posted April 08, 2014 01:25 PM            

I`d say distant admirerer. He`s a local performer, but he makes things rather difficult as he has the habit to appear in my physical proximity rather often. Just as part of concerts or during a break. and all just a coincidence, sometimes will spend a good deal of the show, singing while standing right beside or shortly behind me.
It`s a little weird, actually.

It would be easier if he stayed on stage, but whenever he crosses a certain distance-line, things get, I donīt know, I am just super-conscious of him I suppose, though at the same time he seems to be the only one who can literally sneak up on me.

Over the years we did talk, just silly things really, I guess performer-audience kind of thingies, and I donīt think he even remembers our first chat. I surely hope so (I asked him for his birthtime and he called his mom to find out. lol).

But this has been years ago, and I have been alternating in disappearing for years, and then just being there again, and he probably doesn`t recognize or remember me, but well, it is just this strange elusive bizarre scenario of total ignorance and not-acknowledging each other (wel it is understandable that he does not recognize me, but it is me who is totally silly. I mean I pretended to ignore him while he was pretty much standing in front of me, well almost walking into me, and it was on one of HIS concerts, a solo concert. How would I not recognize him? It was HIS freaking concert. I have never behaved like a silly schoolgirl, not even when I actually WAS a silly schoolgirl, but I seem to feel compelled to do so around him. Totally Neptunian- Well my Netpune conjuncts his Mercury and squares his Mars. an explanation, not an excuse. lol)

However, for the rare times I actually stopped acting like I had never seen him (while being on one of his concerts), I am kinda amazed at how positively he seems to react to any kind of aproach.
It happened before, and a few months ago, I felt compelled to tell him somehing nice about a show he was in (a chaotic one, many trouble with that one - I had been talking to several of the other performers, so I thought, I could say at least `Hi`to him and tell him I enjoyed the show despite all the messing up having taken place around it. Not that I really think he cared if I enjoyed the show or not, but a friend of mine, a semi-professional dancer and choreographer once told me how important it was for most artists to get a positive, thoughtful, resonance).

Anyway, I did say Hello and what Iw anted to say, and not really all that much, but it just almost shocked me how warmly he seemed to react to me. Actually almost like he had been waiting for me to talk to him. lol
I am not sure though why it seems like everytime we talk (not as often as it sounds), it seems like he wants to crawl into me. I am probably making more out of it, and he is a creative person and probably just very used to be physically close to a lot of people, but considering the fact we don`t know each other, shouldn`t he keep to a bit of a social distance zone?
I mean even the very first time we talked, he somehow ended up in my personal zone, brushing the intimacy zone. Not that I really mind. Though I minded that I did not mind, as I donīt like people that close. Ever. Not even friends, or we have to be friends for a long time, and established a bond of closeness and trust in many talks and years.
So it did not quite make sense to me that I felt like he actually had that "privilege" to be that physically close to me. It`s disconcerting. Really.
He`s a stranger, I have a good defense system with well oiled alarms and sirens in case someone even threatens to come too close. Just with him it fails. No alarmsystem there.
It baffles me actually.

posted April 08, 2014 01:34 PM            

Aww, thank you, Ceri, it is such a nice compliment coming from you, I think you are an awesome astrologer.

Well, all these connections in your MP/MP comparison seem either karmic (ASC, Saturn, Vertex axis, MC, Moon conjuunct Saturn, Venus conjunct Karma etc.) or a little bit on the S&M side.

S&M for me involves Saturn and Mars hard aspects, Capricorn, Lust and Lilith somewhere in there, some Pluto. Venus connections between those.

BTW, Marquis de Sade Mars Persona.

Pretty self-explanatory, IMO

The cherry on top: Uranus conjunct Lust and Vertex in Capricorn 5th

posted April 08, 2014 01:36 PM            

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(I asked him for his birthtime and he called his mom to find out. lol).

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I love your story, thanks for sharing it with me. It's a shame the circumstances aren't different. But I'll still be quietly hoping for some miraculous twist for you (don't beat meee ).

posted April 08, 2014 01:38 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I have a Taurus Moon in the Moon and Venus persona. Is it significant?

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posted April 08, 2014 01:40 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ceri, post your Mars persona chart please. I'm not sexually active either and I'm curious.

This is mine:

P.S. Are there any similarities to your natal chart?

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posted April 08, 2014 01:41 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wow, Cappy, you should get down to business. You too Ceri

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Lol, what got you so impressed?

posted April 08, 2014 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
We do have Atlantis conjunct Atlantis in synastry, so i decided to do Atlantis persona chart comparisons (and to each others natals as well). The results were quite telling.

Atlantis persona to Atlantis persona, me first

Sun conjunct Sun 1
Moon conjunct Neptune exact
Jupiter conjunct Mercury 2
Jupiter conjunct Juno 1
Chiron opposite Psyche exact
Vertex opposite Psyche 1
Eros conjunct Mars 1
Psyce trine Eros exact
Amor opposite Angel exact
Union conjunct Mars exact
Angel conjunct Pluto exact
Angel conjunct ASC 1
Atlantis conjunct Pluto exact
Atlantis conjunct ASC exact
DNA conjunct Venus 1
DNA conjunct Karma exact
DNA conjunct Atlantis exact
ASC conjunct Mars exact

My Atlantis persona - his natal

Sun conjunct Atlantis 1
Moon conjunct Neptune 2
Moon conjunct Eros 1
Venus conjunct Union 1
Jupiter conjunct Valentine 0
Jupiter conjunct IC 1
Saturn conjunct Moon 1
Saturn conjunct DNA 1
Karma opposite Psyche 0
Valentine conjunct Moon 1
Valentine conjunct DNA 0
Atlantis conjunct Pluto 0
ASC conjunct Uranus 2

His Atlantis persona - my natal

Sun conjunct Atlantis 1
Mercury conjunct DNA 0
Venus conjunct Venus 1
Mars opposite Mars 1
Saturn conjunct Union 1
Uranus conjunct Lilith 1
NN opposite Juno 1
NN opposite Valentine 1
Chiron opposite Lilith 0
Juno conjunct DNA 0
Karma conjunct Sun 2
Eros opposite Psyche 2
Psyche conjunct NN 1
Union conjunct Angel 1
Lust conjunct Moon 0
Lust conjunct Eros 0
Angel conjunct ASC 1
Atlantis conjunct Sun !!!
MC conjunct Moon 0
MC conjunct Eros 1

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posted April 08, 2014 01:43 PM            

Mine:

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His:

posted April 08, 2014 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
My Juno persona to his Juno persona
Sun conjunct pluto
Venus & Mercury conjunct pluto
Jupiter opp Mercury exact
Jupiter opp Kaali
Uranus conjunct Mars
Neptune opp asc
NN conjunct pallas
Nn conjunct Eros
Chiron opp pallas
Chiron Conjunct vesta
Vertex opp neptune exact
Pallas opp sun
Pallas conjunct karma exact
Juno conjunct vertex
Juno opp cupido exact
Vesta opp vertex
Vesta conjunct pholus
Pholus opp psyche
Pholus opp amor
Vesta cobjunct valentine
Pholus conjunct asc
Eros opp Sun
Eros conjunct karma
Psyche conjunct moon
Psyche conjunct chiron
Amor opp venus
Lilith conjunct pallas
Lilith conjunct Eros
Valentine conjunct vertex
Valentine opp cupido exact
Lust opp juno
Lust opp union exact
Union opp pholus
Union conjunct psyche
Union opp valentine
Karma conjunct lust exact
Asc opp pholus exact
Asc conjunct psyche
Asc conjunct amor
Asc opp valentine exact
Mc conjunct sun
Mc conjunct karma.

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posted April 08, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]or a famous artist

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The most probable option

Ok, here's what I found:

My Venus persona - his natal

Ascendants in the same sign
Asc conjunct Moon under 1
Moon conjunct Dsc and Chiron
Sun conjunct SN
Mercury opposite Venus and Vertex

My Mars persona - his natal
Venus conjunct Venus, 1 deg
MC conjunct Venus
Jupiter conjunct NN
Asc conjunct Saturn
Sun on the Dsc
Sun conjunct Chiron

My Moon persona - his natal

Asc conjunct Venus
Jupiter and Venus conjunc MC
Mercury conjunct Moon under 1
IC conjunct MC
Saturn conjunct SN

I think I could be his type too

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posted April 08, 2014 01:50 PM            

Ceri, so you think astroid personas are relevant?

posted April 08, 2014 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Newrise:
His Moon Persona is an EXACT replica of our Davidson Chart. To the exact degree, even the asteroids.

How is that possible? :O

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posted April 08, 2014 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You have been born in subsequent years (or maybe the same year), and his Moon falls onto Davison Sun (the date in the middle between both birthdays).

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posted April 08, 2014 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Newrise:
Aaah .. Is that good?

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Depend on your Davison chart.

posted April 08, 2014 02:02 PM            

So Uranus persona chart - him to me.

Moon conjunct Moon 2 - i guess that we're both similar despite all our differences. And that's true. We share so much, and there really is telepathy between us. We pretty much know what the other one is thinking often.

Venus conjunct Saturn exact - no need to explain, i guess

Venus opposite Chiron exact

Jupiter conjunct IC 1 - he feels like home to me

Neptune conjunct Mercury 2 - hmm, that might also explain that telepathic thing

NN conjunct Mars EXACT
Venus conjunct NN 3

KARMA conjunct Pluto EXACT

MC conjunct Sun EXACT

posted April 08, 2014 02:09 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Selene:
I really do think that we must see persona charts for the objects that are the main theme in regular synastry.

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I agree with you.
The persona chart are like a magnifying glass, directed onto a planet.

All the planets within need to be interpreted in relation to the overarching theme/ symbol - the planet in queston.

So for example if I looked at the NN within a Mercury-persona chart - it would be the purpose/ path in relation to communicative matters, it would not say anything about love and attraction (unless of course Mercury is 5th house or 7th house or maybe 8th house ruler. lol).

I was looking at the LUST persona, cause it is conjunct my ASC natally (my own Lust that is) and we both have a conjunction of LUST and ANGEL in natal, and the composite has Lust conjunct ANGEL and VALENTINE, opposing Juno, sextile Moon, trine Ceres - so I figured it might be important. lol

If we find a nasty isolated SAturn square there, like the one I have, it would only tell me something about eventual blockages relating to the free expression of, well, lust, but would not hasve anything to do with my general emotional expression or even feelings of love and attraction (having said that Saturn is opp. Venus in the Venus Persona as well. lol)

I also think beside all the usual suspects, we should also keep an eye on where hte planet lands whose persona chart we check.

posted April 08, 2014 02:21 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lol, what got you so impressed?

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Cappy, you have a very strong Mars Persona, and a happy one too, ruler of ASC and 8th on MC, hard aspects, Pluto in 2nd, Sun in 8th in Taurus, you could even make a business out of it...just kiddin' (but you do have a packed 10th house and Mercury on 8th house cusp)

Ceri, you too, you have a lot of femininity to express through your 'Mars' (Moon, ruler of MC, on ASC), all Aries points involved, Mars on MC ruler of 8th, Jupiter in 7th with Venus and Pluto (Jupiter - ruler of your natal chart), NN in Scorpio/2nd, and that wonderful Eros/Valentine/Lust in Capricorn 4th. 4th is like the heart of the matter.

posted April 08, 2014 02:22 PM            

same angles but in a different order (his Asc - my IC), conjunct
Venus conjunct Mercury and Juno
Moon conjunct Venus
Eros and Priapus widely conjunct Mars
Vertex opposite Neptune exact (closer) and conjunct Pholus (slighly wider)
Mars conjunct Asc
Pluto conjunct Moon (closer)
Jupiter conjunct Moon
NN conjunct SN (closer)

His Venus persona - my natal

same angles in the same order, conjunct
Vertex conjunct Venus
Juno conjunct Ceres
Venus opposite Venus
Moon opposite Sun
Priapus opposite Lilith
Mercury opposite Mercury
Sun opposite Uranus and Neptune

These are not all the aspects and I included some of the aspects that appear between the natals too but the orb is different.

Actually all of this is unnecessary. He would have to pay attention to me having his Venus opposite my Uranus exact and with this mind blowing synastry of ours lol

quote:

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Cappy, you have a very strong Mars Persona, and a happy one too, ruler of ASC and 8th on MC, hard aspects, Pluto in 2nd, Sun in 8th in Taurus, you could even make a business out of it...just kiddin' (but you do have a packed 10th house and Mercury on 8th house cusp)

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posted April 08, 2014 02:26 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am attracted to him, pretty much against my own will

I`d say distant admirerer. He`s a local performer, but he makes things rather difficult as he has the habit to appear in my physical proximity rather often. Just as part of concerts or during a break. and all just a coincidence, sometimes will spend a good deal of the show, singing while standing right beside or shortly behind me.
It`s a little weird, actually.

It would be easier if he stayed on stage, but whenever he crosses a certain distance-line, things get, I donīt know, I am just super-conscious of him I suppose, though at the same time he seems to be the only one who can literally sneak up on me.

Over the years we did talk, just silly things really, I guess performer-audience kind of thingies, and I donīt think he even remembers our first chat. I surely hope so (I asked him for his birthtime and he called his mom to find out. lol).

But this has been years ago, and I have been alternating in disappearing for years, and then just being there again, and he probably doesn`t recognize or remember me, but well, it is just this strange elusive bizarre scenario of total ignorance and not-acknowledging each other (wel it is understandable that he does not recognize me, but it is me who is totally silly. I mean I pretended to ignore him while he was pretty much standing in front of me, well almost walking into me, and it was on one of HIS concerts, a solo concert. How would I not recognize him? It was HIS freaking concert. I have never behaved like a silly schoolgirl, not even when I actually WAS a silly schoolgirl, but I seem to feel compelled to do so around him. Totally Neptunian- Well my Netpune conjuncts his Mercury and squares his Mars. an explanation, not an excuse. lol)

However, for the rare times I actually stopped acting like I had never seen him (while being on one of his concerts), I am kinda amazed at how positively he seems to react to any kind of aproach.
It happened before, and a few months ago, I felt compelled to tell him somehing nice about a show he was in (a chaotic one, many trouble with that one - I had been talking to several of the other performers, so I thought, I could say at least `Hi`to him and tell him I enjoyed the show despite all the messing up having taken place around it. Not that I really think he cared if I enjoyed the show or not, but a friend of mine, a semi-professional dancer and choreographer once told me how important it was for most artists to get a positive, thoughtful, resonance).

Anyway, I did say Hello and what Iw anted to say, and not really all that much, but it just almost shocked me how warmly he seemed to react to me. Actually almost like he had been waiting for me to talk to him. lol
I am not sure though why it seems like everytime we talk (not as often as it sounds), it seems like he wants to crawl into me. I am probably making more out of it, and he is a creative person and probably just very used to be physically close to a lot of people, but considering the fact we don`t know each other, shouldn`t he keep to a bit of a social distance zone?
I mean even the very first time we talked, he somehow ended up in my personal zone, brushing the intimacy zone. Not that I really mind. Though I minded that I did not mind, as I donīt like people that close. Ever. Not even friends, or we have to be friends for a long time, and established a bond of closeness and trust in many talks and years.
So it did not quite make sense to me that I felt like he actually had that "privilege" to be that physically close to me. It`s disconcerting. Really.
He`s a stranger, I have a good defense system with well oiled alarms and sirens in case someone even threatens to come too close. Just with him it fails. No alarmsystem there.
It baffles me actually.

But then again maybe I am not really that defensive as I always thoughts?

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posted April 08, 2014 02:33 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree with you.
The persona chart are like a magnifying glass, directed onto a planet.

All the planets within need to be interpreted in relation to the overarching theme/ symbol - the planet in queston.

So for example if I looked at the NN within a Mercury-persona chart - it would be the purpose/ path in relation to communicative matters, it would not say anything about love and attraction (unless of course Mercury is 5th house or 7th house or maybe 8th house ruler. lol).

I was looking at the LUST persona, cause it is conjunct my ASC natally (my own Lust that is) and we both have a conjunction of LUST and ANGEL in natal, and the composite has Lust conjunct ANGEL and VALENTINE, opposing Juno, sextile Moon, trine Ceres - so I figured it might be important. lol

If we find a nasty isolated SAturn square there, like the one I have, it would only tell me something about eventual blockages relating to the free expression of, well, lust, but would not hasve anything to do with my general emotional expression or even feelings of love and attraction (having said that Saturn is opp. Venus in the Venus Persona as well. lol)

I also think beside all the usual suspects, we should also keep an eye on where hte planet lands whose persona chart we check.

So VALENTINE in the VALENTINE Persona chart would probably give us information about a very core essence of what Valentine is about in a chart.

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posted April 08, 2014 02:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Depend on your Davison chart.

It is however significant, I think. Alone the fact that his emotions are connected to the Davison like this.

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Thanks Ceri Makes sense! I can see his emotions are connected. I don't know what a good Davison chart looks like but Sun (Libra) (conjunct his natal moon) opposite Moon (Aries) (conjunct my natal sun). Mercury conjunct Venus in Scorpio. Mars is kind of alone in Aqua, but conjunct his natal Eros and also Davison Eros. Jupiter is conjunct his natal Jupiter and my Venus. Hehe. There are no major aspect to external planets. Oh, and psyche conjuncts my natal psyche.

And it totally makes sense about the zooming into the planets. I am finding cool stuff