posted February 23, 2010 11:54 AM            

Anyway, I am still hoping Valus gives me a nice 1/7200000000 probability proof as to why she thinks Standard Astrology alone is true.

posted February 23, 2010 12:17 PM              

AG

i can only talk from experience..yes i did had those bad feelings...and yes it happened...ever since i started getting into touch with LOA,it was from those moments on,that i could be aware of what i was doint with my life,and how it was obvious to me that im the only one responsible for my Life.there are no outside people who is culpable of anything that happens to me,so this is also at the same time a bit frighten but also empowering feeling and discovery.

i cannot explain here the synchros that started happening since i first started this.it was on march last year.

SInce then i managed the way to be a better person now than who i was before.i started seeing Life from another whole perspective.it works for me in wonderful ways and imagine that im a Virgo sun with all the virgoan issues...that we know arent a tiny bit easy...

im working torwards my soul´s chart.and not the tropical one,sort to say.in my Helio i have a pisces stellium and i do feel happier about it,whenever i experience Life through the piscean traits.

i believe that we are all here not to life through the tropical( current encarnation),but to work that out and start directing ourselves more in the Helio(CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS) for example.

im trying to go onto the topic of astrology again =) that is why im referring the type of charts.

posted February 23, 2010 01:12 PM            

We should have another discussion on this on the apt forum.

posted February 23, 2010 01:39 PM            

"It's just interesting to me, as I said with those women I posted about earlier. They do not have any Goddess asteroid on their Sun, but as you can see are quite well known and stunning"

someone who has studied and values philosophy and science has used one of the most useless arguments against something i have seen in a long time!

1) tho they may be successful and many may think them gorgeous, these women are UNATTRACTIVE to me! why WOULD they have any goddesses in important spots? they are pandering to the expectations of the "norm" for movies. not very goddesslike!!

2) raspberri herself says she wants to be an actor, and her chart shows actor conj sun in the 10th - the house that shows WHAT YOU ASPIRE TO BE SEEN AS!

3) i don't know how important they are but they have confirmed and deepened astrological readings i have done since i first got involved in them.

4) i have to agree that anyone who takes a philosophical/skeptical stance on the questions of astrology, then flat out states that GOD is beyond skepticism, well, they have negated their own argument just in terms of form.

posted February 23, 2010 01:40 PM              

im glad we are in agreement at that hihihih-yup i know what you suffer with Virgos,,i suffered with myself many times too.

but believe me,if it is hard for you,it is even harder for Virgos.

IQ

totally!the secret was only a way that i found to discover the real thing...i love eckart tolle for example.and the game of life by florence scovell.they made perfect sense for me.

posted February 23, 2010 01:43 PM            

And.... Sean Bean plays the main Olympian Character of Zeus. Transit Asteroid ZEUS conjuncts Sean Bean's Natal ACTOR exact on the release date of Feb 12, 2010.

I would seriously appreciate it if any astrologer who did not consider Asteroids, still thinks of them as not being worthy of consideration after seeing the above points and the Mira Sorvino Aphrodite-Fortuna discovery.

posted February 23, 2010 02:15 PM            

Mira Sorvino had the movie title conjunct Fortuna, and you said that was a sign.

Now you're saying that Pierce Brosnan has his part/role conjunct transitting NN at the release date as the justification for believing asteroids. Shouldn't his Fortuna be involved possibly?

Then Sean Bean has his role transitting his Actor asteroid.

Three different justifications for similar results, and they're not even remotely similar. Aphrodite/Fortuna, Chiron/NN, Zeus/Actor. Different combinations altogether. No thread of consistency except that the role makes a transit or is transitted by something (or in Sorvino's case it was all just natal, right?).

Individually, they all seem remarkable, but they are evidence of applying a justification that may not actually be in play. In both Pierce Brosnan and Sean Bean's case, it would be more instructive to learn what was transitting their natal role planets/asteroids at the time of their casting, wouldn't it? I mean, if these guys were into astrology, and asking an astrologer whether they'd get a part, the astrologer would be looking at the casting date. The release date of the film wouldn't even be available to be a factor at that moment.

posted February 23, 2010 02:55 PM            

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I still can't fathom why you thought that whole issue of God and skepticism was worth trying to argue about in the first place.

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Because I find some of her posts snotty (I'd prefer not to rehash them all but I trust your intelligence and psychological know-how to pick up on the types of things I'm referring to when I say "snotty").. and I don't like the attitude of "blowing ones horn" - The tone of her posts sounded as though she often was (I'm not alone in interpreting her posts this way - but it could well be an RL to Online problem.. where things are not coming across the way they are intended).

posted February 23, 2010 03:24 PM            

Don't try to belittle my argument just because I have an interest in beauty.

posted February 23, 2010 10:30 PM            

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Diana, that's a hilarious coincidence. You have Venus-Uranus and Mars-Neptune aspects. My God, men must worship you! I wish I had one of those. I'd even take it with a 6 degree orb. LOOOOL!! Even a weak sextile would do.

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It really is!

I have venus sextile uranus 3 degrees and mars conjunct neptune 1 degree. Mars and neptune are also conjunct jupiter. They're all sextile pluto.

posted February 24, 2010 03:54 AM            

Mira's case is of APHRODITE-FORTUNA designed to work for an actress in a movie with APHRODITE in the title.

Pierce Brosnan's case is the FIRST time Chiron is being projected in Hollywood. Brosnan was James Bond, was Remington Steele, was Thomas Crown.
Suddenly, he is playing the wisest role of his life. His Natal Chart has Pluto quincunx Chiron exact, transformation by adjustment to healing wounds or by propogating occult wisdom. What transit shows a person is attaining Self-Actualization? North Node.
And this North Node is exactly conjunct his Natal Chiron just when the whole world sees him portray Chiron. If this is not a Divine Astrologically timed design for Pierce Brosnan, what is? BTW, FORTUNA had a part too as did TYCHE and MENTOR in Brosnan's transits, I did not mention them because they were driver transits, not conjnctions. Plus their orbs were more than 1 degrees.
Unlike Standard Astrolgy who may even use 5 degree orbs for justification, Asteroid Astrology cannot have that indiscipline, as the themes are subtle.

Coming to Sean Bean, he already has a precise TYCHE conjunct FORTUNA in his natal chart. He is already a blessed child of destiny, successful in nearly every kind of role from theatre to offbeat films to A-List Hollwyood. He has played negative roles, anti-hero and even sacrificng hero. A versatile ACTOR par excellence, is it not fitting that the day the world sees him play ZEUS, the Name Frequency of Zeus through the Asteroid blesses his Asteroid ACTOR EXACTLY in transit ?

Does the precision not excite you?

And... I am not seeing such exact evidence from pure planetary astrology.

No one has come forward to give me planetary evidence where say an exact Mercury conjunct Pluto has helped an investigator crack a baffling case. Nor an exact Sun conjunct Uranus transit for an individual to begin a remarkable revolution.
I am providing rare and clear examples.
I am not getting similar planetary examples from those who consider Asteroids as invalid.

posted February 24, 2010 06:00 AM            

In the most devastating modern Earthquake of TANGSHAN, Asteroid TANGSHAN was exctly conjunct the Ascendant when the deadly tremor began.

Very recently I posted how Asteroid MrSPOCK made exact aspects in the Star Trek First Contact date of 5th April 2063.

I have now seen that every investment makes a profit, however small, when Asteroid TYCHE sextiles, trines or conjuncts Natal Mercury when the investment was made on a date where Mercury sextile, trine or conjunct Natal Mercury or Natal TYCHE.

Another observation is that everytime a planet conjuncts Asteroid KARMA, and an event occurs, then a corresponding important event occurs precisely when KARMA conjuncts that same planet.

In the exact moment when Tenzing and Sir Edmund Hillary "conquered" Mount Everest, we see that Asteroid NIKE sits on the Descendant!
Not to forget the Ascendant making a perfect YOD to Asteroid KARMA and to the North Node.
Interestingly, there was a Jupiter trine North Node aspect that day as well. And guess which Asteroid made exact aspects to both Jupiter and North Node and to KARMA? Asteroid TENZING
And on 8th May 1978, the most difficult climb was attempted, without oxygen cylinders, by Reinhold Messner. The Asteroid Frequency Effect is in full play on this 8 numbered fated date: TENZING being exactly conjunct KARMA!!! What are the odds?

And if you think the above was amazing.... we are privileged to see more. Reinhold never gives up the full climb without oxygen. On 20th of August 1980, after going solo for 3 days without oxygen cylinders, he reaches the summit. One can only say Lady Luck was with him, and maybe the frequency/prayers of the first conqueror.
In the chart, we see Asteroid TENZING conjunct Asteroid FORTUNA exact.
And this day, Reinhold stamps his Name Frequency. Asteroid REINHOLD conjunct KARMA by 1 degree on this day.

I would like honest feedback from Asteroid skeptics about these observations. None of the standard planetary configurations work to explain these events. I have given more than a dozen clear and precise examples. It would also be very nice to know what those who have been using Asteroids think of Asteroid Skeptics who dismiss the above examples. What could their mental makeup be like? Could it be a precise working of Asteroid SKEPTICUS?

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posted February 24, 2010 12:09 PM            

God! God! God!

I already said why I believe astrology and God go together like pb and j. (And b and j. ) But I've never been afraid of being redundant before, so why start now?

It starts with taking astrology seriously, saying - it's real. By real, I mean my mind isn't just imagining the direct connection between ourselves and the solar system. Now I want to know how it could be. How could the solar system be a symbolic language for our consciousness?

I'm curious about other people's answers. Mine's a little trippy, I guess.

If astrology isn't symbolic, but is instead causal (the solar system makes me this way), then all that needs to exist to explain astrology is the physical world.

We have knowledge of the physical world, science. Science tell us that the placement of Neptune in outer space can't cause me to be "Neptunian".

Plus, we're being built before our moment of birth. My natal chart tells me who I am, but that chart happens after my DNA has been building me for 9 months. A cause & effect relationship would require time-travel, since I'm becoming myself before the solar system snapshot of myself (houses included) even exists!

So if it's not a physical connection but a symbolic one, then a mental/spiritual world also needs to exist. We (solar system and our consciousness) must be written from the same mental realm. The physical world we live in is a tangible manifestation of that idea.

posted February 24, 2010 12:10 PM            

When we feel the LOA working, that's just us being in tune with our spiritual reality. We're not really directing anything with our thoughts. Instead, our material-world thoughts are working in unison with our spiritual-world self.

posted February 24, 2010 01:02 PM            

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I think NAMES matter less when it comes to the planets though. They are bodies that have already been proven to impact life on earth right?

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I think you're saying that with planets, the name followed the experience? As in - over a long period of time, this planet often correlated with issues of love and beauty, so then it was named Venus to show its influence.

First off, we don't know if that's the case. Maybe someone got a hunch that's what Venus does, and then research proved that hunch to be true.

Inspiration always strikes in an instant. Research afterwards then verifies what was intuited in only a flash.

This reminds me of a Henry Miller quote. (One of my favorite Caps )

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Things take place instantaneously, but there's a long process to be gone through first. What you get when something happens is only the explosion, and the second before that the spark. But everything happens according to law - and with the full consent and collaboration of the whole cosmos.

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Vapor mentioned how Pluto was named. I looked into how it and all the outers were named.

How Pluto was named:

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...The Lowell Observatory, who had the right to name the new object, received over 1000 suggestions from all over the world, ranging from "Atlas" to "Zymal".[21] Tombaugh urged Slipher to suggest a name for the new object quickly before someone else did.[21] Constance Lowell proposed Zeus, then Lowell, and finally her own first name. These suggestions were disregarded.[22]

The name "Pluto" was proposed by Venetia Burney (later Venetia Phair), an eleven-year-old schoolgirl in Oxford, England.[23] Venetia was interested in classical mythology as well as astronomy, and considered the name, one of the alternate names of Hades, the Greek god of the Underworld, appropriate for such a presumably dark and cold world.

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So we know that Venetia picked it because she considered the planet's physical situation to match a mythological figure. That opinion of hers was subjective and seemingly arbitrary. She could've focused on a different aspect of Pluto and found a mythological figure that matched that.

She didn't pick Pluto because after long research she concluded it correlated with our own power, ferocity, and transformations. Yet to astrologers, it does! She got all that, simply because it seemed to her like a cold, dark world?

Other names were proposed and then rejected. They weren't rejected because they were astrologically wrong. We could say it's a coincidence that they were rejected until an astrologically appropriate name came along, or we could suspect that these names aren't accidents.

How Neptune was named:

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When Neptune was discovered in 1846, astronomers named the planet after the Roman god of the deep sea. Not only did they do this to keep the tradition of naming planets after mythological figures, but also because of its position in 'deep' space. This turned out to be the perfect name for Neptune when we saw its deep blue color in photographs!

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Neptune gets that name because of its position in "deep" space. Sounds like a tenuous connection to me, like they're reaching.

Then after being named, pictures show that Neptune is even more appropriate than first thought because of its color.

I find all this amazing, the way our astrological experience with these planets justify their names.

How Uranus was named:

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Herschel decided to name the object Georgium Sidus (George's Star), or the "Georgian Planet" in honour of his new patron, King George III...Herschel's proposed name was not popular outside of Britain, and alternatives were soon proposed. Astronomer Jérôme Lalande proposed the planet be named Herschel in honour of its discoverer.[34] Bode, however, opted for Uranus, the Latinized version of the Greek god of the sky, Ouranos. Bode argued that just as Saturn was the father of Jupiter, the new planet should be named after the father of Saturn

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Again, "wrong" names discarded. Uranus is chosen because of how it fit within a system (Jupiter : Saturn, as Saturn : Uranus).

posted February 24, 2010 01:23 PM            

Plutinos(objects that orbit like Pluto which is 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune) are named after Underworld characters...not necessarily deities. Dwarf planet candidate Ixion was named after a wicked,horny Lapith King and grandfather of the centaurs,punished by Zeus because of his lust for Hera.

Cubewanos (classical kuiper belt objects that orbit like QB1,the second kuiper belt object discovered) are named after creation mythology characters..not necessarily deities. Deucalion was named after the Greek version of Noah.

The original name proposed for Eris was rejected. It wasn't a Greek nor Roman name.
Also, Dr. Michael Brown thought Persephone or Proserpina would be a good name for it because it orbits half of its time far from Pluto and half of its time near Pluto.

Raymond

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posted February 24, 2010 01:31 PM            

Fascinating!

The rules for naming fits with astrology being a symbolic language. The type of body gets a specific type of name, since its physical self manifests its meaning.

posted February 24, 2010 01:39 PM            

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Last but not least, I think I might have been your evil assistant in blowing up Atlantis back in the day. My Sun strongly aspects your Nodal Axis.

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Ooh, me too! My Pluto (chart ruler) is exactly cnj iQ's NN.

posted February 24, 2010 01:44 PM            

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In fact, if a person's only Aphrodite contact were associated with a planet not as associated with our being as the Sun, Moon, or Venus, we'd probably start justifying that person's beauty as a trademark of whatever planet their aphrodite aspected ("You've got real Saturnian beauty").

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posted February 24, 2010 02:09 PM            

You asked about my name asteroid. Mine's not in my 1st. I have it in the 3rd in Cap cnj Venus. It's trine Mars-Jupiter in Virgo and Chiron in Taurus.

You'd think with all that earth I'd be more skeptical about asteroids.

I use asteroids because I want to understand. Myself, You, what's happening (transits). It's a tool that gives me a more complete picture.

I've seen enough with asteroids to know they're not nonsense.

The chance of me having that pattern with men's names I mentioned is 1 in 13 million!

I can't even calculate the odds of me and my SO having those aspects with Spain - not just that we have them individually, but that we have the same patterns (both aspecting 8th house ruler, both our Karma's on the other's Spain/Vertex mp).