posted February 19, 2010 11:15 PM            

Who directed it? Maybe his name will be prominent.

posted February 20, 2010 12:53 AM            

Bellow are the exactly progression I have. If they work I think I should feel it but I don't. I have many more asteroids progression in tight orb but not so exact as this bellow..

8 mars 2010 I have

SA pluto 26,51 exact conj N valentine 26,51
SA wertex 10, 40 conj DC 10,42
SA wertex 10,40 opp N sun 10,47
SA amor 10,29 conj DC 10,42
SA amor 10,29 opp N Sun 10,47

SA pallas 4,29 conj N lust 4,23
SA juno 4,22 conj N lust 4,23
SA karma conj N boda 0,03 appl
SA siva 11,26 conj N medea 11,44/N alma 12,37
SA isis 6,36 conj N makemake 0-1 appl
SA ceres 6,28 conj N destinn 7,23
SA BML 7,21 conj N destinn 7,23
SA psycke exact conj part of mirrage
SA karma 27,38 opp N venus 28,3

PR valentine 10,2 square N AC 10,42
PR valentine 10,2 square N sun 10,42

SOME OF THE SA SEPARETING ASPECT WITHOUT ANY EFFECT

Destinn conj N chiron 1-2 sep
Destinn conj N innanen 0-1 sep
Briede conj N pluto 1-2 sep
SA karma conj N amor/wertex 1 sep
SA psyche conj N chiron 3-4 sep
SA psyche conj N innanen 1-2 sep

All the aspect to my natal and the events in my life it doesn't disagree. That give me much doubt and I wonder if asteroids really work. For me it's the most intresting to se if something work in my own life first. If it's not work there I can't believ on it...

posted February 20, 2010 01:17 AM            

Duality2,

How do you think that Valentine expresses itself with your name asteroid? I can only think of my astrology business name as an example.

posted February 20, 2010 02:54 AM            

It took thousands of years to decipher the workings of the planets. It seems like far too little time has passed for claims to be made on freshly discovered asteroids. Beyond that, very few astrologers seem to have the statistical skill and detachment necessary to adequately catalog the effects of other, newer astrological bodies.

posted February 20, 2010 03:55 AM            

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I don't give credence to the name association theory either.

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Ok so AG - Why does Mars have the astrological meaning it has?
I have a hard time believing that if we named it "Large Red Lollypop" it would bear the same astrological interpretation.

Why does Venus refer to the way we love and the object of our affection? If the planet was not given the name Venus (goddess of love).. If it was named "Planet Number 45" - How would we interpret that?

When you say the names are coincidental.. Do you mean to say that the planets already had a particular influence - an influence that we *discovered* and thus attributed the correct name to the correct planetary influence?

posted February 20, 2010 03:59 AM            

Who named Pluto

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Venetia Burney (Venetia Katherine Douglas Phair, July 11, 1918- April 30,2009) was the young girl who suggested the name Pluto for the planet discovered by Clyde W. Tombaugh in 1930. At the time, she was 11 years old and lived in Oxford, England.

Pluto is the name for the Roman God of the Underworld.

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An 11 year old named Pluto... Did she intuitively guess an objective influence that Pluto already had upon us all?
I don't know. I just find it difficult to believe.

posted February 20, 2010 04:22 AM            

Now back to the topic.
Asteroids. Do they work? And to what extent?

In terms of gravity, certainly not much effect. But if only gravity were important, then Pluto would be pointless. The dense mind of the bestial human that just wants to eat, mate and sleep. Yes, that would need gravity. This beast would be totally under the control of the Sun and the Moon.

The human who values some decorum, some consideration, emotions and some learning. One who wants to become a better human. One who would attempt to resist beastly urges. Now this chap would feel Mercury, Venus and Mars.

But what of the one who starts feeling the Soul? One who knows of consequences of negativity? One who wants to grow as a human being? He would feel Jupiter and Saturn.

The first batch of Asteroids help here. To connect to this higher level. Each little Asteroid that meanigfully aspects the Sun, Moon or Ascendant, or has very strong stelliums will have subtle influences, and knolwedge of these definitely helps the evolution of the seeking human into a spiritual person.

Then we have Uranus, Neptune and all the Transneptunian Objects. They will help usher in the Star Trek age of spiritual humanity working with the principles of virtue for its own sake, and for the collective growth of humanity. The bestial nature would have been vanquished.

Next, about the uses of the subtle effects.

Planets will give the very broad sketch, the size and shape of the cake. Asteroids will tell the precise flavour. The Asteroid skeptic is someone who goes into a restaurant and just wants good food, or a nice cake. He or She would not [should not actually] complain about the flavour.
The Asteroid applier would exactly specify a chocolate cake with cinnamon essence and orange blossom, coffee-licquer laced icing and strawberry flakes on the cake.
It is about individual choice of how much one wants to know about oneself to help in evolution.

Next, about research. I an an Asteroid Astrology researcher. I study 40-50 charts per important Asteroid. If the effect appears in more than 80% of the cases, I use it as it shows very high probability. If not, I check for another type of meaning and do the same till there is atleast 80% of the effect. If I dont get that, it means I dont understand that Asteroid THEME or Name Frequency. One advantage is that of the 15000 or so Asteroids, the ones with highly significant meaning in the human consciousness are not more than 500. Of these, about 100 are very impactful.
And even this impact is only when there are meaningful planetary aspects to boost the "frequency" of the Asteroid.

Now, why should we use Asteroids?

All Human achievement or Notoreity is by specialists. Joe Ordinary does not create a billion dollar empire, does not invent rocket fuel, does not create occult lodges nor does he become a pornstar nor a serial rapist. I see planetary astrologers wrte vague passages for aspects. Beating about the bush and writing tons of unspecific setences to ensure that atleast one of the hundred descriptions comes true.

Not one of those astrologers has ever pointed to a chart apriori and said: "This guy can be a serial killer" or "This girl can be a pornstar" or "This guy WILL click in gambling" or "This guy is very strong for sure". Asteroids help us do that.

Gene Simmons has LUST conjunct South Node in 5th House. None of his planetary aspects can predict that he will bed more than a 1000 women.

India's greatest corporate fraudster siphoned off billions, successfully for years. Indian Astrologers make the same boast as western planetary ones, that only their system is the best. None of these dolts predicted that Mr. Ramalinga Raju had it in him to swindle on a mega scale.
A quick look at his Asteroids shows SWINDLE exactly opposite MIDAS. Exact.

World Class beauties who achieve something in public domain, NONE of the planetary astrologers can predict their success. But the Asteroid Astrologer can give a good attempt. Given a list of charts of ladies, the highest probabilty of success is for ladies who have Sun or Venus exactly conjunct a goddess Asteroid.

Oxana Fedorova has Sun conjunct JUNO.
Naomi Campbell has Sun conjunct APHRODITE.
Miranda Kerr has Sun conj ISIS.
Award winner Salma Hayek has Sun conj VESTA.
Acclaimed actress Jennifer Connely has Sun conj APHRODITE.

The tighter the aspect, the higher the probability of achievement.

And now, for the dark side. Planetary Astrologers are smug and happy in their comfort zones, their heads nicely hidden in the sand when uncomfortble cases of mind-control, trauma based programming, MK-Ultra and child abuse crop up. "Must be afflicted Neptune or Uranus or Pluto..." And back to the head in the sand, conveniently forgtting that 2 billion people can have a afflicted Neptune or Pluto or Uranus.

Only Asteroids reveal the truth.

I have now 5 documented cases of abused/programmed individuals where Sun conj KAALI in a water sign is the chief indicator.

I have more than 7 cases of attemted rape and genuine abuse in ladies where Asteroid NESUSS made exact engative aspects to Asteroid DEJANIRA or Venus. No abuse case without this aspect.

I am seeing clear Asteroid patterns in Global Disasters. Hardly a tragic earthquake occurs where Asteroid POSEIDON or KARMA are not involved. Asteroid VULCANO, VESUVIUS, and CALDEIRA, these will help predict Volcanoes if we get more data.

And then there is the noble purpose of finding soulmates. Only Asteroids can give the best evidence. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of cases. Planetary Synastry does not explain even 30% of the reasons for love at first sight. Sun conj APHRODITE will reveal this 9/10 times, maybe even 99/100.

Anyway, nobody needs to prove Asteroids or their functioning. Skeptical Filters are part of the Divine Plan. Those who read what I wrote, many who have already made up their mind to not apply Asteroids would continue to disagree. The ones who are destined for Higher Dimensional knolwedge, they will check their charts for specific Asteroids, and instantly get the enlightenment and clarity of why they feel the way they feel towards a certain area in life. Like the Knowflake Zapata who cried when I pointed out to her that she may easily see dead people, because her ANUBIS exactly conjunct her Descendant. It was a long suppressed secret.

P.S: Only Asteroids substantiate Past Life Regressions, like Ancient Egyptian Lifelines which are purely a 5th Dimensional matter.

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posted February 20, 2010 04:38 AM            

I know that I am always going to have skeptics in my life when it comes to astrology or astrologers skeptical of certain astrological methods

I even have an almost exact t-square of Moon square the opposition of retrograde Astrowizard and Skepticus.

I have a close trine of Astronomia trine Midheaven.

I also don't think that it's a coincidence that I have Dioretsa (Asteroid backwards) conjunct the Aries Point less than 1 degree.

I believe in asteroid nodes too. all objects have nodes. That's the astronomical reality. All object nodes can be valid to use in Astrology.

I have Stargazer sextile Ascendant, but I also have the heliocentric Stargazer Nodes oppose my Ascendant/Descendant axis.

Heliocentric South Stargazer Node conjunct Ascendant might indicate that I have been an astrologer/astronomer in a pastlife. Sumeria and Stargazer which are trine each other sextile the Ascendant which could indicate that I was a possibly an astrologer/astronomer in Sumer.

I happen to have a conjunction of DNA-Mesopotamia oppose/conjunct the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. My mitochondria DNA (matrilineal line) testing shows that I belong to J Haplogroup, and that my subclade is J1c subclade strongly suggesting that I have Jew ancestry in me, and so I have Mesopotamian and possibly Sumerian roots. My 4th house ruler,Jupiter oppose Babylon.

with haplogroup J originating in the Middle East around 40,000 years ago, it's a fact that I have Middle Eastern roots. J1 originated in the Arabian plate around 20,000 years ago,and so it's a fact that I have Arabian roots.

I have an Africa-Africano-Chiron-Eris (all retrograde conjunction in Aries in 8th sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini..Sabian Symbol is the Black Girl Fights For Independence from Mistress which reflects not only my black ancestry on my father's side but also advocacy,dealing with equality issues.

I have Moon conjunct White within half a degree, and that fits right in with my having a white mother.

another interesting thing is that I have Davida conjunct Lawrence in close conjunction in my 4th house,and they semisquare my almost exact Sun-Scotti conjunction. David was my stepfather's name, and Lawrence was my biological father's name. Scott was my biological father's last name. I have Larry conjunct my Midheaven and square my Ascendant. I have Cynthia (my mother's name) conjunct my Imum Coeli.

Raymond

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 20, 2010 10:51 AM            

I was curious and looked at where my Valentine is and it is conj my venus in pisces in the 10th house square to my jupiter/neptune conj in sag. Both my boyfriend and the baby have Valentine con Sun.....I have no idea what that means really.

posted February 20, 2010 12:26 PM            

I am beginning to believe these myriad of asteroid aspects people are claiming to have with someone do not really mean anything unless they aspect very personal and unique factors like ascendant, Venus, moon, sun, North Node, chart ruling planet, descendant ruling planet, 7th or 5th house and cusp, etc...

posted February 20, 2010 12:44 PM              

If her Midheaven wasn't in Libra,
I'd think you might be onto something.

posted February 20, 2010 12:48 PM            

I don't really use asteroids in synastry. I look at main stuff first. I just look at asteroids to fine tune stuff..even the nodes of them.

IQ is THE asteroid astrologer. I am looking forward to a future book on asteroids coming from him. I will buy it!

I admit since my interest in the big transneptunian objects, my interest in asteroids have dwindled. I use to be 4 times as passionate when it came to asteroids.

I still like using them in solar return and lunar return.

one of the strangest things

I had a Moon quincunx Saturn-Teresa conjunction in one lunar return, and my 3rd cousin named Teresa died during that lunar return.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 20, 2010 01:02 PM              

Gene Simmons was a rock star.

A rock star with:

Mars ruling the Ascendant
and tightly opposing Jupiter,
and with Pluto in the 5th;
Mars and Pluto share rulership
of Scorpio on the 8th

It seems that if you practice some depth in reading the basics, there's no need to resort to a multitude of more "specific" bodies in order to flesh out the picture.

IQ,
Thanks for taking the time
to thoroughly defend your beliefs.
I remain an asteroid skeptic.

I don't think 80% of 40 charts
is a solid statistical basis.

posted February 20, 2010 02:07 PM            

Another instance...I ran into my guy's ex-wife at the gas station while pumping gas. I was pumping gas, and she pulled up, and ran into the store to buy cokes. I don't know this woman, have never met her. But I know what she looks like, and recognized her when she got out of her car. When I pulled up my chart for that day, and added her name asteroid, it was transiting exactly conjunct my North Node. She had "crossed my path". This was the first time we had ever been close enough to connect, and glance at each other.

What are the odds?

In the synastry with my guy, his first name in my chart, connects to his last name in his chart, to where it reads his full name when the charts overlay. It does the same in the chart overlay with my daughter's chart and his chart. His last name conjuncts the Destinn asteroid in both mine and my daughter's chart.

What are the odds?

posted February 20, 2010 02:42 PM            

although... I have aphrodite conjunctions with someone in synastry and it WAS love at first sight, for me it def was.

posted February 20, 2010 04:20 PM            

I got it.

Thank you for expressing every point so clear and strong. You didn't miss one element in terms of skill, philosophy, how energy and spirituality plays into it as well as faith. What you explained about the filter levels is ABSOLUTELY key. I admit, I haven't resonated with the Sabian Symbols at all and it has more to do with how much I trust Evangeline Adams and her assistant to channel for me. I'm grateful to her for her role in helping Astrology to be legal in New York City, but...well, it's just the resonance thing.

Your explaination made me think of technology in the last century. In 1900 we were still riding in horses and buggies. By the year 2000 we had been to the Moon and already and shuttled through space uncountable times. But we had to learn to ride a horse first, then drive, then fly, then fly with jet engines, fighter jets, etc.

Not that there's anything wrong with skeptics, they're necessary. But for the millions of people driving their economy cars to say that the Space Station doesn't exist because they've never flown a plane on their own, sounds kind of silly. I hope I said that right.

Last but not least, I think I might have been your evil assistant in blowing up Atlantis back in the day. My Sun strongly aspects your Nodal Axis.

I copied and pasted your post.