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Chiemi
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posted April 07, 2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Did you have Sun conjunct Moon in synastry?

I didn't have his exact TOB but I checked and regardless of the time of day he was born he's still a Virgo Moon and I'm a Virgo Sun (just might not have made an aspect though)

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posted April 07, 2014 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got bored gave this a whirl:
natal to male venus:
moon conjunct moon/asc
venus conjunct mercury exact
venus opp saturn exact
venus opp uranus exact
venus conjunct juno 2
venus conjunct chiron 4
saturn conjunct amor exact
neptune opp valentine exact
nn opp cupido 1
mercury opp mc exact
juno conjunct pluto exact
juno conjunct psyche exact
eros/psyche conjunct jupiter exact
amor conjunct sun exact
amor opp amor 1
karma conjunct mars 1
asc conjunct jupiter exact
mc opp cupido exact

My mars persona to his natal.
Sun opp juno 1
Sun opp MC 1 i.e. conjunct ic 1
Venus opp neptune 1
mars opp valentine 3
Venus conjunct Chiron 3
pallas conjunct lust 1
juno opp pallas exact
juno conjunct amor exact
vesta conjunct psyche 1
vesta opp union exact
valentine opp pluto 1
valentine conjunct karma 2
valentine conjunct Asc 1
amor opp eros exact
cupido opp lust 2
karma opp kaali 1
union conjunct amor exact

My Venus persona to his Mars persona
Sun conjunct Chiron 1
Sun conjunct amor 2
Moon opp NN 2/ conjunct south node
Venus conjunct Sun 4
Venus conjunct Mars 3
Venus conjunct MC EXACT
Mars conjunct mars 2
mars conjunct mc 1
Jupiter conjunct sun 3
Jupiter conjunct mc exact
Saturn opp sun 2
Saturn opp venus 2
vesta conjunct vesta 3
NN opp mercury 2
valentine opp sun exact
valentine opp mc 3
lust conjunct pluto 2
lust conjunct asc 1
amor opp psyche 2
cupido conjunct chiron 2
asc conjunct mercury 1
asc conjunct karma 2
mc conjunct nn 1
Pholus conjunct Valentine exact

His Eros Persona to My Psyche persona
sun conjunct pholus 1
Sun conjunct valentine 2
Sun opp kaali exact
venus conjunct vesta exact
mars conjunct karma 3
nn opp lilith exact
psyche conjunct amor 2
amor conjunct asc 3
lust conjunct pluto exact

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posted April 07, 2014 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what a persona chart is. First I'm hearing of it. Will have to do some homework on it at some point.

But since people here seem to be familiar with it, can someone do a persona chart for the relationship beteeen Warren Beatty & Annette Bening? Their synastry is a bit strange so it'd be interesting to see the persona chart view of them.

They've been married for two two decades and have 4 children together. Annette's birthtime isn't known, but I'm not sure how much that matters for persona charts.

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posted April 07, 2014 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:

But since people here seem to be familiar with it, can someone do a persona chart for the relationship beteeen Warren Beatty & Annette Bening? Their synastry is a bit strange so it'd be interesting to see the persona chart view of them.

They've been married for two two decades and have 4 children together. Annette's birthtime isn't known, but I'm not sure how much that matters for persona charts.


Just on a very cursory look.
in their Venus Persona comparision she may have her Moon on his DESC (Karma is conjunct hisDESC at 3 degrees too).

Also his Mars opposite her Venus.

His Moon conjunct her VALENTINE

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posted April 08, 2014 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I think that my Venus Persona chart is more triggered by Jude law`s natal than Mr Sag´s chart. Couldn`t help but notice


in my VP I have ASC on 16 Sag, the DESC exactly on my KARMA - and conjunct JL`s Saturn; my VP also conj. his Venus.

in my VP I have an exact conjunction of Sun and VESTA (yes I know ), falling right onto Jude`s Sun (opp. his Valentine).

my VP Venus on 18 Cap, not only opposes my own natal Saturn, but conjuncts his Jupiter-NN-DESTINN-conjunction in natal.

my VP Mars on 12 Sag connjuncts his 13 degree Venus. and actually his ASC on 9 Sag as well.

As I said just a cursory glance.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 08, 2014 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:

I think we should do other things beside that.


Such as?

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Ceridwen
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posted April 08, 2014 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we are all in total agreement that first of the natals have to be thoroughly analysed. Goes without saying, doesn´t it?

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posted April 08, 2014 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually I think that my Venus Persona chart is more triggered by Jude law`s natal than Mr Sag´s chart. Couldn`t help but notice


in my VP I have ASC on 16 Sag, the DESC exactly on my KARMA - and conjunct JL`s Saturn; my VP also conj. his Venus.

in my VP I have an exact conjunction of Sun and VESTA (yes I know ), falling right onto Jude`s Sun (opp. his Valentine).

my VP Venus on 18 Cap, not only opposes my own natal Saturn, but conjuncts his Jupiter-NN-DESTINN-conjunction in natal.

my VP Mars on 12 Sag connjuncts his 13 degree Venus. and actually his ASC on 9 Sag as well.

As I said just a cursory glance.


I wonder if Vesta plays such a major role for you because it is near your Sun like your defining asteroid. It is really interesting how it pops up everywhere.

Or maybe you are attracted to these men specifically because they trigger your Vesta.

Anyway, the more you check various charts, the more you find a theme, and this goes on for everybody. I am fascinated how things fall into place in astrology, like there really is a map of our soul in the sky. Reality is congruent at every level.

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posted April 08, 2014 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Got bored gave this a whirl:
natal to male venus:
moon conjunct moon/asc
venus conjunct mercury exact
venus opp saturn exact
venus opp uranus exact
venus conjunct juno 2
venus conjunct chiron 4
saturn conjunct amor exact
neptune opp valentine exact
nn opp cupido 1
mercury opp mc exact
juno conjunct pluto exact
juno conjunct psyche exact
eros/psyche conjunct jupiter exact
amor conjunct sun exact
amor opp amor 1
karma conjunct mars 1
asc conjunct jupiter exact
mc opp cupido exact

My mars persona to his natal.
Sun opp juno 1
Sun opp MC 1 i.e. conjunct ic 1
Venus opp neptune 1
mars opp valentine 3
Venus conjunct Chiron 3
pallas conjunct lust 1
juno opp pallas exact
juno conjunct amor exact
vesta conjunct psyche 1
vesta opp union exact
valentine opp pluto 1
valentine conjunct karma 2
valentine conjunct Asc 1
amor opp eros exact
cupido opp lust 2
karma opp kaali 1
union conjunct amor exact

My Venus persona to his Mars persona
Sun conjunct Chiron 1
Sun conjunct amor 2
Moon opp NN 2/ conjunct south node
Venus conjunct Sun 4
Venus conjunct Mars 3
Venus conjunct MC EXACT
Mars conjunct mars 2
mars conjunct mc 1
Jupiter conjunct sun 3
Jupiter conjunct mc exact
Saturn opp sun 2
Saturn opp venus 2
vesta conjunct vesta 3
NN opp mercury 2
valentine opp sun exact
valentine opp mc 3
lust conjunct pluto 2
lust conjunct asc 1
amor opp psyche 2
cupido conjunct chiron 2
asc conjunct mercury 1
asc conjunct karma 2
mc conjunct nn 1
Pholus conjunct Valentine exact

His Eros Persona to My Psyche persona
sun conjunct pholus 1
Sun conjunct valentine 2
Sun opp kaali exact
venus conjunct vesta exact
mars conjunct karma 3
nn opp lilith exact
psyche conjunct amor 2
amor conjunct asc 3
lust conjunct pluto exact


Your mutual love ties and Yin/Yang energies seem pretty connected in a karmic manner.

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posted April 08, 2014 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I wonder if Vesta plays such a major role for you because it is near your Sun like your defining asteroid. It is really interesting how it pops up everywhere.

Or maybe you are attracted to these men specifically because they trigger your Vesta.

Anyway, the more you check various charts, the more you find a theme, and this goes on for everybody. I am fascinated how things fall into place in astrology, like there really is a map of our soul in the sky. Reality is congruent at every level.


Yes, I agree about the themes (Juno-Eros seems a prevalent for me as well btw, at least in the Persona chart and coming up in the synastries)

VESTA seems to be an important theme, too, definitely. Not sure if it is becuase of the closeness to Sun or being on the Ariespoint. It tends to get highlighted in synastries, that is true (also THEIR Vesta in relation to my chart).

maybe the Persona chart is illuminating as to WHY. I mean probably it is not a coincidence that the Sun-VESTA conjunction happens in the Venus-Persona chart, and my Venus-persona seems to have quite a karmic theme (VP Venus in Cappy opposing Saturn in 7th; VP DESC conjunct n KARMA exact).

VESTA seems to play especially a role in Venus-matters (love, attraction, and the like).


Curiously though the Venus-Persona synastry is downright disappointing (with Mr Sag).

Nothing really worth of mentioning.
The only thing I find important is that my VP Moon is on 24 Gemini in 7th house and opposes his natal Sun on almost 27 Sagittarius. (there is a lot of Sun/Moon conj. or opposition all through the persona charts I glanced at btw).

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posted April 08, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His VP to my natal does not fare much better

my ASC and Nn conjunct his Venus/Mars-mp
my Sun conjunct his IC
my VESTA conjunct his IC
my JUNO opposite his Mars
my VALENTINE conjunct his VALENTINE

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posted April 08, 2014 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Never mind, figured it out.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Your mutual love ties and Yin/Yang energies seem pretty connected in a karmic manner.

Indeed, it's kind of irritating in fact.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
His VP to my natal does not fare much better

my ASC and Nn conjunct his Venus/Mars-mp
my Sun conjunct his IC
my VESTA conjunct his IC
my JUNO opposite his Mars
my VALENTINE conjunct his VALENTINE


What about checking Vesta Persona vs. natals? Or Vesta Vesta.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just had the idea about VESTA.
And oh boy

BTW I noticed that since I have an ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction only 2 degrees off my Venus, there is an exact Sun-VESTA-conjunction in each of the persona charts.

BTW in my VESTA Persona I have KARMA on my ASC on 14 Gemini exact.
VESTA herself is conjunct Sun by 3 degrees

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posted April 08, 2014 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How do I check a particular persona chart? I only found an option that shows all the wheels in a small size. There are dates and times under. Should I make a chart for that moment?


There is also an option "Persona chart", under Nine Personas, where you get to choose the planets/asteroids.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think for me personally I should check the VESTA, JUNO and possibly ISIS/OSIRIS charts.

Oh and btw what does it mean if the Mars persona is strong?
I find them to be. I will show you some results later. But a lot of angle-nodal-luminary action there

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posted April 08, 2014 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Oh and btw what does it mean if the Mars persona is strong?


...as if you didn't know?
His Mars with your Mars? Or your natal Mars?

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posted April 08, 2014 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What maximum orbs do you allow for conjunctions and oppositions?

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posted April 08, 2014 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What maximum orbs do you allow for conjunctions and oppositions?


I'd say 4-5, but if you have significant patterns or combinations or recurrent themes, you can allow more. It all depends on the visuals for me. I mean between major planets, angles. Tight for asteroids.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
...as if you didn't know?
His Mars with your Mars? Or your natal Mars?

I am not completely sure. maybe something having to do with physical activity, and yes including sexual chemistry probably? Or am I reaching here?
Could you have a look?

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posted April 08, 2014 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am not completely sure. maybe something having to do with physical activity, and yes including sexual chemistry probably? Or am I reaching here?
Could you have a look?


Yes, of course. First of all it would be sex, in a couple (Mars to Mars). Unless you are Kung Fu buddies

I can tell you so far for the Mars Personas I've seen hard aspects (squares/oppositions) mean a very sexual person.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Eros persona Chart Asc. and MC are exactly conjunct my ErosP.Chart Asc/Mc!
Which are exactly conjunct to our Composite cusps.

Does any comparison to the composite mean anything?

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posted April 08, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
using 3 degree orbs and only conj./ opp

my MaP-his MaP
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ASC conjunct Saturn
MC conjunct Vertex exact
Avx conjunct Saturn
NN conjunct ASC-Uranus
Nn conjunct LUST (3)
Sun conjunct VALENTINE exact
Moon conjunct Saturn

Venus conjunct Pluto
Venus conjunct KARMA
(his MaPPluto-KARMA conjuncts my n DNA exact)

Mars conjunct Vx
Mars conjunct Moon

Uranus conjunct Mars-Union
Pluto conjunct EROS-APHRODITE
JUNO conjunct Sun
VESTa opposite JUNO-Jupiter
VALENTINE-EROS conjunct VALENTINE
PSYCHE conjunct PSYCHE


my MaP - his natal
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ASC conjunct Vertex-APHRODITE (Saturn)
Vertex conjunct Antivertex
NN conjunct Uranus

Moon conjunct DESC-Vertex-APHRODITE
Moon conjunct Saturn

Venus conjunct Pluto
Mars conjunct IC exact
Mars opposite Sun-Moon
Uranus opposite VESTA
JUNO conjunct Jupiter (and Mars-AMOR)
Eros/Psyche-mp conjunct ASC

my natal - his MaP
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ASC conjunct VALENTINE
MC conjunct Sun/Moon-mp
Moon conjunct SN

Mars conjunct VALENTINE exact

Jupiter conjunct IC
Jupiter opposite Sun exact

Uranus conjunct Mars-UNION
Pluto conjunct EROS
Pluto conjunct Sun/Moon-mp

Chiron opposite KARMA
KARMA opposite PSYCHE

JUNO opposite Jupiter-JUNO
VESTA conjunct Antivertex exact
AMOR conjunct Mars
LUST conjunct Mars
APHRODITE conjunct EROS-APHRODITE

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posted April 08, 2014 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'd say 4-5, but if you have significant patterns or combinations or recurrent themes, you can allow more. It all depends on the visuals for me. I mean between major planets, angles. Tight for asteroids.

Thanks. I forgot to ask - both when it comes to n-p and p-p comparisons?

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