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Ceridwen
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posted April 29, 2014 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Union Persona chart

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See the Eros-Psyche-opposition? I guess only a soulmate union will do. lol
And one with quite a polarity-factor.


The midpoint of the Eros-Psyche-opposition is at about 19-20 Pisces-Virgo.
Now usually I would not consider Venus being conjunct KARMA, but interestingly the midpoint of this wide conjunction is at 19-20 Virgo, AND Vesta is on 18 Pisces on the other side.

the sabian of KARMA is intersting (IQ once concluded in a composite, when he saw htat Karma was on that Sabian, the people in question were twinflames, but even if not, it is just intersting).

"Mary and her little lamb"


UNION itself is in Scorpio in 5th house conjunct NN - so that is where the path is meant to lead?


However Sun conjunct Uranus - soulmate union or not, a lot of space and freedom is needed and maybe it is another rference to your beloved Aquarius, Leeloo.

Though I must admit, while I am not usually into Aquarius-Men, men who attract me do have to have a certain uranus-factor. (otherwise they couldnīt handle me at all).


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posted April 29, 2014 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy, it seems you will have your union in a far away land , 9th ruler in 1st, 1st ruler in 9th mutually receiving. You will meet him for sure, Union is on North Node. Saturn ruler of North Node in 3rd, sextile Mars IC ruler, perhaps he's your neighbor

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posted April 29, 2014 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who knows ^^ Thanks for looking.
LeeLoo, is he your official boyfriend?

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posted April 29, 2014 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"how long have you studied astrology?"
Soo long ago. Well, I think it started in 1989, so 25 years this year. Hey, seems like it is quite an anniversary with one of the two great loves in my life (the other one being musicals, which started just months after that. lol).

Actually, it all started with a dream I remember so vividly, cause in it the planet Neptune was not only visible (very big actually) but it was also exploding, and I couldnīt prevent it from doing. It was a very intense dream, and depsite all these years I can still see it in my mind like it had been yesterday. Of course at that point I had no clue that I am actually having Neptune on my ASC-Mars-NN. lol

But yeah that was when it modestly began, the very beginning.

"You're on the point of poetry in my opinion. When I grow up as an astrologer, I want to be just like you!"
Thank you. That is such a nice compliment. Especially coming from such an astute astrologer like you are imo.
I like the "to-the-point" observation and analysis you make. I sometimes have the tendenc to complicate things too much.

Though usally when I connect to a chart I start with the visual impression (and I always always always have my eyes on the angles, Vertex, nodal axis and luminaries before anyhting else, including their rulers of course. If that`s not there, the spine or the sceletton of the horoscope or relationship chart might be a little weak, and it couldnīt carry all the colourful sparkly asteroids and other things, which instead of making sense, could just end up dazzling and blinding to the fact that there is just a heap of colour, but nothing to paint it on).

"it is exactly so, in theme with our Moon/Pluto in regular composite, as Cappy pointed out so keenly."
Yes, I think relevant themese repeat themselves.

"His Venus/Juno there integrates him in your "mystical" configuration (rectangle plus sextiles which is octagonal, BTW, it has 8 sides) and it puts Venus on Venus."
Yes, that is what i observed, too. Though he doesn`t have natal planets in Aries nor Libra near there. Nothing in gemini.
So his Mercury on 9 Sagittarius is the only one my rectangle plugs into, from his natal.
Of course his Mercury is vastly important in his chart.
Ruling the 3rd, 4th and 7th house. Dispositing his NN and his Mars-Jupiter-Amor-conjunction in Virgo.
In mutual reception with Jupiter.
Squaring his Mars-Jupiter-Amor, which of course is one of the core connection to my chart, as my Jupiter (Pisces)-Neptune/NN/ASC/Mars (Sagittarius-square interconnects with this. Being made angular through my ASC, emnphasized trhough my NN as well, and if we are in a VERY generous mood, even his NN might play a role (it is 10 degrees of my Jupiter, Neptune and NN though, but is within orb of squaring my Mars, which in turn aspects my ASC and you know how the chain goes...)


" If he will be just a dream, maybe he will materialize into Mr Aqua, "
I am not sure I understand what you mean.


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posted April 29, 2014 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Union is near Juno so the aspects are nearly the same. But all my Angles start at Aries points, pratically divide the zodiac evenly. Only Virgo and Pisces is intercepted, I'm a bit worried here. But then I saw Mercury ruler of Virgo is right on ASC conjunct Juno, Neptune ruler of Pisces involved in a T-square with Jupiter, there's still hope .
Mars ruler of DSC in 12th, Sun in 12th, Valentine/Union in 12th, a love being hidden and buried
The Cardinal Cross with Juno/Mercury/ASC, Priapus/Vertex/DSC, Uranus/Vesta/IC, Pholus/MC/Jupiter. I will go straight to it, a union that struck me like lightning.

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posted April 29, 2014 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy, I second what Tulipe said, plus I see a story of self-discovery in your Union chart, as if you find this Union, this love Union only after you've found yourself, probably shortly after. This scenario is supported, IMO, by Sun on ASC, and conjunct Ceres, Sun intercepted by 8th, and mostly the beautiful Venus as a midpoint between this Sun and Jupiter/Psyche in 9th. Venus itself squaring Vertex/Eros, Saturn nearby conjunct Juno, in theme with your Juno chart, also Saturn sextiling the man, Mars. you will not recognize this man at first as a soulmate, you will probably be friends first, until suddenly, one day, things become apparent (NN conjunct Uranus, Mars in 12th). But the union will be a deep, soulmate bond: Moon/Pluto in Scorpio 11th moving to 12th, sextile Eros and maybe Neptune,in fact Eros/Neptune mdp trine Vertex, with Moon from 8th, very deep, very nice.

Cappy, we met a few months ago (re-met actually), have been friends (but nothing "friendly" between us lol) - I mean haven't started a physical relationship because me not ready, it's like we have our own world when together, currently in a "love" quarrel, the knives you talked about and he values Ceri mentioned and now I refuse contact. I need to think and gather myself, what is between us seems very intense, if and when together: like a storm (you've seen my Valentine chart, I need to prepare my ship lol)

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posted April 29, 2014 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, I'm sorry for the pain and confusion you're in now. Things will work out in the end, as we see you're his destiny . Remember this saying: AFTER A HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW APPEARS. (Actually it's a Sabian symbol ^^) Your rainbow will appear soon.

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posted April 29, 2014 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. The idea of turning a long-term friendship (especially a close one) into a relationship weirds me out though. Wait, even the idea of me being in a relationship weirds me out, but that's just a detail Btw, I don't care if it's a soulmate or not (like, in a spiritual sense).

I hope it works out for you

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posted April 29, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't want to say this, but Cappy, I can't wait for your downfall Wait, your natal Union on my Sun, eh? That ASC and Sun is right on my Sun, IC near my Mars, North Node/Union on my Neptune. I'm your soulmate, come to France .

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posted April 29, 2014 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>_>

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posted April 29, 2014 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, even if it's a soulmate relationship, it's still very painful, right? In relationship where two people don't exactly love each other but get together anyway, is that soulmates?

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posted April 29, 2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, chere Tulipe, for your kind words.

I won't tell you again about the erotic vibe, 2nd/8th house emphasis, Venus on angles, compelling Eros on ASC, Mars/Pholus, Priap/Pholus, the Yod, the most interesting part, involved in a cross also.

BTW, have you been in love before?

I'd like to tell you what I think about the "in love" thing. Your "falling in love" planet is Mercury, conjunct your Sun, You might say his Uranus there, the only planet falling in your 7th, is too far away, but bear with me: this Uranus is in a close opp with your Jupiter, your Mercury disp, Jupiter acts as an "amplifier" of Uranus in this case, enhancing the Mercury/Uranus conjunction, Uranus, your MC ruler conjunct his Venus in Aqua, his IC, his "heart" also ruled by Uranus. That's how we get back to Uranus and believe it or not, you are in love with his Uranus, it is an electrifying Uranian attraction. His "falling in love" planet is Neptune, also conjunct his Sun, but basically unaspacted by any of your personals. Someone with Neptune as ruler of falling in love needs, IMO, for someone to put some planets in his 12th. We look there and what do we see? His second, even his third disp of Neptune are there, and you might say your Venus is nearby, but maybe if it were a little bit closer? right on Jupiter or Pluto? Plus, these planets are hidden from him, someone there, like a Sun, would really bring them out in the open. Going further with his love disp, we get back to Uranus again.

I think if you were to live together, Uranian electricity would soon fade and with your Moon, Mars unaspected by his planets, you would kick him out!

But Uranian electrifying attraction feels so compelling while it lasts.

But it is an interesting story in your synastry with that Yod, and Cross, and how you form a nice Grand Trine unifying his Mars and Venus through your Jupiter, somehow creating inner integration for him, and the Grand Trine is also connected to the Yod.

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posted April 29, 2014 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks. The idea of turning a long-term friendship (especially a close one) into a relationship weirds me out though. Wait, even the idea of me being in a relationship weirds me out, but that's just a detail Btw, I don't care if it's a soulmate or not (like, in a spiritual sense).

I hope it works out for you



Thank you, Caps yeah, that's the trick, it's something you don't expect

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posted April 29, 2014 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, even if it's a soulmate relationship, it's still very painful, right? In relationship where two people don't exactly love each other but get together anyway, is that soulmates?


yes, it is painful, but it should get better, it should get happy, I think, I mean a soulmate relationsip. Love soulmates not in love? Not possible, I think. But some soulmates serve other purposes than love.

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posted April 29, 2014 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, do you consider this also to the 'in love' feeling I feel: His Pluto on my Sun/Moon midpoint (2), his Saturn quindecile my Mars (1)

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posted April 29, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, can you check the harmonics thread? I have a potentially curious situation.

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posted April 29, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"how long have you studied astrology?"
Soo long ago. Well, I think it started in 1989, so 25 years this year. Hey, seems like it is quite an anniversary with one of the two great loves in my life (the other one being musicals, which started just months after that. lol).

Actually, it all started with a dream I remember so vividly, cause in it the planet Neptune was not only visible (very big actually) but it was also exploding, and I couldnīt prevent it from doing. It was a very intense dream, and depsite all these years I can still see it in my mind like it had been yesterday. Of course at that point I had no clue that I am actually having Neptune on my ASC-Mars-NN. lol

But yeah that was when it modestly began, the very beginning.

"You're on the point of poetry in my opinion. When I grow up as an astrologer, I want to be just like you!"
Thank you. That is such a nice compliment. Especially coming from such an astute astrologer like you are imo.
I like the "to-the-point" observation and analysis you make. I sometimes have the tendenc to complicate things too much.

Though usally when I connect to a chart I start with the visual impression (and I always always always have my eyes on the angles, Vertex, nodal axis and luminaries before anyhting else, including their rulers of course. If that`s not there, the spine or the sceletton of the horoscope or relationship chart might be a little weak, and it couldnīt carry all the colourful sparkly asteroids and other things, which instead of making sense, could just end up dazzling and blinding to the fact that there is just a heap of colour, but nothing to paint it on).

"it is exactly so, in theme with our Moon/Pluto in regular composite, as Cappy pointed out so keenly."
Yes, I think relevant themese repeat themselves.

"His Venus/Juno there integrates him in your "mystical" configuration (rectangle plus sextiles which is octagonal, BTW, it has 8 sides) and it puts Venus on Venus."
Yes, that is what i observed, too. Though he doesn`t have natal planets in Aries nor Libra near there. Nothing in gemini.
So his Mercury on 9 Sagittarius is the only one my rectangle plugs into, from his natal.
Of course his Mercury is vastly important in his chart.
Ruling the 3rd, 4th and 7th house. Dispositing his NN and his Mars-Jupiter-Amor-conjunction in Virgo.
In mutual reception with Jupiter.
Squaring his Mars-Jupiter-Amor, which of course is one of the core connection to my chart, as my Jupiter (Pisces)-Neptune/NN/ASC/Mars (Sagittarius-square interconnects with this. Being made angular through my ASC, emnphasized trhough my NN as well, and if we are in a VERY generous mood, even his NN might play a role (it is 10 degrees of my Jupiter, Neptune and NN though, but is within orb of squaring my Mars, which in turn aspects my ASC and you know how the chain goes...)


" If he will be just a dream, maybe he will materialize into Mr Aqua, "
I am not sure I understand what you mean.


That is an interesting dream. I also have a childhood dream I can't forget, with two suns in the sky and then some sort of cataclysm leading to a futuristic world. In your dream, did you know it was Neptune? Also, did you want to "prevent" Neptune form exploding? The explosion of Neptune feels so beautiful to me, like your heart exploding in your chest with love, unconditional love, the opening of the heart chakra.

Thank you for your lovely compliments

About Mr Aqua and Mr Sag materializing in him.. I have a theory I keep babbling about on the forum: every love we have, every person that attracts us is actually the one, parts of him, like holograms, and we are looking for him, building him with each love. There was an interesting, yet kind of morbid movie about a girl, a woman, dating men and killing them to take just a part of them, because in one she loved the hands, in another one eye, in the third his hair, etc. and she was gradually building with these parts, a body. It is all metaphorical of course, the body is a spirit. I think when you meet the on,e in real life, you realize you were looking for him in all the others, you are even surprised he actually exists and that he is there, before your eyes.

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posted April 29, 2014 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Leeloo, do you consider this also to the 'in love' feeling I feel: His Pluto on my Sun/Moon midpoint (2), his Saturn quindecile my Mars (1)

I'm not sure...I think Pluto on your Sun/Moon midpoint brings you deep transformation, also could point to obsession too. Saturn quindecile Mars as a love aspect? not really, to me it is an aspect of a need for materialization. Maybe your Mars obsessed with bringing his defenses down?

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posted April 29, 2014 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not sure...I think Pluto on your Sun/Moon midpoint brings you deep transformation, also could point to obsession too. Saturn quindecile Mars as a love aspect? not really, to me it is an aspect of a need for materialization. Maybe your Mars obsessed with bringing his defenses down?

Oh, you hit right on point. Thank you Leeloo, you must be exhausted by this synastry already. I calm down for now .

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posted April 29, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune is my love planet. I can only fall in love in my imagination Or with myself (Sun conjunct Neptune).

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posted April 29, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Neptune is my love planet. I can only fall in love in my imagination Or with myself (Sun conjunct Neptune).


Watch out for illusion with Neptune as your love planet, Cappy
Although I don't worry about you, you have a keen mind.

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posted April 29, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at Tulipe's Union and then sleep, my back hurts! lol

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My Union is near Juno so the aspects are nearly the same. But all my Angles start at Aries points, pratically divide the zodiac evenly. Only Virgo and Pisces is intercepted, I'm a bit worried here. But then I saw Mercury ruler of Virgo is right on ASC conjunct Juno, Neptune ruler of Pisces involved in a T-square with Jupiter, there's still hope .
Mars ruler of DSC in 12th, Sun in 12th, Valentine/Union in 12th, a love being hidden and buried
The Cardinal Cross with Juno/Mercury/ASC, Priapus/Vertex/DSC, Uranus/Vesta/IC, Pholus/MC/Jupiter. I will go straight to it, a union that struck me like lightning.

Naah, it's not intercepted, it's a wonderful case of cusps falling on sign cusp: a soulmate union, supported by 12th house theme and your other charts. A union not of this world, an ideal fulfilled. Interconnected triangles, two wings, on MC axis pointing to a large conjunction of ASC Juno Mercury (your love ruler, BTW) and Venus. Where the Cross forms also, with a Vertex/DSC/Priapus exact, a total merging. The man has something in 14 Pisces unless you have something there to form a Castle with the Moon, the woman. It's more than a Castle, it has two points, just like Ceri's, one to the heart (the 4th house) the other to the world (10th house), possibly with Neptune or something in 14 Cap. The Man is also quincunxed by Moira. Beautiful chart!

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posted April 29, 2014 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Naah, it's not intercepted, it's a wonderful case of cusps falling on sign cusp: a soulmate union, supported by 12th house theme and your other charts. A union not of this world, an ideal fulfilled. Interconnected triangles, two wings, on MC axis pointing to a large conjunction of ASC Juno Mercury (your love ruler, BTW) and Venus. Where the Cross forms also, with a Vertex/DSC/Priapus exact, a total merging. The man has something in 14 Pisces unless you have something there to form a Castle with the Moon, the woman. It's more than a Castle, it has two points, just like Ceri's, one to the heart (the 4th house) the other to the world (10th house), possibly with Neptune or something in 14 Cap. The Man is also quincunxed by Moira. Beautiful chart!

EDIT: I feel better now. Thank you Leeloo, I'm not sure about the soulmate but I'll keep looking.

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posted April 29, 2014 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Vintagesoul, I've already interpreted your Juno/Juno synastry on page 18, and your normal synastry in your thread, about cheating and faithfulness

Oh dang, sorry about that LeeLoo. I guess it looked different with the added asteroids. Thank you for looking, though. The answers will show itself in time.

A story is better understood when there's an ending, I suppose, giving an opportunity for reasoning, with an outcome. Even then, there are many chapters. So i guess it's best to just stay in the present with our varying personas and adjust with what life gives us. 😆😥😂😠😏😈😇😁😳😍😊

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