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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 15, 2014 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do you mean this here?


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No, no, I mean the Grand Mutable Cross ASC/DSC/Uranus/Saturn (with Valentine) and the Grand Fixed Cross Vesta/Vx/NN/SN axis with Jupiter/Juno (I didn't even notice Juno there, it makes even more sense), to which I will align the MC/IC axis, because obviously MC/NN is the same direction here. It's a case in which orbs fall in second place for me , because of an emergent important pattern that cannot be ignored.

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posted April 15, 2014 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra rising? Well, I could pull it off...
Sagittarius Moon trine Jupiter? lol, NOPE
Sun in the 7th house? Naaah
Aries Mercury, Taurus Venus and my name in the 8th house - makes sense
Mars in the 9th, like in my natal - YES, but Cancer? hmm
conjunct MC
Super afflicted 4th house - hell yeah
The NN in the 4th - NOPE
My tightest planetary aspect - Sun square Uranus exact, hihi...EXACTLY

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posted April 15, 2014 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I saw that now, and edited my previous post. lol

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posted April 15, 2014 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do you mean this here?

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Yes, absolutely. Gorgeous!
Something to meditate on, like a mandala

Involving ALL possible angles. And the Fates.

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posted April 15, 2014 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now make this pattern move, I want a hypnosis gif

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posted April 15, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I saw that just now.

Some fated objects right there:
Vertex, Saturn, nodal axis, Lachesis, Moira

Angles involved, too, both actually: ASC-DESC, MC-IC

and then the asteorids that probably point to the specific nature of the connection:

Vesta, Valentine, Jupiter, Juno, whereas Jupiter and Juno are a soulmate pairing (and there was another one in this chart, Eros conjunct psyche, but no tied to this mandala)

oh and there is a yod of Venus/Aphrodite sextile Mars, and both quinkunx Moon.

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posted April 15, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Libra rising? Well, I could pull it off...
Sagittarius Moon trine Jupiter? lol, NOPE
Sun in the 7th house? Naaah
Aries Mercury, Taurus Venus and my name in the 8th house - makes sense
Mars in the 9th, like in my natal - YES, but Cancer? hmm
conjunct MC
Super afflicted 4th house - hell yeah
The NN in the 4th - NOPE
My tightest planetary aspect - Sun square Uranus exact, hihi...EXACTLY



It's you, isn't it?

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posted April 15, 2014 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun-Uranus? I'm afraid so I have a wide conjunction in my natal chart. Btw, my name asteroid is in the 8th AGAIN.

I also have Vesta-Priapus exact in the 9th which totally makes sense and NN conjunct Juno exact. I dunno what I could be devoted to here.

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posted April 15, 2014 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I would really appreciate your help with this one. It's my Saturn persona and Saturn is my dominant planet.

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posted April 16, 2014 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorpHnStorM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks
Moon / Moon seems pretty strong.
You seem to be his type in a "motherly" way. Do you resemble his mother?

Interesting. We do share a Sun sign, and we do have some things in common, but No. Opposite in many ways...


Here's more (Venus and some Mars):


Venus/Natal
Me/Him
IC conj. NNode and Jupiter (3)
NNode conj. Mars (3)
Moon conj. DC (3)
Moon opp Moon (1) (also in gt-synastry)
Uranus conj. MC-Saturn (2)
Venus conj. Eros (2)
AC conj. Union (1)
DC conj. Pholus (exact)
Vesta conj. NNode (1)
Psyche-Lilith-Pallas conj. SNode (exact-2)
Chiron conj. Node midpoint (exact)


Him/Me
Vertex conj. DC (2)
Moon conj. Pluto (exact)
Venus-Mars conj. Moon (1)
Venus-Mars conj. IC (exact)
Saturn conj. Neptune-Eros (exact-1)
Vesta conj. Moon (2)
Ceres conj. Mars (1), opp Sun (1)
Jupiter conj. Mars and Vertex (1)
Jupiter opp. Sun (2)
Amor opp. Moon (1), conj. IC (exact)

Venus/Venus
Me/Him
Sun conj.MC
Moon conj. Mars (1) and Vesta-Venus (3)
Venus conj. SNode (exact)
AC conj. Mercury (1)
Neptune conj. Vertex (1)
Pluto conj. Moon (3)
DC conj. Psyche and Pholus (2)
SNode conj Ceres (exact)
Alma conj. NNode (1)
Pholus conj. Angel (exact), opp. Moon (exact)
Eros conj. MC (1) opp. Valentine (exact)

Saturn/Venus
Him/Me
AC conj. DC (2.5)
MC conj. Saturn-Valentine (0-1)
Moon conj. Neptune and Spirit (1)
Sun conj. Vertex-Karma (2)
Mercury conj. Uranus (2)
Mars conj. NNode (2)
Jupiter-Amor conj. SNode (1)
Union conj. Moon (exact)
Pholus conj. DC (exact)
Alma conj. Juno (exact)
Valentine conj. IC-Union (1)
Pallas opp. Mercury (exact)

Me/Him
Vertex conj. Venus-Vesta (exact)
AVx conj. Amor
Pluto conj. Moon (2)
Alma conj. Union (exact)
Union conj. Alma (exact)
Saturn conj. Ceres (exact)
Ceres opp. Ceres (1)
Lilith conj. SNode (exact)
NNode conj. Lilith (1)
Karma conj. IC-Valentine (exact)
Juno conj. Karma (exact)

Venus/Uranus
Him/Me
MC conj. AC
AC-Neptune conj. Pluto (exact)
SNode conj. Venus (exact)
Moon-Mars-Venus conj. Moon (2-3)
NNode conj. Alma (1)
Ceres conj. SNode (exact)
Amor opp. Saturn (1)
DC conj Psyche-Pholus (1)
Eros opp Valentine (1)
Lilith conj. Mars-Spirit (exact)
Angel conj. Pholus (exact)

Me/Him
Vertex conj. AVx (1)
Mars conj. DC (2)
Saturn conj. Jupiter (exact)
AC-Karma conj. Ceres (exact)
Valentine conj. Valentine (1) and IC (exact)


Venus/AC
Him/Me
MC-Ceres conj. Saturn-Valentine (exact)
Venus conj. Venus (exact)
SNode conj. Mercury (1)
Mars conj. Chiron (3)
Moon-Jupiter opp. Mars-Spirit (2)
Moon opp. Sun
Eros conj. NNode
Juno-Pallas conj. Vesta-Union-IC

Me/Him
Vertex conj. NNode (exact)
Sun conj. AVx (2)
Sun squ. Nodes (conj. midpoint)
Pluto conj. Moon (1)
Karma conj. Union (exact)
Union conj. Pluto (exact)
Angel conj. AC-Sun-Uranus (exact)
Psyche conj. DC (1)

Some Mars:
Mars/Natal
Me/Him
Sun opp. Mars
Moon trine Moon (exact)
Vertex conj. SNode (2)
Sun opp. Mars
Valentine conj. Jupiter (exact)

Him/Me
AC conj. AC (2)
Vertex conj. Vertex (2)
Saturn conj. DC (exact)
Sun conj. Sun (3)
Lilith conj. Sun (exact)
Ceres conj. Mars (exact)
Cers opp. Sun (1)
Vertex conj. Mars (1)
SNode conj. Spirit
Mercury conj. Amor (1) opp. Pluto
Union conj. Valentine (1)
Pluto conj. Valentine (1)
Union squ. Vertex


Mars/Mars
Him/Me
NNode-Juno conj. AC (2)
Vertex conj. Sun (2)
Sun Opp. Sun (1)
Sun opp. Saturn (3)
Mars conj. Moon (4)
Ceres conj. Sun (exact)
Ceres conj. Saturn (2)
AVx conj. Mars (1)
Jupiter conj. SNode (exact)
Lilith opp. Saturn (1), conj. Ceres (2)

I'll be adding more bits and pieces as time allows.

I see you mentioned Amor personas. I haven't done that one yet, but I do have some for Valentine:
Valentine/Natal
Him/Me
AC conj. AC (1)
MC conj. MC (exact)
Vx conj. Vx (2)
IC conj. Moon (2)
Sun conj. Moon (4)
SNode-Lilith conj. Ceres (exact)
MC conj. Pallas-Lilith (exact)
Psyche conj. Mars (exact) opp Sun (1)
Unitas conj. Alma (1)
Alma-Uranus opp. Psyche (1)

Me/Him
Sun conj. Pluto (2)
Sun conj. Sun (5)
Moon trine Moon
Mercury conj. DC (exact)
Venus conj. Vertex-Valentine (2)
Union conj. Vertex-Valentine (exact)
Ceres conj. Mars (1)
Angel conj. Sun-Juno and Pluto (2)
Psyche conj. Pholus, opp Union (exact)
Alma conj. Alma-Amor (2)

Valentine/Valentine
Him/Me
AC conj. Moon
Moon conj. IC (1)
Sun conj. Venus (2) and Union (1)
Mercury-Venus-Pluto-Pallas conj. Sun (3)
Pluto-Pallas conj. Node midpoint (exact)
Uranus-Alma-Union conj. Alma (1)
Valentine conj. Valentine (2)

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posted April 16, 2014 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Hey, I would really appreciate your help with this one. It's my Saturn persona and Saturn is my dominant planet.



Huge 1st/7th house emphasis in this one. Juno on ASC, ruler in 7th house on Vertex. You should get married, Cappy, you'd make a good wife

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posted April 16, 2014 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, really? That's a pity cause I'm never going to be a wife. What a loss for the male half of humanity. But hey, I could always be a good girlfriend ^^

Does this 1st house indicate my Saturn is very noticeable for others?
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posted April 16, 2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Oh, really? That's a pity cause I'm never going to be a wife. What a loss for the male half of humanity. But hey, I could always be a good girlfriend ^^

Does this 1st house indicate my Saturn is very noticeable for others?


I guess so, yes, but your humor and friendly manner is obvious too.

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posted April 16, 2014 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Eight-pointed star, the symbol of Venus - Love the Lightbringer, final unification of the Androgyne in the physical plane, in tangible manifestation, related to the Lemniscate (and number 11, IMO).

Cosmic wedding manifested on Earth, a resurrection in itself, beginning of a new cycle (Christian symbolism of baptism: baptismal font, an octagon; eight pointed star - symbol of Christ Pantocrator), of the new mission of the couple, shown in number 9 - teaching the world, bringing the wedding into the world, bringing unity after achieving unity.

Of course, this achieved unity, this "wedding" could be an inner one. But, as connected to Venus symbolism, self-love leads to unity with the other, to finding the other.

Octagrams – eight pointed stars – show up in a variety of different cultures, and modern users of the symbol borrow liberally from these sources.
Babylonian:
In Babylonian symbolism, the goddess Ishtar is represented by an eight-pointed starburst, and she is associated with the planet of Venus. Today, some people equate the Greek Aphrodite, whom the Romans equated with their Venus, with Ishtar. Both goddesses represent lust and sexuality, although Ishtar also represents fertility and war.
Judeo-Christian:
The number eight frequently represents beginnings, resurrection, salvation and super-abundance. This has to do, in part, with the fact that the number seven is a number of completion. The eighth day, for example, is the first day of a new seven-day week, and a Jewish child enters into God's Covenant on the eighth day of life via circumcision.
Egyptian:
Old Kingdom Egyptians recognized a group of eight deities, four male and four female, with the female bearing feminine forms of the male names: Nu, Nanet, Amun, Amunet, Kuk, Kauket, Huh, and Hauhet. Each pair represents a primal force, water, air, darkness, and infinity, and together they create the world and the sun god Ra from the primordial waters. Together, these eight are known as the Ogdoad, and this context is borrowed by other cultures which may represent it with an octagram.
Gnostics:
The second century Gnostic Valentinius wrote about his own concept of the Ogdoad, which again is four male/female pairs of what they considered primordial principles. First, Abyss and Silence brought forth Mind and Truth, which then produced Word and Life, which finally produced Man and Church. Today, various pursuers of esoterica have drawn upon various concepts of the Ogdoad.
Star of Lakshmi:
In Hinduism, Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, has eight emanations known as Ashtalakshmi, which are represented by two entwined squares forming an octagram. These emanations represent eight forms of wealth: monetary, ability to transport, endless prosperity, victory, patience, health and nourishment, knowledge, and family.
Overlapping Squares:
Octagrams formed from overlapping squares often emphasize duality: yin and yang, male and female, spiritual and material. Squares are often connected with the physical world: four elements, four cardinal directions, etc. Together, the they can mean both positive and negative aspects of the four elements, for example, and balancing them.
Judeo-Christian Esoterica:
Esoteric thinkers working with Hebrew and the names of God might place the Hebrew letters for YHWH and ADNI (Yahweh and Adonai) within the points of an Octagram.
Chaos Star:
A chaos star is eight points radiating from a central point. While originating in fiction – specifically the writings of Michael Moorcock – it has now been adopted into a variety of additional contexts, including religious and magical ones. Most notably, it has been adopted by some as a symbol of chaos magic.

Buddhism
Buddhists use an eight-spoked wheel to represent the Eightfold Path taught by the Buddha as a means to escape suffering through the breaking of attachments. These paths are right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration.

The Wheel of the Year
The Wiccan Wheel of the Year is commonly represented as a circle containing eight spokes or an eight-pointed star. Each point is a major holiday known as a Sabbat. Wiccans emphasize the system of holidays as a whole: each holiday is influenced by what has come before and prepares for the one approaching next.


II. The Symbolism of Number Eight

In his Dictionary of Symbols Cirlot writes that the octonary is a stage between a square and a circle, i.e. between the earthly plane symbolized by the square and the eternal order symbolized by the circle. This makes number eight symbolic of regeneration because regeneration can only happen through the vitalizing power of symbols and archetypes. Interestingly, in the Middle Ages number eight symbolized the waters of baptism. Eight is also the lemniscate, the infinity symbol. Perhaps surprisingly, it is also associated with the caduceus, a wand with two serpents twined around it. It is a symbol of balanced duality, “emphasizing the supreme state of strength and self-control (and consequently health) which can be achieved both on the lower plane of the instincts (symbolized by the serpents) and on the higher level of the spirit (symbolized by the wings).” (Cirlot)

Image

Caduceus

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Lemniscate

In Kabbalah eight is linked to Hod, the eighth Sefira. Its keywords are splendor, thoughts, communication and absolute intelligence. It was striking to me to find out that the magical image associated with this sefira is Hermaphrodite, the child of Hermes and Aphrodite, the god of communication and the goddess of beauty. Also, it is a powerful alchemical symbol of the integration of opposites. I have recently been contacted by a reader of this blog, who kindly pointed out to me that we should distinguish between “Hermaphrodite” and “Androgyn.” In Hermaphrodite, two entities are combined in duality while Androgyn is one entity in unity. I believe the number eight resonated strongly with Hermaphrodite and the theme of duality. Even the image of number eight is suggestive of that.

Image

The Hermaphrodite in alchemy


http://altreligion.about.com/od/symbols/p/Octagrams-Eight-Pointed-Stars.htm
http://symbolreader.net/2013/05/07/the-eight-point-star-to-my-wandering-bark/


interesting article on twinflames and the eight-pointed star:
http://starchildglobal.com/thesacredrosetwo.html

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posted April 16, 2014 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wonderingwoman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am totally new to persona charts and I have a question for a venus persona chart I just did.What would moon conjunct at 1 degree conjunct Aries ASC at 0 degrees signify? Venus is in capricorn 11th house.

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posted April 16, 2014 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The Eight-pointed star, the symbol of Venus - Love the Lightbringer, final unification of the Androgyne in the physical plane, in tangible manifestation, related to the Lemniscate (and number 11, IMO).

Cosmic wedding manifested on Earth, a resurrection in itself, beginning of a new cycle (Christian symbolism of baptism: baptismal font, an octagon; eight pointed star - symbol of Christ Pantocrator), of the new mission of the couple, shown in number 9 - teaching the world, bringing the wedding into the world, bringing unity after achieving unity.

Of course, this achieved unity, this "wedding" could be an inner one. But, as connected to Venus symbolism, self-love leads to unity with the other, to finding the other.

[b]Octagrams – eight pointed stars – show up in a variety of different cultures, and modern users of the symbol borrow liberally from these sources.
Babylonian:
In Babylonian symbolism, the goddess Ishtar is represented by an eight-pointed starburst, and she is associated with the planet of Venus. Today, some people equate the Greek Aphrodite, whom the Romans equated with their Venus, with Ishtar. Both goddesses represent lust and sexuality, although Ishtar also represents fertility and war.
Judeo-Christian:
The number eight frequently represents beginnings, resurrection, salvation and super-abundance. This has to do, in part, with the fact that the number seven is a number of completion. The eighth day, for example, is the first day of a new seven-day week, and a Jewish child enters into God's Covenant on the eighth day of life via circumcision.
Egyptian:
Old Kingdom Egyptians recognized a group of eight deities, four male and four female, with the female bearing feminine forms of the male names: Nu, Nanet, Amun, Amunet, Kuk, Kauket, Huh, and Hauhet. Each pair represents a primal force, water, air, darkness, and infinity, and together they create the world and the sun god Ra from the primordial waters. Together, these eight are known as the Ogdoad, and this context is borrowed by other cultures which may represent it with an octagram.
Gnostics:
The second century Gnostic Valentinius wrote about his own concept of the Ogdoad, which again is four male/female pairs of what they considered primordial principles. First, Abyss and Silence brought forth Mind and Truth, which then produced Word and Life, which finally produced Man and Church. Today, various pursuers of esoterica have drawn upon various concepts of the Ogdoad.
Star of Lakshmi:
In Hinduism, Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, has eight emanations known as Ashtalakshmi, which are represented by two entwined squares forming an octagram. These emanations represent eight forms of wealth: monetary, ability to transport, endless prosperity, victory, patience, health and nourishment, knowledge, and family.
Overlapping Squares:
Octagrams formed from overlapping squares often emphasize duality: yin and yang, male and female, spiritual and material. Squares are often connected with the physical world: four elements, four cardinal directions, etc. Together, the they can mean both positive and negative aspects of the four elements, for example, and balancing them.
Judeo-Christian Esoterica:
Esoteric thinkers working with Hebrew and the names of God might place the Hebrew letters for YHWH and ADNI (Yahweh and Adonai) within the points of an Octagram.
Chaos Star:
A chaos star is eight points radiating from a central point. While originating in fiction – specifically the writings of Michael Moorcock – it has now been adopted into a variety of additional contexts, including religious and magical ones. Most notably, it has been adopted by some as a symbol of chaos magic.

Buddhism
Buddhists use an eight-spoked wheel to represent the Eightfold Path taught by the Buddha as a means to escape suffering through the breaking of attachments. These paths are right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration.

The Wheel of the Year
The Wiccan Wheel of the Year is commonly represented as a circle containing eight spokes or an eight-pointed star. Each point is a major holiday known as a Sabbat. Wiccans emphasize the system of holidays as a whole: each holiday is influenced by what has come before and prepares for the one approaching next.


II. The Symbolism of Number Eight

In his Dictionary of Symbols Cirlot writes that the octonary is a stage between a square and a circle, i.e. between the earthly plane symbolized by the square and the eternal order symbolized by the circle. This makes number eight symbolic of regeneration because regeneration can only happen through the vitalizing power of symbols and archetypes. Interestingly, in the Middle Ages number eight symbolized the waters of baptism. Eight is also the lemniscate, the infinity symbol. Perhaps surprisingly, it is also associated with the caduceus, a wand with two serpents twined around it. It is a symbol of balanced duality, “emphasizing the supreme state of strength and self-control (and consequently health) which can be achieved both on the lower plane of the instincts (symbolized by the serpents) and on the higher level of the spirit (symbolized by the wings).” (Cirlot)

Image

Caduceus

Image

Lemniscate

In Kabbalah eight is linked to Hod, the eighth Sefira. Its keywords are splendor, thoughts, communication and absolute intelligence. It was striking to me to find out that the magical image associated with this sefira is Hermaphrodite, the child of Hermes and Aphrodite, the god of communication and the goddess of beauty. Also, it is a powerful alchemical symbol of the integration of opposites. I have recently been contacted by a reader of this blog, who kindly pointed out to me that we should distinguish between “Hermaphrodite” and “Androgyn.” In Hermaphrodite, two entities are combined in duality while Androgyn is one entity in unity. I believe the number eight resonated strongly with Hermaphrodite and the theme of duality. Even the image of number eight is suggestive of that.

Image

The Hermaphrodite in alchemy


http://altreligion.about.com/od/symbols/p/Octagrams-Eight-Pointed-Stars.htm
http://symbolreader.net/2013/05/07/the-eight-point-star-to-my-wandering-bark/


interesting article on twinflames and the eight-pointed star:
http://starchildglobal.com/thesacredrosetwo.html [/B]



thank you very much for this.

It reminded me that the 8 is the symbol of infinity. It is interesting how we seem to only apply karmic implications to it (Saturn?), but actually if you think about it, the 8t is the union of two wholes, intertwined with each other.


Also, are you familiar with the synodic Venus-cycle?
it makes a pentagram in the sky and one cycle takes appropriately 8 years if I remember it right. Blashke also wrote about it, and of course Arielle Guttman did (the Venus Star signs).
http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/time-with-venus

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Since you mentioned I also had in mind discussing the 8th harmonic (and 4th harmonic) with you, but am undecided if doing it on here or opening a new thread.

the link you posted got my attention too, a few months ago I was waking up several times with the name of "The knights of the silver Rose" and alternated with "the knights of the sacred rose", I didn´t find any traces of this in the net, but interestngly one of these mornings I would find a silver rose lying outside the window-door to my sleeping room. The wind must have blown it there from somewhere (you know of course it was an artificial rose, and actually only the head/ petals, not the stem). But still the words "silver rose" or "sacred rose" intrigued me.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Since you mentioned I also had in mind discussing the 8th harmonic (and 4th harmonic) with you, but am undecided if doing it on here or opening a new thread.


A new thread pls, I'm all ear and I'm sure many would be interested in this also.

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posted April 16, 2014 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I will do so, just let me gather some thoughts, and I will be back later.


BTW according to Arielle Guttman in her book about the Venus-star, Mr Sag and me are not born on a twin flame star (there are twin flame stars, karmic stars and creative stars). Rather we are born on a creative star.

my Venus star point is on 13.44 Scorpio (funnily the Venus-Sun-conjunction before my birth, which is what determines your Venus-Satr, was apparently taking place on 8:08 a.m.. lol - oh and on 6th november).

his Venus Star is on 1°43 Virgo (on his own NN).


Though for these star the aspects do not have to be exact, the one between our VSP is pretty exact.

Making a quintile with only one minute of orb. It is actually very precise. lol

I find that interesting in the light that I have found our composite to resonate with quintiles quite much. Not isolated quintiles but two quintile patterns including midpoint configurations, two golden Yods, as they say.

One consisting of
Jupiter in GEmini in 5th quintile
Saturn in Leo in 7th, both biquintile
Venus in Cap in 12th.


The one being

Sun in Sagittarius in 11th quintile
Pluto in Libra in 8th, both biquintile
Juno in Taurus in 4th


I shall take a note in my mind of the 5th harmonic probably. lol

http://www.aastl.net/FindYourVenusStarPoint.pdf

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posted April 16, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally managed to have a decent look at his AMOR - my natal comparision.

I think this might be the most important configuration. It is not exact, no, but it still got my attention, oh yes, certainly.


3 crosses, well, of course i used asteroids, but still. How is it called and what does it mean?
I also found it interesting where my name asteroid falls.

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posted April 16, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the crosses are:

cardinal:
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his AP KARMA 19 Libra
his AP Pluto 20 Libra
his AP ASC 21 Libra

his AP Venus 23 Cancer


my n Chiron 20 Aries (on his AP DESC)
my n EROS 21 Cancer (on his AP Venus)
my n VX 21 Cancer (on his AP Venus)
my n DESTINN 23 Cancer (on his AP Venus)
my n DNA 20 Libra (on his AP ASC-Pluto-Karma)
my n Sappho 21 Libra
my n ARTHUR 21 Capricorn

And this really weirds me out

his AP Sun/Moon-mp 21°34 Cancer
my n Sun/Moon-mp 21°31 Capricorn

fixed cross
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his AP Uranus 21 Scorpio
his AP Chiron 18 Taurus
his AP Vertex 16 Taurus
his AP NN 20 Leo
his AP MOIRA 18 Aquarius

my n Moon 17 Aquarius (on his AP Moira-SN)
my n Cupido 19 Leo (on his NN)

his AP Moon/Mars-mp on 18 Leo opposite my n Moon


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mutable cross
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his AP Jupiter-Juno 18 Virgo
his AP Neptune 19 Sagittarius
his AP CUPIDO 16 Pisces

my n KARMA 16 Gemini
my n JUNO 17 Pisces (well. 16.58 Pisces)

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posted April 16, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very very loose Sun-Venus-DW:

his AP Sun trine my Venus (3)
his AP Venus quinkunx my Sun (2-3)


conjunctions
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AP Mars-Union conjunct Uranus (1-2)
AP LUST conjunct VALENTINE (3)
AP VALENTINE conjunct Mars (0)
AP VALENTINE conjunct LUST (3)
AP VALENTINE conjunct ASC (2)
AP AMOR conjunct GUINEVERE exact
AP MOIRA conjunct Moon (1)
AP Vertex conjunct my name exact
AP Chiron conjunct my name (1)
AP Antivertex conjunct LANCELOT exact
AP Moon conjunct DESC (2)
AP Moon widely conjunct SN (5-6) - just mentioning it because it is a DW
AP Venus conjunct EROS (2)
AP Venus conjunct Vertex (2)
AP Venus conjunct DESTINN exact
AP NN conjunct CUPIDO exact
AP Jupiter opposite JUNO (1)
AP JUNO opposite JUNO (1)
AP Eros conjunct Pluto (1)
AP EROS conjunct APHRODITE (3)
AP APHRODITE conjunct APHRODITE exact

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Double Whammies:
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AP MC trine VALENTINE exact
AP VALENTINE sextile MC exact

AP Mars sextile VESTA exact
AP VESTA trine Mars (2)

AP SN conjunct Moon (3)
AP Moon conjunct SN (5)

AP Pluto square EROS exact
AP EROS conjunct Pluto (1)

AP SAPPHO square Pluto (2)
AP Pluto conjunct SAPPHO (2)


AP VALENTINE conjunct LUST 3)
AP LUST conjunct VALENTINE (3)

there are probably more but my eyes grow tired. lol


midpoints
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his AP Sun/Venus opposite my Moon 0.52

his AP Sun/&Mars conjunct my MC 0.38
his AP Sun/Mars square my Venus 0.32

his AP Moon/Mars opposite my Moon 0.56

his AP Venus/Mars opposite my Jupiter 1.33

his AP Venus/Neptune conjunct my MC 0.43
his AP Venus/Neptune square my Venus 0.43

his AP Venus/Pluto square my ASC 0.16
(his n AP Venus/Pluto conj. my ASC)

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posted April 16, 2014 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my AMOR-Persona - his natal

Some sort of mutable Grand Cross

my AP ASC 28 Virgo
my AP MC 27 Gemini
my AP Mars 00 Cancer
my AP Vertex 25 Pisces


his n ASC and POF 25 PIsces (on my AP Vertex)
his n MC and Moon 28 Sag (on my AP IC)
his n Sun 27 Sag (on my AP IC)
his n Saturn 27 Virgo (on my AP ASC)
his n Vx and Aphrodite 28 Vg on my AP ASC)


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there is also a configuration with the nodes


my AP NN 21 Scorpio
my AP Moon 16 Leo
my AP name 16 Leo

his n VALENTINE 19 Scorpio (on my AP NN)
his n ATLANTIS 20 Leo (on my AP Moon, name)

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conjunctions:

AP JUNO conjunct his Mars-Jupiter-AMOR, his name
AP ASC conjunct his DESC-Saturn-Vx-APHRODITE
AP KARMA conjunct his KARMA-DESTINN
AP CUPOIDO conjunct his UNION
AP NN conjunct his VALENTINE
AP Neptune conjunct his MErcury
AP IC conjunct his MC-Sun-Moon
AP AMOR conjunct his EROS-my name
AP Vx-DSC conjunct his POF-ASC
AP Mars conjunct his IC

midpoint activation
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AP Eros/Psyche-mp conjunct his ASC-POF-Avx

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posted April 16, 2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, your obsession brings me joy

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted April 16, 2014 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who`s obsessed?
I am just ... thorough.

Well my tightest midpoint picture is

Moon=Mercury/Pluto

I have to really get to the bottom of things.

Oh I also have Moon=Sun/Pluto at tight orb and Sun=Mercury=Jupiter/Pluto

For someone with so much Sag energy, Pluto is really messing up my midpoints (as is Saturn btw. Venus=Sun/Saturn=Mercury/Saturn; Sun=Mercury=Mars/Saturn).

I am just a boring analyst.

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