posted February 22, 2010 11:10 PM            

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This is a incorrect statement as far as I can see. Number one doesn't qualify that skepticism MUST be levied on everything at all times. Therefore, she doesn't require skepticism in thinking of God

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That is true based on the way I phrased it there.

However, rasberri originally said: "Living without scepticism is no way to live at all".

That is saying that life without scepticism is NOT the way to go - in rasberri's opinion.

I made the assumption that if rasberri practices what she preaches this would entail:

"My (rasberri's) life in the absence of scepticism is no way to live at all".

However in the next sentence.. which she typed DURING the course of her life - during her existence.. She says:

"The only true knowledge available is our connection with God, not astrology or anything else."

Which is a judgment completely lacked of any skepticism and leaving no doors open.

So at the point in her life when she typed this she was not heeding her own advice, as far as I could tell. She was advising people to be more skeptical of astrology (as life requires skepticism – and living in the absence of skepticism is simply no way to live) whilst posting a sentence which was very *lacked* in skepticism concerning her own spiritual/religious beliefs.

Later she mentioned that she actually DID have skepticism regarding her own beliefs.. but this was not at all apparent in her initial statement.. which was my point.

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I'm sure that if you believe God is the source of knowledge, then you'd have to also believe that everyone is connected with God.

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Yes but that is an "If A - Then B" statement.. That is to say: "IF - you believe that God is the source of knowledge THEN.. etc"

In her initial statement there were no "Ifs".. She simply stated that this *is* the case.

"The only true knowledge available is our connection with God, not astrology or anything else."

Which is an inflexible (dogmatic) statement. It doesn't have the flexibility to leave room for her scepticism.

posted February 23, 2010 04:08 AM            

do you have an idea where SKEPTICUS or ERIS were and what aspects they made when this thread was started?

posted February 23, 2010 04:25 AM            

In terms of the Matrix belief system, we are all a Hologram living in a hologram. And a Matrix believer will not accept any evidence of any physical reality. Heck we dont even though what electrons are, waves or particles or some freakin mathematical cloud function.

So why am I bothering to give excellent evidence [in my opinion] about Asteroids?

P.S: 5/6 beautiful ladies posted here have strong goddess aspects to Sun, I recall researching them in 2006, but not Aphrodite. Some MAY have Aphrodite conjunct Ascendant, we dont have exact birthtime.
Just because someone does not have Aphrodite conjunction need not make one unattractive. Where did that conclusion come from ???

posted February 23, 2010 04:34 AM            

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do you have an idea where SKEPTICUS or ERIS were and what aspects they made when this thread was started?

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lol good one

oh AG I missed this: "I think maybe it was a Sun square Sun thing."

Did you mean my Sun square rasberri's Sun?

Because there are many Cancers on here - Belgz, Caramia, GrlyGrl.. off the top of my head - all of whom I really like and understand perfectly lol

posted February 23, 2010 06:22 AM            

1. Cheryl Cole:
KLEOPTRA conjunct Pluto+Saturn
APHRODITE conjunct INNANEN exact

2. Adriana Lima:
Pluto conjunct JUNO
Mars conjunct HELENA
Sun weak conjunct KLEOPATRA
APHRODITE exact trine KAALI [Does she not easily drain the energy of millions of oglers ?]

3. Giselle Bundchen
Sun conj ISIS exact
Mars weak conj APHRODITE
Pluto conjunct Asteroid LILITH

4. Aishwarya Rai
Pluto conj ISIS
Venus conj JUNO
APHRODITE sextile Pluto and ISIS

5. Gina Lolobridga
APHRODITE conjunct Venus exact, trine KLEOPTRA
Kaali conj Lilith exact

6. Sophia Loren
Sun trine INNANEN exact
APHRODITE conj HELENA

7. Ingrid Bergman
APHRODITE exact conj Mars
ISIS-HELENA-Neptune stellium
Sun conj Venus [Yay! A planetary aspect! Hurray! Asteroids are bunk!!! ]

8. Nicole Kidman
Sun conj KLEOPATRA exact

9. Liz Taylor
APHRODITE conj Pluto

10. Scarlet Johansson
JUNO-INNANEN-VESTA conjunct
HELENA conjunct KAALI exact

In this new check, I see a broader pattern of beautiful goddess aspect conj Pluto, Mars, Sun getting greater visibility of their beauty in public domain.

posted February 23, 2010 06:31 AM              

but im glad i shared my opinions - they make perfect sense to me.

and IQ thank God you+´re here i knew you were understand what i was saying hihihih

posted February 23, 2010 06:39 AM              

i have Aprhodite 26gem cj Inannem 27gem cj Isis 28GEM in my 9th.

All sextile venus,trine nept/pluto and wide trine kaali.

Kleopatra 4 Scor pis cj Kaali 5scorp in my 2nd!

both sextile my sun and opose Juno.

Helena is 21Libra trine NN/LILITH/VESTA tight and weidely the aphdorite/isis/Inannem!!

i guess that is why i draw so many guy´s and women´s attention hihihi

there´s a thing im thinking now:do these beauty asteroids also influences us to love the arts and fashion?cause as you know,my recent discovery has to do with that:the fashion adviser course...do you think that these above can help me get a boost in this dream i have?

i note something whenever im out eople look at me very directly but they look like thery are admiring my sense of fashion,not particularly if i am beautiful or not.

posted February 23, 2010 06:43 AM              

It's always the beauty asteroid aspects but there as to be atleast one or two "ugly" markers in there right..?

Unless beauty really is in the eye of the beholder..

For example Kate Winslet is beautiful to me but I have come across some people who consider her too fat to ever be desirable..

posted February 23, 2010 06:58 AM            

Here is one more fact. I would love to see this being mathematically disproved.

1. How many movies have the name APHRODITE in them?
Ans: Less than 1 in 10000.

2. How many goddess Asteroids have we found for good luck?
Ans: 2, FORTUNA and TYCHE

3. How many actresses have won an Oscar for a movie that has the name APHRODITE in it?
Ans: 1, Mira Sorvino for the 1995 movie "Mighty Aphrodite".

4. How many movies has Mira starred in?
Ans: More than 40.

5. What are the chances of Asteroid APHRODITE conjuncting a luck asteroid with 1 degree orb?
Ans: 2/360 or 1/180

6. What are the chances that a person with APHRODITE conjunct FORTUNA in her natal chart manages to become an actress out of millions of pretty American ladies and then wins an Oscar in the only movie out of 40 in her life, and a one in 10,000 movie in general that has the name APHRODITE in it?
Ans: A number that would be so large that Asteroid Skeptics MIGHT say that number does not exist because it does not fit in their pocket calculator's LCD Display

posted February 23, 2010 07:01 AM              

well it is not rude i guess.

i just donw know what asteroids concern uglyness. but yes beauty is in the eyes of the beholder really.

for example i consider myself much more attractive now than when i was 14 or 15yr old.i thought i was ugly and also people around me felt that insecurity in me,probably seeing me as ugly too.

years later i learned to love myself the way i was,and i started to appear more pretty,like if i had more light within.the certain sparkle in the eyes,the aura etc...i know that for others to see your beauty you must see your beauty first.

i have no doubt that beauty is not the same for everyone and so is a bit subjective.

posted February 23, 2010 07:10 AM            

I understand your spiritual position - and that you often see ego-driven things as negative. I also get why you classify skepticism (directed at anything) as an ego-driven reaction/behavior.

rasberri - I also value your opinions.. but not the tone of your posts (which I find supercilious).

Moving on from the whole "skepticism" drama...

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Now think about it, One who believes in Astrology is going to relate astrology to EVERYTHING they experience.
And One who believes in God is going to color their lives with everything God represents.
I know you guy's are probably thinking 'well why are you here then"
Good Question. I'm not sure. I know lot's about astrology, but I'm skeptical of course

But I'm leaning more toward God now.

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The way I reconcile my belief in astrology with my belief in God.. is through a sense of merger (a strong sense that everything is a part of everything else). I don't feel as though one of these beliefs rules out the other.

We DO have free will - I completely agree. I've always believed that. I don't think astrology takes away from our free will unless one interprets it in a very narrow-traditional manner.

I can't really compare God and astrology because they seem like entirely different "things" to me... What I see as God is closest to Glaucus' definition (earlier) - I sense that "God" is there.. as a part of me and everything else.

Astrology is my way of interpreting this daily mundane existence/experience - the experience available to our physical senses. But the daily stuff is a reflection of the spiritual and astrology plays its part in that. So astrology and God do interact - There is a point of connection for them, in my mind.. although finding that point, and describing it, is a mysterious task.

posted February 23, 2010 07:28 AM              

Though my reflection is the same as your, I feel everyone is beautiful but can be ugly if they choose to, so I must put an emphasis on "could" in my first paragraph because nothing happens unless you want it to happen. A relationship can have all the beneficial energy of the solar system but it will not be a very good one unless you work at it.

Also like you have stated, to be beautiful you must feel beautiful though you always had the astrological energy, you had to put forth into the energy.<3

I hope to be able to to do that as well one day.
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So I guess in my theory of asteroids and their influence on me, I would say I have not mastered the retrograde energy of my outer planets to move on to other energies such as asteroids or even my Lillith energy for that matter.

I guess significant asteroids in my chart will have to wait.

posted February 23, 2010 08:07 AM              

i didnt knew you once were a spektic!OMG What a way that universe has to show the real thing...spooky! hihihihi

Vapor

thank you.,i appreciate your opinions too.you+re tolerant and intelligent.that says a lot of you

Chesch Kat

of course you will.the simple fact that you´re aware of the energies you need to work on,you´re already crossing the path onto the right vibracional level,to be able to feel inside of you the asteroid+s energy.

posted February 23, 2010 09:06 AM            

"i have Aprhodite 26gem cj Inannem 27gem cj Isis 28GEM in my 9th.

Kleopatra 4 Scor pis cj Kaali 5scorp in my 2nd!

Helena is 21Libra trine NN/LILITH/VESTA tight and weidely the aphdorite/isis/Inannem"

Those sound intriguing. How do you experience your "Goddess"aspects?

I have Kaali exact conjunct Inannen on 12 Gemini in 7th house exactly trine Aphrodite in Libra in 10th house (which is widely conjunct Pluto).

Kleopatra is widely conjunct my Sun (3 degrees) in 1st, which is exactly sextile Helena in Libra in 10th house.

Venus is conjunct Isis and Osiris by 2 degrees in 1st house in Capricorn.

I guess asteroid aspects need a strong anchor in a chart, though, like the mentioned aspects to major planets or angles and they would have to have a narrow orb.

posted February 23, 2010 10:25 AM            

"genius is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration

meaning he had an idea, and he worked hard for it to manifest into concrete form"

posted February 23, 2010 10:27 AM            

Vapor, despite getting along with some squaring Suns it is still completely possible for you to clash with one on the basis of squaring Suns. I still can't fathom why you thought that whole issue of God and skepticism was worth trying to argue about in the first place.

posted February 23, 2010 10:43 AM              

i really dont know how to answer you that.it sounded intriguing to me too due to the fact that im not really all that WOWYEE GORGEOUS hihihi

i only identify if i look at the godess asteroids as also conected with feminine energy,graciousness and delicate gestures.im all that,including the fact that i love evertything related to arts/beauty/empowering ways of feeling beautiful inside and outside.

for example the stellim of aprho/isis/inanem is (wide) cj my MC - and if i think about it,my dream of fashion advisor is really what i feel i should do.i have this urge to help others ( cancer MC) to discover their own beauty,not by using plastic surgeries or destrunstruction processes,but by helping them appear what they already are inside ( this also deals with emotional security and self-esteem issues).
so.even if the MC is a bit wide of the stellium i deffinately see the conection to it.

i dont know about kleopatra cj kaali.it opose s my juno too...sextile my Pallas.and Sun,trine my MC.

maybe the sabians ring a bell on those in particular.

you have amazing aspects too!

i sense that they will infact be very felt by you and others now,as you´re consciously changing your appearance,due to your recent intimate feelings.you´re now at a difernet vibracional level also,im sure of it.you know better than me of course

posted February 23, 2010 11:07 AM              

it is not snobbery or pseudo-intellectualism.not at all.

probably on reading my posts now i might sounded a bit harsh but that is because i got passionated defending my perspective.

it is not my objective to appear more than others or above...as you are saying...it is only natural that beliefs such different as yours mine or Rasp´+s clashes...we are afterall degladiating between two extremes: one is Faith and the other is skepticism.

simply as that: when i have faith,i am in a position of allowing all things that comes to me,witout judjing or wonder its mehcanisms of work or origin.
i simply open my arms and welcome it.

but if i am a skeptic,i will not welcome anyting in my life that doenst have a racional explanation.So i will not experience situations,events or new people that can help me open myself to new perspectives.im a science person and so i live according to the Mind and thought.feelings and intuiton are not welcomed neither truth or real to me as a matter of fact.

So...no one here in this thread will change the Minds ( in your and rasp and valus case)or the hearts( me or IQ or Vapor)

it is all a matter of beliefs.

the thing that matters above those are respect,tolerance and love.

posted February 23, 2010 11:16 AM            

Speaking of "pseudo-intellectualism",
What is snobbery?
Can snobbery exist?
Does everyone believe in snobbery?
Is there a probability calculation to prove that snobbery exists?
I am sooo skeptical of snobbery....

Serious questions:
Has anyone here deeply studied quantum physics? Can they explain to me what an Electron is? Is it a
a) Wave
b) Particle
c) Mathematical Function
d) Something else
And.. since the gap between a nucelus and the Electrons is ten thousand times the diameter of the nucleus, why do we feel mass? And what exactly makes for the mass of quarks or letpons or neutrinos?
And why are all the PhD level theories of very smart scientists, worth thousands of man-years since 1930, why do they not account for over 70% of the Universe's Mass?
Since all of science cannot account for 70% of Dark Matter, I can say science accepts 2/3 probability as viable truth.

So why should any kind of Astrology need proof when Official Science is a well orchestrated international scam?

Not just science, official archaeology is a much bigger scam. Just read the book "Forbidden Archaeology". All the well paid Leakeys and the Dawkins cannot explain why perfectly spherical copper balls were discovered in South Africa in a billion year old rock bed.
Nor is there any reasonable explanation for the Nazca Glyphs.

My point is: If one should be honestly skeptical, then EVERY PHENOMENA must be honestly questioned. No different rules for different phenomena. A decent probability formula to prevent Random Chance must be set.

And when we logically ponder, any person believing Standard Astrology to be true but is skeptical about Asteroids in Astrology, is sadly being dishonest with herself in setting the parameters to be non-skeptical of certain phenomena.

I will repeat this finding: The only person to win an Oscar for a movie with APHRODITE in the title has APHRODITE conjunct FORTUNA in her chart. What are the odds of this being random chance?

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posted February 23, 2010 11:19 AM            

Not only so, but not everyone with Aphrodite conjunct Fortuna got to play that role, did they? It seems like a minor point, but that would suggest that this result is not typical of someone with Aphrodite conjunct Fortuna.

posted February 23, 2010 11:28 AM            

The odds of this happening by random chance: 1/720000000.

Mathematically, is this wrong ?

About the general argument that others with APHRODITE conj FORTUNA who did not make it, its simple, how many such ladies made it to hollywood A-List? This increases the probability in Mira Sorvino's favour.

Bigger question. You make very nice arguments. What is your argument in favour of Astrology without Asteroids, when gravitationally we cannot feel anything other than the Moon? Do you have a 1/720000000 type argument that Standard Astrology is gospel truth and Asteroids are a fraud?

This will enlighten all of us. Please enlighten.

posted February 23, 2010 11:33 AM            

The snobbery is that somehow certain people aren't spiritually enlightened enough to come to the truth. Any side of any argument could claim that, which doesn't make it a strong argument. It just means that people are trying to find a way to exert superiority. It is, in essence, not a fair statement.

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My point is: If one should be honestly skeptical, then EVERY PHENOMENA must be honestly questioned.

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No, they shouldn't. That would be a waste of time. No one wants to know everything there is to know about everything. We want to know about what we're interested in. Hence people that are into thousands-of-years-old-astrology may be interested in, and perhaps skeptical of new developments like asteroids.

posted February 23, 2010 11:35 AM              

actually when you sai LOA is ******** and it is not real youre falling out or reality itself.

it is already scientifically prooved that the atoms move in accordance to what the observant is expecting. you can search on the internet

even the so.called specktics dont know how to explain that...they wont be able too...

LOA is not only real but it is a law by itself.

IQ talked about the quantum physics,there are many phd´s of that area that are now fully faithfull and in agreement with LOA.

posted February 23, 2010 11:42 AM            

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Bigger question. You make very nice arguments. What is your argument in favour of Astrology without Asteroids, when gravitationally we cannot feel anything other than the Moon? Do you have a 1/720000000 type argument that Standard Astrology is gospel truth and Asteroids are a fraud?

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posted February 23, 2010 11:43 AM              

that is a ....gulp ...nice probability

thank you for that.

AG

how do you know that other+s are or are not enlightened enought? the Truth is that you only can ( if you do) know YOURSELF and your own ENLIGHTMENT.

hy saying that,you re juding and by doing so,you´re infact being the one who shows snobbery...judgements are made our of fear.and fear is made out of Ego.

so,,,what is enlightnement to you?is it lack of Ego?or the contrary?would you say that you´re more enlightened than let++s say..me?Or DD or anyone here?

Even if you do think so,it is all your belief, and i can say that it is my belief that im no more enlightened than you,im more AWARE.

aware of what surrounds me.and who.

when you judge,it is you who is being judged,wnegever you judge other+s ,that person is a myrror of yourself´s faults.

think about it closely..makes sense,doesnt it?