impression of Uranians,
especially Uranians with a very high purpose.

I'm not perfect, and my motives,
like anybody else's, are not 100% pure,
though, unlike most, I'll see and admit that.

A great teacher of mine once told me,
"Hemingway wasn't always Hemingway,
Faulkner wasn't always Faulkner."

Now, he may have meant that they
grew into the men they became...

But I prefer to think he meant that
we are not always at our best.

As a Scorpio,
I know I run the gamut,
from the best to the worst.

But I never started controversy
for the sake of starting controversy.

Although I dont think that's
necessarily wrong...
it's a lot like "art for art's sake" --
something I understand, but has
no appeal for me, since art
(like controversy) can be used
as a vehicle for something greater.

Everything I've said --
give or take the occassional slip --
has been sincere and done
for the sake of humanity and truth.

My advocacy of animal rights,
of determinism, of minimal procreation,
of Riane Eisler's Cultural Transformation Theory,
of Terence McKenna's research on psilocybin..
and of many other things which inevitably
produce conflict when introduced into our society...
all of this has been for the sake of my ideals.

There are plenty of people whose first reaction
is to cast suspicion on the motives of reformers --
when we cannot defend a position, we often direct attention
onto the person who is challenging that position,
and away from the challenges they pose --
and it is understandable, especially when
those reformers are only human, as I am.

But I know my heart.

I know how powerful my imagination
and my intuition are, and I know that
my skepticism can keep pace with them.

If it suits people to paint me with one brush, --
if they cannot stretch their minds to allow for
the possibility of the existence of someone like me --
they will see me as predominantly skeptical, or,
as iQ prefers to think, lost in a Neptunian fog.

But the function of Uranus has always been
to pierce that fog with lightning bolts of insight.

And, at my best, that's all I try to do.

posted February 27, 2010 10:15 AM              

It seems harmless enough to me.

Why do you ignore everything else
and see only the one thing that
may be interpreted negatively?

Who is being negative here?

Check yourself.

posted February 27, 2010 10:29 AM              

quote:

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Anyway, I'm not militant about this. If asteroids are helpful to some people, for whatever reason, great. While I think the same factors show up regardless, I do think some people are more or less comfortable using asteroids, and comfort is conducive to clear astrological interpretation. We find what works for us. I would just recommend that people use caution, and not be so quick to judge. I seem to see a lot of shoddy astrologizing in this thread.

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Also, if anybody missed it,
I'm not the only person here
challenging how asteroids are used
or questioning iQ's methodology.

posted February 27, 2010 11:06 AM            

quote:

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If Aron should come upon an anthill in a little clearing in the brush, he would lie on his stomach and watch the complications of ant life—he would see some of them bringing food in the ant roads and others carrying the white eggs. He would see how two members of the hill on meeting put their antennas together and talked. For hours he would lie absorbed in the economy of the ground.

If, on the other hand, Cal came upon the same anthill, he would kick it to pieces and watch while the frantic ants took care of their disaster. Aron was content to be a part of his world, but Cal must change it.

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East of Eden by John Stenbeck

posted February 27, 2010 01:45 PM            

the opening thread asks a question. people have contributed their opinions. you may urge someone to be more scientific but astrology is not just a science, it is also an intuitive art, in fact it hones the intuition.

there is no one answer to the opening question, in my opinion. i have found asteroids deepen and expand the basic chart. i don't generally use astrology for prediction in any case, but for depth study of myself, life and those of others...

so another question might be, for those who want PROOF, do asteroids do any harm?

posted February 27, 2010 01:46 PM            

I agree with how you approach asteroids.

Damn...it seems that I agree with you on a regularly basis.

oh yeah.....you were born on my Skepticus return. You were even skeptical of our close Skepticus conjunctions that she thought it was a slow moving object when it's actually a typical asteroid.

hahahahaha

What did you think about my asteroid findings in regards to Warren Fried? I think that goes way beyond coincidence. I even found stuff like I suspected like a strongly placed Warren in my Solar Return chart.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 27, 2010 01:49 PM            

So if one assumes that asteroids are valid, then one has to prove it with valid evidence.

Yet equally, if one assumes that asteroids are not valid, then one has to prove it with valid evidence as well.

posted February 27, 2010 02:05 PM            

I may not always agree with some methods or the ways of expression of you or other members on here - but to be fair I must admit that I didn`t follow these threads enough to really be able to form a valid opinion-, but I always believed that whatever you did, you were really sincere and passionate about it.
And that is something I respect.

I may not be a REAL Uranian, but with my Moon in Aquarius, parallel Uranus (and contraparallel Pluto), I do have a little bit understanding for Uranians at least.
I guess my basically unaspected Uranus may play a role, too, now and then.

posted February 27, 2010 02:05 PM            

quote:

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the opening thread asks a question. people have contributed their opinions. you may urge someone to be more scientific but astrology is not just a science, it is also an intuitive art, in fact it hones the intuition.

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posted February 27, 2010 02:06 PM              

last night i thougt about this thread.

i was thinking that you could start also a thread about the latest hearthquakes and see the patterns in asteroids.

of course nobody can proof that asteroids dont have validity...cause indeed.they have and we all proof it by now...

posted February 27, 2010 02:22 PM              

But i believe that the time is coming,when youīll be able to even predict the earthquakes.and other stuff.

and people that are skeptical now,wont be anymore when that happens.but i see it as a sad thing though...

what more is needed to be shown...asterois are not only important,but accurate and validation already is here whenever we find accurate answers.

and one thing is for sure at least for me.

It all starts with my intuition.

if i go search for something i already have a specific thing in my Mind.the asteroids used are simply there.not as a cause of what we feel,but as an effect.

nothing is coincidence and nothing is here or there randomly...God is much more intelligent than that.

i believe that he even might enjoing all our games in this reality plane...he must laugh his heart out whenever he sees us Humans Of Little Faith,having always to validate things in order for them to be real to us...

posted February 27, 2010 02:23 PM            

"Damn...it seems that I agree with you on a regularly basis."
I am not complaining.
Actually it confirms my opinions / ideas even more.

"You were even skeptical of our close Skepticus conjunctions that she thought it was a slow moving object when it's actually a typical asteroid.

hahahahaha"

LOL Yes, I remember.
Interestingly my Amor on 2 Sagittarius is pretty close to that conjunction, too, so I must love your sceptical side, which I do.

"What did you think about my asteroid findings in regards to Warren Fried? I think that goes way beyond coincidence."
This asteroid stuff is just mindblowing. Really, I am amazed again and again.

Another thing that I found strange is that 3 performers that I admire very much, have their Sappho conjunct my Moon. All three of them. All within about 2 degrees.
A fourth has his Sappho exactly opposite my Sun-Moon-mp and conjunct my Vertex and Eros exactly.
Not sure what that means, if it means anything at all, but I found that just so interesting. 2 of them are gay, 2 are not, so I think this is not the common thing.
I have seen all four of them live.

Another performer I saw on stage some years ago and who coincidentally resided in the same hotel as me, which probably was the reason that he felt the need to integrate me into his "act" one evening, had his
Venus, Mars and Sappho trine my natal Moon (and my own Sappho) and also trine my progressed Venus (and Mercury).

I just thought that was a bit weird.

posted February 27, 2010 02:30 PM            

quote:

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I may not always agree with some methods or the ways of expression of you or other members on here - but to be fair I must admit that I didn`t follow these threads enough to really be able to form a valid opinion-

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posted February 27, 2010 02:40 PM              

My MOther+s asteroid name is cj my fathers sun

my momīs valentine is cj my fatherīs amor

My Mom+s IC is cj my Father+s asteroid name

My Mom+s Tyche is cj My Fatherīs Karma

My Motherīs Felicitas/Asteroid name of Father is cj my Fathers Venus

i could go on you know....

Valus

is this coincidence?why are these asteroids there you ask....
i would say:dont ask why are they there,simply ask: why woudltn they Be?

LET US PEEK MY FAMILY NAMES

in sinastry of my parents

asteroid Anna of Mom is cj Hanna of my Dad
asteroid Filip.of my Mom is cj Maria of my Dad
asteroid Hanna of my Mom is cj kiron/IC of my Dad
MC of my Mom is cj Anna of my Dad

asteroid carina of my father is cj venus of Mom

want to see the DRACONIC?

Dadīs Name cj my Momīs UNION
Dadīs DSC cj my Mom+s Filpe. (borthers name)
Dad+s Maria cj Momīs ASC
Dadīs KARMA cj Momīs CARINA ( my sister)
Dadī+s Moon/Tyche/Union cj Momīs Name
Dad+s Venus/Carina cj my Momīs Venus

....i dont need to say nothing actually...we are all interlinked with each others deeply at the soul level....we choosed to be a family.

posted February 27, 2010 03:40 PM              

day of birth of my eldest sister

My mothers chart RACONIC

tr Sophia was cj my fathers name chart.
tr Moon cj my mothers name
tr sun/Manuel was cj Pluto

TROPICAL

Tr MARIA cj her Moon
Tr Tyche cj Kiron
Tr Union cj IC
Tr Moon in last degrees of her 4th
Tr Kiron cj her DSC

DAY my brother was born TROPICAL

Tr Pluto cj her jup/asc/kiron
Tr karma cj saturn
Tr Filip was opsoe her Filipe 0š
tr sun cj Karma

DAY my brother was born DRACONIC OF FATHER

Tr tyche cj ASC
Tr Venus cj pluto
Tr Node cj Kiron
Tr FILIP EXACT CJ MARIA....hihihi
Tr Moon cj my fathers name

DAY my brother was born DRACONIC OF MOTHER

TR FILIP.was cj her ASC/Kiron/Jup...
Tr uranus cj SUN
Tr sun cj Pluto

DAY Me my Twin sister were born TROPICAL MOM

we were born with 6,half months...

Tr Hanna cj her Nept(maybe thats why im so neptunian hihihih)
Tr Tyche/Pluto cj Tyche..of course!
Tr Nep cj IC
Tr ANNA cj tr Kiron cj Uranus ( i had terrible health problems i even died for some seconds...)
Tr CARINA was cj Moon....
Tr MANUEK/VENUS cj HAnna ( my father is very attactched to me...)
Tr MARIA/FILIP. cj CARINA. ( they are very attacthed to my sister too...)

DAY Me my Twin sister were born DRACONIC MOM

Tr venus cj jup/asc
Tr Sun cj kiron
Tr merc /ruler of her asc and mc)cj Tyche
Tr Hanna cj Tyche 0š
Tr Jup/Uranus cj IC
Tr Moon cj kiron
Tr kiron/Anna cj Saturn
Tr Carina cj NN
TR UNION cj Anna
Tr Manuel cj CARINA

asteroids are only where they are,to show waht we already have decided prior (spiritualy).

posted February 27, 2010 04:05 PM            

My first name (also my dad's first name) isn't conjunct anything (except perhaps other asteroids I didn't include). My first name wasn't available solo, so I went with Michaelperson. If you were to allow for a five degree orb Michaelperson would be conjunct Uranus as well as trine my middle name, which is the name I go by.

My mother's first name, Judith, is conjunct my Saturn in the first. That would seem like a harsh place for her.

I just realized that it didn't show all the asteroids I included. Is there a limit?

California is at zero degrees Scorpio.

posted February 27, 2010 04:11 PM              

there are a limit of 11 per chart.

you can also look at draconics cause they show what is the spiritual bond really.the tropical is just about this current lifetime,wether the tropical show deepest conections that were made in the past and also are translated into the present.

name asteroids are amazingly accurate.

mther must be some michaels asteroids,choose the ones you feel suits you best.

as all relationships that are important are karmic ones i would check the names with some karmic asteroids:i used them to see my family conections and worked fantasticly well

fortuna 19
tyche 258
karma 1388
amor 1221
valentine 447
angel 11911 ( this one usually points the ones that you feel conected deeply to your soul) the same with spirit 37452