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I'm so cappy
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posted April 12, 2014 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my True Node persona: BML conjunct Juno under 1 degree. My definition of a commited relationship

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted April 12, 2014 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Add asteroids as well to that list .

Asteroids as well

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posted April 12, 2014 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy,if you have a planet or asteroid on your MC, you can check its Persona for clues regarding your vocation.

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Thanks leeloo2014 that helped some

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I've been busy, so haven't been able to really get into it in the way of persona chart comparisons, but here are a few bits I have found so far (I only did conj./opps for the most part):


Moon/Natal
Me/Him
Vertex conj. DC (1)
Sun conj. Ceres (1)
Moon-Pallas conj. Asc-Moon (1-2)
(Suns are also in same sign, separated by 10 degrees)
Vesta-Mercury-Juno conj. Pluto (exact-2)
Angel conj. DC (exact)
DC conj. Alma-Amor-Uranus (exact-1)
Alma conj. Mercury-Pallas (1)
Unitas conj. Union (1) opp. Pholus
Eros conj. MC-Saturn (1)
Mats conj. Spirit (2)

Him/Me
AC-Ceres conj.Vertex
Eros conj. AVx
Vx conj. Vesta-AC
Saturn-Avx conj. DC
Sun conj. MC-Pallas-Lilith
Saturn opp. Lilith
Jupiter opp. Chiron
Lilith conj. Venus

Moon/Moon
DC conj. Uranus (exact)
Moon-Pallas conj. Sun (1)
MC-SNode conj. Jupiter (exact)
Venus opp. Venus (2)
Venus trine Mars (1)
Venus conj. NNode (2)
Psyche conj. Moon (exact)
Ceres conj. DC-Eros (exact-1)
Lilith conj. Mecrury (exact)
Saturn opp. Lilith
Valentine conj. Alma (2)
Vertex-Angel conj. MC (exact-1)
AVx conj. Angel (exact)
Vesta-Juno-Mercury conj. Pluto-Union (exact-2)

Moon/Venus
Him/Me
AC-Ceres conj. Vertex-Saturn (exact)
Moon conj. DC (1)
Mars conj. Ceres (1)
SNode-Venus conj. Mercury (1)
Jupiter opp Mars (1)
Eros conj. AVx (1)
Pallas conj. IC-Vesta (exact) opp. Pallas-Lilith-Psyche-MC (0-2)


Me/Him
DC conj AC
Vertex conj. Jupiter (1)
Moon conj Pluto (exact)
Venus and Vesta conj. Sun (1)
Mars opp. Moon (exact)
NNode conj. Valentine (1)
Pluto opp. Angel (exact)
Neptune opp Spirit (exact)
Isis conj. MC-SNode (exact)
Psyche conj. Psyche, opp. Unitas (exact)

Venus/Natal
Me/Him
Psyche conj. SNode (exact)
Uranus conj. MC (2)

Him/Me
Moon conj. Pluto (exact)
Venus conj. Moon (1)
Vesta conj. Moon (2)
Ceres opp Sun (1)
Jupiter conj. Mars (1)
Jupiter opp. Sun (2)
Amor opp. Moon (1)

Venus/Venus
Me/Him
SNode conj Ceres (exact)
Moon conj. Mars (1)
Venus conj. SNode (exact)
Neptune conj. Vertex (1)
DC conj. Psyche (2)
AC conj. Mercury (1)
Alma conj. NNode (1)
Pholus conj. Angel (exact), opp. Moon (exact)
Eros conj. MC (1) opp. Valentine (exact)

Saturn/Natal
Me/Him
Venus conj. MC and Saturn (1)
Valentine conj. NNode
Saturn conj. Psyche (1)
Juno conj. Vertex-Valentine (exact)
Vertex conj. Ceres (exact)
Unitas conj. Mercury-Pallas (exact)
Alma opp. Psyche
Pholus-Spirit conj SNode (exact-1)

Him/Me
Moon conj Neptune-Eros (exact-1)
Jupiter-Amor conj. Mars (1)
Jupiter opp. Sun (exact)
Mars conj. Sun (3) - also in gt-synastry
Unitas conj. Alma (Exact)
DC conj. Angel (exact)
Neptune opp. Amor
Vesta opp. Psyche

Saturn/Saturn
Me/Him
Venus conj. Sun (exact)
NNode conj. IC (exact)
SNode-Mercury conj. MC
Saturn conj. Jupiter-Amor (2)
Ceres opp. Jupiter-Amor (1)
Saturn opp. Mars (2)
Union conj. Juno (exact)
Alma conj. Angel-Vesta (exact)


Saturn/Venus
Him/Me
AC conj. DC (2.5)
MC conj. Vertex-Saturn (0-1)
Moon conj. Neptune (1)
Sun conj. Vertex
Mars conj. NNode (2)
Jupiter-Amor conj. SNode (1)
Union conj. Moon (exact)
Pholus conj. DC (exact)
Alma conj. Juno (exact)
Valentine conj. IC-Union (1)
Pallas opp. Mercury (exact)

Me/Him
Vertex conj. Venus-Vesta (exact)
AVx conj. Amor
Pluto conj. Moon (2)
Alma conj. Union (exact)
Union conj. Alma (exact)
Saturn conj. Ceres (exact)
Ceres opp. Ceres (1)
Lilith conj. SNode (exact)
NNode conj. Lilith (1)

Saturn/Moon
Him/Me
AC-Angel conj. DC-Psyche (exact)
MC/IC conj. MC/IC (exact)
IC conj. NNode (3)
IC conj. Ceres (2)
Vertex-Pluto conj. Vertex (exact)
Sun conj. Eros (exact)
Moon conj. Jupiter (exact)
Venus-Saturn conj. Neptune (1)
Mercury conj. Mars (3)
Valentine conj. Pluto (1)
Alma conj. Union (2)
Union opp. Moon-Pallas

Me/Him
SNode-Mercury conj. Jupiter (exact)
DC conj. Union (1)
Juno conj. Alma (exact)
Ceres conj. Lilith (exact)
Pysche conj. Psyche-Pholus (exact-1)

* Wow, I'm also seeing the same geometric patterns here as I do in our helio composite...

BTW, I really like your take on things, LeeLoo.

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posted April 13, 2014 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrodienst's take on Persona Charts, based on Orban and Zinnel:

Tips for Interpretation

The following recommendations are simply suggestions which need to be tested, and which are meant to help you to explore unknown territory: your own inner world.

1) The most important unconscious personality is the ruler of the first house of the birth chart. If you have, for example, a libra ascendant, the main thing is to explore your Venus persona chart. There's always a good surprise in the persona chart of the ruler of the ascendant.

2) The persona chart of the Moon informs you about the energies of the feminine side of your psyche. Just like the birth horoscope can be called the yang horoscope, we describe the Moon persona chart as the yin horoscope, its female counterpart. To access and understand her, you have to look at feelings buried deep inside.

3) The ascendant of a persona chart shows the deepest sphere of the unconscious which has to be found and understood by this personality. The ascendant of an unconscious inner personality also shows the forces which want to come to light, and which want to make their way to the surface with a great boost.

4) A persona chart's Sun is always considered the ego of this inner personality. But not THE ego! Saturn, for example, possesses an ego, a will to realise itself which speaks the words "I want ...". Part of this persona chart ego is known from the birth chart, because the Sun of the persona chart always occupies the place which is held by the planet itself in the birth chart. However, the house placing of this persona ego is completely unknown. Just for the sake of finding out the house placing of the persona ego within its own chart, creating a persona chart makes sense. Not only does it tell us how this personality articulates itself, but also where it does so, i.e. in which sphere of life.

5) The midheaven of a persona chart shows which fate the individual personalities encounter here on earth. It is the quintessence of the path which leads from the "unconscious" (ascendant) to the "light of consciousness" (midheaven). Whether this path is followed to the very end by the individual cannot be known. Whether the inner personalities come to consciousness, appears to depend on the intensity of the effort put into the venture, and on individual achievement.

It seems to us that a human who has integrated all inner personalities into full consciousness would have finished his way here on earth. We might deduce a law from this: Each inner personality I have found, renders my world poorer by one person. If the world outside does not owe me any more (inner) personalities, it may well be that it has fulfilled its function and may I leave.

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posted April 13, 2014 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I've been busy, so haven't been able to really get into it in the way of persona chart comparisons, but here are a few bits I have found so far (I only did conj./opps for the most part):


[b]Moon/Natal

Me/Him
Vertex conj. DC (1)
Sun conj. Ceres (1)
Moon-Pallas conj. Asc-Moon (1-2)
(Suns are also in same sign, separated by 10 degrees)
Vesta-Mercury-Juno conj. Pluto (exact-2)
Angel conj. DC (exact)
DC conj. Alma-Amor-Uranus (exact-1)
Alma conj. Mercury-Pallas (1)
Unitas conj. Union (1) opp. Pholus
Eros conj. MC-Saturn (1)
Mats conj. Spirit (2)

Him/Me
AC-Ceres conj.Vertex
Eros conj. AVx
Vx conj. Vesta-AC
Saturn-Avx conj. DC
Sun conj. MC-Pallas-Lilith
Saturn opp. Lilith
Jupiter opp. Chiron
Lilith conj. Venus

Moon/Moon
DC conj. Uranus (exact)
Moon-Pallas conj. Sun (1)
MC-SNode conj. Jupiter (exact)
Venus opp. Venus (2)
Venus trine Mars (1)
Venus conj. NNode (2)
Psyche conj. Moon (exact)
Ceres conj. DC-Eros (exact-1)
Lilith conj. Mecrury (exact)
Saturn opp. Lilith
Valentine conj. Alma (2)
Vertex-Angel conj. MC (exact-1)
AVx conj. Angel (exact)
Vesta-Juno-Mercury conj. Pluto-Union (exact-2)

Moon/Venus
Him/Me
AC-Ceres conj. Vertex-Saturn (exact)
Moon conj. DC (1)
Mars conj. Ceres (1)
SNode-Venus conj. Mercury (1)
Jupiter opp Mars (1)
Eros conj. AVx (1)
Pallas conj. IC-Vesta (exact) opp. Pallas-Lilith-Psyche-MC (0-2)


Me/Him
DC conj AC
Vertex conj. Jupiter (1)
Moon conj Pluto (exact)
Venus and Vesta conj. Sun (1)
Mars opp. Moon (exact)
NNode conj. Valentine (1)
Pluto opp. Angel (exact)
Neptune opp Spirit (exact)
Isis conj. MC-SNode (exact)
Psyche conj. Psyche, opp. Unitas (exact)

Venus/Natal
Me/Him
Psyche conj. SNode (exact)
Uranus conj. MC (2)

Him/Me
Moon conj. Pluto (exact)
Venus conj. Moon (1)
Vesta conj. Moon (2)
Ceres opp Sun (1)
Jupiter conj. Mars (1)
Jupiter opp. Sun (2)
Amor opp. Moon (1)

Venus/Venus
Me/Him
SNode conj Ceres (exact)
Moon conj. Mars (1)
Venus conj. SNode (exact)
Neptune conj. Vertex (1)
DC conj. Psyche (2)
AC conj. Mercury (1)
Alma conj. NNode (1)
Pholus conj. Angel (exact), opp. Moon (exact)
Eros conj. MC (1) opp. Valentine (exact)

Saturn/Natal
Me/Him
Venus conj. MC and Saturn (1)
Valentine conj. NNode
Saturn conj. Psyche (1)
Juno conj. Vertex-Valentine (exact)
Vertex conj. Ceres (exact)
Unitas conj. Mercury-Pallas (exact)
Alma opp. Psyche
Pholus-Spirit conj SNode (exact-1)

Him/Me
Moon conj Neptune-Eros (exact-1)
Jupiter-Amor conj. Mars (1)
Jupiter opp. Sun (exact)
Mars conj. Sun (3) - also in gt-synastry
Unitas conj. Alma (Exact)
DC conj. Angel (exact)
Neptune opp. Amor
Vesta opp. Psyche

Saturn/Saturn
Me/Him
Venus conj. Sun (exact)
NNode conj. IC (exact)
SNode-Mercury conj. MC
Saturn conj. Jupiter-Amor (2)
Ceres opp. Jupiter-Amor (1)
Saturn opp. Mars (2)
Union conj. Juno (exact)
Alma conj. Angel-Vesta (exact)


Saturn/Venus
Him/Me
AC conj. DC (2.5)
MC conj. Vertex-Saturn (0-1)
Moon conj. Neptune (1)
Sun conj. Vertex
Mars conj. NNode (2)
Jupiter-Amor conj. SNode (1)
Union conj. Moon (exact)
Pholus conj. DC (exact)
Alma conj. Juno (exact)
Valentine conj. IC-Union (1)
Pallas opp. Mercury (exact)

Me/Him
Vertex conj. Venus-Vesta (exact)
AVx conj. Amor
Pluto conj. Moon (2)
Alma conj. Union (exact)
Union conj. Alma (exact)
Saturn conj. Ceres (exact)
Ceres opp. Ceres (1)
Lilith conj. SNode (exact)
NNode conj. Lilith (1)

Saturn/Moon
Him/Me
AC-Angel conj. DC-Psyche (exact)
MC/IC conj. MC/IC (exact)
IC conj. NNode (3)
IC conj. Ceres (2)
Vertex-Pluto conj. Vertex (exact)
Sun conj. Eros (exact)
Moon conj. Jupiter (exact)
Venus-Saturn conj. Neptune (1)
Mercury conj. Mars (3)
Valentine conj. Pluto (1)
Alma conj. Union (2)
Union opp. Moon-Pallas

Me/Him
SNode-Mercury conj. Jupiter (exact)
DC conj. Union (1)
Juno conj. Alma (exact)
Ceres conj. Lilith (exact)
Pysche conj. Psyche-Pholus (exact-1)

* Wow, I'm also seeing the same geometric patterns here as I do in our helio composite...

BTW, I really like your take on things, LeeLoo.

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Thanks
Moon / Moon seems pretty strong.
You seem to be his type in a "motherly" way. Do you resemble his mother?

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posted April 14, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about persona-persona composite? ^^

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posted April 14, 2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What about persona-persona composite? ^^


Yes, of course, it will show the "blending" of those energies, I think.

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posted April 14, 2014 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The man's Venus persona and woman's Mars persona composite would make sense then?

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posted April 14, 2014 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
The man's Venus persona and woman's Mars persona composite would make sense then?


Absolutely.

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posted April 15, 2014 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love of My Life - Amor Persona Chart

Is he/she the love of your life? Compare your Amor Persona with his/her natal.

Are you the love of his/her life? Compare his/her Amor Persona with your natal.

Look for:

- Planets on angles, nodes, Vx/Ax axis

- Sun/Moon or Sun/Venus - DW a sure hit

- Venus/Mars - DW a sure hit

- Conjunctions (in general). Conjunctions involving love asteroids (Union, Juno, Alma, Amor, Cupid, Valentine, Lust, Eros, Psyche etc.). Conjunctions involving karmic asteroids.

- Major patterns.

- Some major love midpoints should be activated.

- DW.

Compare Amor Personas between themselves for additional clues.

Examples listed below all feature all the above (including Sun/Moon or Sun/Venus and Venus/Mars DW)

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posted April 15, 2014 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz Taylor Amor Persona/Richard Burton natal


Richard Burton Amor Persona/Liz Taylor natal

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Joanne Woodward Amor Persona/Paul Newman natal


Paul Newman Amor Persona/Joanne Woodward natal

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Linda Amor Persona/Paul McCartney Natal

Paul Amor Persona/Linda natal

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posted April 15, 2014 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the way you give a guide line whta to look for.

Well from first glance, no, no luck for me with this one.
He might be the love of my mine, but judging from his Amor Persona chart I am surely not his (probaly a Virgo would be. lol=)

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I like the way you give a guide line whta to look for.

Well from first glance, no, no luck for me with this one.
He might be the love of my mine, but judging from his Amor Persona chart I am surely not his (probaly a Virgo would be. lol=)


Thanks, Ceri

In this case, I think it would be interesting for you to discover (if you save his Personas and compare them with your natal) which Persona of his you activate the most.

Why a Virgo? Sun in Virgo in his Amor Persona?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I like the way you give a guide line whta to look for.

Well from first glance, no, no luck for me with this one.
He might be the love of my mine, but judging from his Amor Persona chart I am surely not his (probaly a Virgo would be. lol=)


Have you tried comparing persona vs. persona? I've found the most hits with strong couples not persona vs natal or with complementary personas, but venus against venus, mars against mars, etc.


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Originally posted by page one:
Have you tried comparing persona vs. persona? I've found the most hits with strong couples not persona vs natal or with complementary personas, but venus against venus, mars against mars, etc.


Amor Persona/Natal comparisons listed above are more than strong, I guess

But comparing Amor Persona with Amor Persona should show some strong connections too. But with Persona charts in synastry, IMO, the most important (or at least the first to consider) connection is between Persona and natal - it should show how that archetype, the Persona, of one of the partners triggers or fits or finds its place as a whole in the entire personality and life of the other - the natal chart.

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Independent of any men, I found my Amor PErsona quite interesting though.


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There is a pretty tight Kite-figure in there, and if you allow PSYCHE; too, there is only one point in aquarius missing to make this a STar of David.
Interestingly my natal Moon is on 17 Aquarius. lol


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his AMor Persona - my natal

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my Amor - Persona - his natal

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my Amor - his Amor

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posted April 15, 2014 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you know what I find interesting?

in his Amor chart Sun/Venus-mp and Moon/mars - mp are conjunct each other, on 16 and 18 Leo.

In my Amor chart Sun/mars-mp and Moon/Venus-mp are on the same degree: 16 Virgo.

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quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Amor Persona/Natal comparisons listed above are more than strong, I guess

But comparing Amor Persona with Amor Persona should show some strong connections too. But with Persona charts in synastry, IMO, the most important (or at least the first to consider) connection is between Persona and natal - it should show how that archetype, the Persona, of one of the partners triggers or fits or finds its place as a whole in the entire personality and life of the other - the natal chart.


I'll say it again, if natal vs persona isn't yielding many contacts, try comparing the same persona charts for each partner. I haven't really made a habit of looking for natal vs persona, because for "soulmate" partnerships in particular, the results for persona vs persona can be INSANE.

I also believe that talk of "triggering archetypes" sounds too much like looking for whatever astrology theory you adhere to to manifest itself in some obvious visual way in a chart, and that hardly ever happens.

Why the Amor persona for the love of your life? Why not Venus, or Juno? Or the Moon, for that matter? And why might an asteroid like Valentine or Amor show strong dynamics in the persona, but hardly be aspected in the natal? Is that a fluke result, or is it important?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Independent of any men, I found my Amor PErsona quite interesting though.


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There is a pretty tight Kite-figure in there, and if you allow PSYCHE; too, there is only one point in aquarius missing to make this a STar of David.
Interestingly my natal Moon is on 17 Aquarius. lol



Wow that's a beautiful chart. A grand amore and a lucky one too.
Fire Kite with Air apex: idealism.
Venus/Pluto - a great love
Venus/Pluto, karma in 1st, Juno in 12th, Moon trine Neptune, Neptune ruler of DSC - a soulmate.

This man comes as a surprise (Mars in Aries Point quincunx Sun Union Mercury trine Uranus) Met on a short journey, I think. But you should really meet him in this life: Mars on MC, ASC and MC the same ruler connjunct Sun and Union. I'd say the journey is related to 8th house issues.

I'd venture to say: he is the one completing your Star of David. His Sun should be in Aquarius, around 17 deg.... in order for it to be perfect ....or at least his ASC or something there.

I'm turning into Mama Odie here
But, I don't know, I just see these...figure I should tell you...who knows....anyway, do let me know if things go this way

BTW, where is POF? POF is very important, IMO, especially in these predictive charts.

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I also made the composite of our Amor-Personas, probably indicative of how Amor would be expressed or experienced together


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