posted February 22, 2010 07:32 PM            

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You obviously have no idea what I'm saying here, because skepticism is needed in life.

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I typed absolutely no judgment or opinion on skepticism in this thread. So I'm really not sure what you're referring to.

I was asking about what I saw (and continue to see) as an inconsistency in your beliefs re: skepticism.

1. You said skepticism is absolutely needed in life.
2. You said The ONLY true knowledge available is our connection with God.

posted February 22, 2010 07:34 PM              

oh sorry...my mistake! i see your point yes.

Raspberri

there you go: you believe that humans needs beliefs...but that is the main problem really...are those beliefs...your own?or made by others??? you stopped believeing in GOd why?cause he didnt listened to your prayers? and why do you put GOD in one side and astrology on the other side??

God is everything and is in everything...so astrology is also a Divine Tool..not a temptation...temptation is just a word used by Church to make us believe in Devils and Hells...

i was miserable when i was a catholic cause i was walways living in fear h i forgot to pray yesterday;oh i cannot eat meat cause is a sin in this day;oh im lazy and im a sinner...oh i must go to church every sunday or i go to Hell...

you see? by personal experience i kknow now that the Beliefs i had were not working for me...they were trash in my life cause it was preventing me of being Free.Happy.Loving.Free of guilts and strange fears...so i stopped,i desctructed all those beliefs and search within.i asked Guidance and i acted in FAITH.

you know what happened?a series of "synchronicities" started happening and i was amazed...i now can even ask my Hiher Self to show me what i need to know in a moment of my life,and if im really aware,the answers come to me.in an easy way.like if it was Magic...is this racional???NO!!DO I CARE???NO!!! Cause...they come directly from my Soul,they are my Truth. i dont need proofs,i dont need to explain,i dont care if others judge!! imagine the feeling of liberty this gives me!!!it is amazing!

posted February 22, 2010 07:39 PM              

all i see is that:by trying to get proofs you+re simply showing lack of Faith.and showing fear...

it is when we dont need proofs that we are finally Free and achieving the real "truths" in Life....everytime you will to Science,there will be somethin in this reality that will proove to be a mistery...nothing that is really important can be scientifically prooved...Vapor is right: if skepticism is absolutely needed in life,and life is empty without it,then how can the only true knowledge be our conection to God? something impossible to be prooved?

posted February 22, 2010 07:42 PM            

That's why people don't like to major in Philosophy. There are NO ANSWERS.

u get me?

And hey, the proof has to be shown with astrology because it's an art, something to learn tangibly.

posted February 22, 2010 07:44 PM            

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You cannot grasp the message my mind is trying to convey. It's ok.

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AGAIN - to restate what I mentioned previously.. I was simply wondering - as a person trained in philosophy, as a person who has studied philosophy extensively.. how you would explain this apparent inconsistency in your beliefs?

However - it seems your opinion is that there is NO inconsistency at all.

I can agree that this is correct ^ if you agree that the language you used initially was incorrect. Because the language you used implies a complete lack of skepticism.

There is a difference between saying: "I believe in God." Or "I believe the only true knowledge comes from God."

And saying:

"There is a God." Or "The only true knowledge comes from God."

posted February 22, 2010 07:46 PM              

sometimes people just dont see it! but it is ok...it is part of each one´s path..

posted February 22, 2010 07:49 PM            

I've already passed my stage of being skeptical towards God. And at this point I can argue all day and night with people about it.

But I've discovered I cannot prove my belief in God to be TRUE to anyone.

posted February 22, 2010 07:49 PM            

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You cannot grasp the message my mind is trying to convey. It's ok.

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And rasberri - by all means help me.. grasp.

Why leave now?

I mean if you are going to flaunt a few courses you took as a badge of honor.. I would like to see some actual philosophy coming out of this conversation.

posted February 22, 2010 07:50 PM              

i loved philosophy in Highschool i had the highest grades at it...beautiful times of those....

loved psichology also...i was never a lover of Science though...it raised more questions to me than answers...

posted February 22, 2010 07:52 PM            

Argument NUMBER ONE

God is real because nothing higher can be concieved. Ever.

What's your response to this?

posted February 22, 2010 07:59 PM            

I am certain there would be a conceivability argument out there asking us to conceive of the world in such a way that God is not a part of it.

posted February 22, 2010 07:59 PM              

i can share of course:

one conclusion: in this plane of counsciousness that you are now,you see life in a relative perspective. to be able to practise the free arbithrium God had to create the appearance of relativeness: to exist the dark it had to exist the white,for us to know the sun we had to know also what the rain is...and so on...

what you dont know yet cause it is natural that you dont,due to your specticism and being a science person,is that....you´re living an illusion. it is only when you detacth from your Ego that you will really know what LIFE IS.

when you do that,you must de-construct your self by craking up all your beliefs,and restructure all of them,by personal experience.you must allow yourself to be open,with heart and Soul totally open for what might come.

this involves a process that is lonely and hard.people have to be strong and dont listen to othe+s judgements. if others say your+re crazy..doenst matter.cayse you+re only doing what you´re suppose to do:knowing who you really ARE.

if you read the Bible,you see that all is in metaphors right?nothing there is as it seems to be....but for you to know that,and to know what is really written in there..you must stop trying to rationalize.stop working only with Mind and proofs...we dont need proofs for anything if we have FAITH.

posted February 22, 2010 08:00 PM            

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I'm leaving now, be back later vapor

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Ok Rasberri - I feel like I'm picking on you with all of this, but that wasn't my intention. I agree with your own intuitions because they are similar to mine. I do believe in the existence of God (on my own version of that).
What I don't particularly like in your posts (and this was not the first time) is that they seem feisty and you often end up blowing your own horn to back something up.

posted February 22, 2010 08:02 PM            

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i loved philosophy in Highschool i had the highest grades at it...beautiful times of those....

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posted February 22, 2010 08:03 PM              

im sleepy and its past 1 am so i guess i wont make the best sense now hihihih

Vapor

guard your arguments for later cause Raspberri will arrive at full steam.

posted February 22, 2010 08:08 PM            

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guard your arguments for later cause Raspberri will arrive at full steam.

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posted February 22, 2010 08:08 PM              

i loved and still love everything that makes me work with words.im not so good at speech presentations but pretty good in my writting habilities.

unfortunatelly i went for science field in college imagine that!hihih i believe i never worked in this field cause ive never had the passion for it.

my Passion is all that has to do with imagination,wondering thoughts,discovering new philosophies etc...that is why i love thse kind of threads...specktics are welcomed cause without them we wouldnt know what Faith IS.

posted February 22, 2010 08:15 PM              

"Keep thy heart (or imagination) with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life."
(Prov. 4:23.)

"By your
words ye are justified and by your words ye are condemned."

"Ask, and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it
shall be opened unto you." (Mat. 7:7).

"Why are ye fearful, oh ye of little faith?" (Mat. 8:26.)

"My word shall not return unto me void, but shall accomplish that where unto
it is sent."

"All things whatsoever ye ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

all of these has a deeper meaning..i´ll leave it to think about what it might be...

posted February 22, 2010 10:02 PM            

Let's clear up a few things quickly.

Diandra,

Most of what you've said is nonsense to a more ananalytical type person. "Generalizations" are what astrology is all about, objectively speaking, so there can't be any sin there. If you believe God is everything, then logically God is skepticism, too. If you were to believe God is the creator, then he/she/it would be the creator of skeptics. Therefore, living with skepticism is quite normal. Skepticism IS crucial. Skepticism is born of our analytic ability. With it we're able to discern right from wrong, truth from folly. You'd be sunk without it. Your belief in a purely spiritual existence is an impossibility for the more rationally-minded. The law of attraction is not a viable truth either. This is proved by countless people believing terrible times would befall them, only to find that nothing bad happened. If the law of attraction were true, everyone that ever worried over bad possibilities would have seen them come to fruition.

Vapor,

I get everything Raspberri's saying quite easily, and it's not as contradictory as you made it out to be.

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1. You said skepticism is absolutely needed in life.
2. You said The ONLY true knowledge available is our connection with God.

The wording you used in no.2 leaves no room for skepticism re: the existence of a God.. or more precisely.. it renders the availability of "knowledge" - true knowledge.. in the absence of a God and in the absence of a connection to that God - impossible.

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This is a incorrect statement as far as I can see. Number one doesn't qualify that skepticism MUST be levied on everything at all times. Therefore, she doesn't require skepticism in thinking of God (though I bet she still does have some skepticism regarding God). On the second point, I'm sure that if you believe God is the source of knowledge, then you'd have to also believe that everyone is connected with God. Generally, people who believe in God believe everyone is connected to this God in some manner. I think maybe it was a Sun square Sun thing.

posted February 22, 2010 11:05 PM            

I am in agreement with you.

In regards to Law of Attraction, well.....I think it's about positive thinking, having a plan, and putting it to action to manifest the results that you want.

I think of what Thomas Edison said

genius is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration

meaning he had an idea, and he worked hard for it to manifest into concrete form

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"