posted April 30, 2014 06:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
EDIT: I feel better now. Thank you Leeloo, I'm not sure about the soulmate but I'll keep looking.

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posted April 30, 2014 06:29 AM            

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Originally posted by vintagesoul:

A story is better understood when there's an ending, I suppose, giving an opportunity for reasoning, with an outcome. Even then, there are many chapters. So i guess it's best to just stay in the present with our varying personas and adjust with what life gives us. 😆😥😂😠😏😈😇😁😳😍😊

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Nicely said, vintagesoul. Take one day at a time and show him what you like to do with him.

posted April 30, 2014 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
You're like a sweet balm to the soul . I do believe I shall ask for your advice in my love life . I know I'm too naive and trusting, but I don't identify with suspicion and manipulation. It's strange that my Scorpio Venus/Pluto don't work that way. Oh, Leeloo, you believe I need someone on my Moon to awaken it? Can't I awaken it myself, because I have Moon in a Kite in my chart.

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Thank you for trusting me, Tulipe I mean, with your Juno and Union chart, it is hard to believe you will settle for less than a guy aspecting your Moon and Mars too, generally a good synastry cannot be without such aspects.

I think for your synastry with Pluto guy you should check for his Uranus Persona against your natal or Venus, it should be significant, giving you more clues about your attraction and his Eros Persona, right there on your ASC. What I mean, the idea is to go with the theme. Also, you could check his Neptune Persona to see what kind of girl makes him fall in love.

I guess checking love house ruler Persona could be very interesting too:

5th house ruler for what makes one fall in love
7th house ruler for clues about his ideal partner
8th house ruler for who turns one on the most

posted April 30, 2014 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My Union Persona chart

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See the Eros-Psyche-opposition? I guess only a soulmate union will do. lol
And one with quite a polarity-factor.

The midpoint of the Eros-Psyche-opposition is at about 19-20 Pisces-Virgo.
Now usually I would not consider Venus being conjunct KARMA, but interestingly the midpoint of this wide conjunction is at 19-20 Virgo, AND Vesta is on 18 Pisces on the other side.

the sabian of KARMA is intersting (IQ once concluded in a composite, when he saw htat Karma was on that Sabian, the people in question were twinflames, but even if not, it is just intersting).

"Mary and her little lamb"

UNION itself is in Scorpio in 5th house conjunct NN - so that is where the path is meant to lead?

However Sun conjunct Uranus - soulmate union or not, a lot of space and freedom is needed and maybe it is another rference to your beloved Aquarius, Leeloo.

Though I must admit, while I am not usually into Aquarius-Men, men who attract me do have to have a certain uranus-factor. (otherwise they couldnīt handle me at all).

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"However Sun conjunct Uranus - soulmate union or not, a lot of space and freedom is needed and maybe it is another rference to your beloved Aquarius, Leeloo. "

hehehehe

I think NN ruler conjunct your "heart" trining Moon and being Pluto points to a very deep, soulful Union. Vesta opp Venus reinforces your Vesta theme and Virgo/Pisces axis is so devotional. I like the other Mystic rectangle with Mars/Amor/Juno/Valentine, connected with Saturn, maybe triggered by it. I think saturn ruler of DSC in the first house it's like a barrier that needs to be overcome, or maybe a certain amount of time that needs to pass. (Saturn - nothing before its time). And it is squared by Sun/Uranus, like demolishing the barrier; I think the partner, shown by the mystic rectangle with Mars, brings that, like a liberation, plus Saturn in first degrees of Leo/Aqua axis (back to Aqua guy lol)

Very revealing Sabians for Saturn:

Leo 2. An epidemic of mumps. Keywords: infection, uncontrolled situation, over activity, crisis.

Leo 3. A woman having her hair bobbed. Keywords: independence, fashion, exhibition, pride, decision, courage, self-expression, relations.

and Uranus

PHASE 212 (SCORPIO 2°): A DELICATE BOTTLE OF PERFUME LIES BROKEN, RELEASING ITS FRAGRANCE.

KEYNOTE: The accidental nature of opportunities that impel one to break away from a past, the remembrance of which is still poignant and cherished.

A new and greater realization usually demands the sacrifice of something which has brought loveliness and fragrance to a lesser form of living and feeling. Old feelings are poignantly remembered, even as one moves into a new and wider sphere of experience. Old relationships may be left behind, but the memory of their essential moments lingers on, perhaps strong and nostalgic.

This is the second stage of the forty-third sequence. It contrasts with the first in that it reveals the difficulty of dealing with the past as one enters into a new realm of feelings. To the excitement of novelty answers the memory of the graciousness of the past one has SURRENDERED.

posted April 30, 2014 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
You're very right, Leeloo! I draw the synastry between his Uranus persona chart and my natal, and it has some boggle mind aspect. So I'm in love with his Uranus after all, so strange. And here I thought I'm in love with his Venus.

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Well, his Venus is in Aqua, so...you cant be in love with his Venus without being in love with his Uranus

What have you found there?

posted April 30, 2014 08:38 AM            

The synastry has a Cross with Sun,Venus,Moons,Nodal axis, Vertex. A Yod of two Saturns, my Jupiter and of course his Sun/Pallas is near the release point. I'll post the synastry for the visual effect

Just this morning I thought I'll love someone who put something at 9 GEM, for it will make a Grand Cross to my Sun/Moon/North Node, and a Yod to my Venus/Neptune. He touches that alright, but if Persona chart affect natal that way then the feeling must be mutual, the Persona person is not the only who is touched?

posted April 30, 2014 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
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I guess checking love house ruler Persona could be very interesting too:

5th house ruler for what makes one fall in love
7th house ruler for clues about his ideal partner
8th house ruler for who turns one on the most

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That is a good idea (was actually thinking of it today, too).

for me 5th house ruler is Venus (Taurus on 5th cusp), in Capricorn, and its dispositor is Saturn in Cancer.

Venus herself is on the exact Jupiter/Uranus-mp (and sextile both), and square Pluto
(widely conj. VESTA at 5 degrees and Sun at 10 degrees, so Vesta is on the Sun/Venus-mp exact).

for him 5th house ruler is Moon in Sagittarius (conjunct Sun, MC and more widely Neptune at 8 degrees, squaring Saturn), with dispositor Jupiter in Virgo conjunct Mars (and Amor) and squaring Mercury.

I suppose comparing the houseruler personas with the natal might indicate how much someone is someone else`s type.

posted April 30, 2014 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Well, I just thought he's a kind and loving soul, not some Uranus shocking, unpredictable male. But I do love his Uranus genius.

The synastry has a Cross with Sun,Venus,Moons,Nodal axis, Vertex. A Yod of two Saturns, my Jupiter and of course his Sun/Pallas is near the release point. I'll post the synastry for the visual effect

Just this morning I thought I'll love someone who put something at 9 GEM, for it will make a Grand Cross to my Sun/Moon/North Node, and a Yod to my Venus/Neptune. He touches that alright, but if Persona chart affect natal that way then the feeling must be mutual, the Persona person is not the only who is touched?

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Actually, yes, this chart shows how you trigger his Uranus persona, but his Uranus persona rules his IC and his Venus so... It is nicely superposed, except for his Mars there being a little lonely.

in fact, you check your Mercury Persona against his natal to see how much he triggers your love "button" and his Neptune against your natal for him falling in love and being romantically attracted to you.

The Eros/Uranus Eros/Pholus connections are here too.

posted April 30, 2014 09:56 AM            

The Mercury-natal synastry, he's on the inside:

He touches me alright. There's always luck involved. My POF/his MC, his POF/my Mercury, my Vertex/Lilith/Juno/his Jupiter.
Some fated aspects: my Venus/his South Node, my North Node/psyche/ his IC, his Venus/my DSC, my IC/his Pluto, Destin DW. But still, my Mars ASC ruler is unaspected. Anw, I like the Ceres/Moon and Amor conjunct.

The Neptune-natal synastry:

I see his Jupiter MC ruler doesn't have any aspect apart from a sextile from my Saturn/Uranus. The Neptune persona and Pisces/Virgo intercepted, but I see Neptune conjunct Mercury in 10th! Maybe it's a good omen for him? Venus, South Node/Karma in 12th: could be some hidden affair.
For the synastry, again there's a nice Cross of my Sun/Mercury/his MC, my Moon/his Vertex, my North Node/his Valentine and his IC. A nice Kite with his Uranus ASC ruler. Another Kite consisted of my Sun/his MC, my Mars, my IC and his Venus on my MC. His Mercury IC ruler, Sun DSC ruler conjunct Neptune conjunct my Uranus/Saturn. I think it's a nice synastry overall.

posted April 30, 2014 10:36 AM            

It's interesting how the kite points to an erotic relationships also: your Mars ruler of 2nd, conjunct your Eros/Priapus in kite with Jupiter, your 8th house ruler, Venus his 8th house ruler and Mars his 2nd house ruler. the same 2nd/8th house from the synastry.

posted April 30, 2014 10:43 AM            

In normal synastry we have my Union conjunct his ASC, his Union conjunct my Vertex. No aspect between Unions.

The composite is interesting too, Mercury/Mars/Union on my natal Sun, release point of a Yod with his natal Sun in Pisces. A Boomerang, in fact.

posted April 30, 2014 11:08 AM            

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The composite is interesting too, Mercury/Mars/Union on my natal Sun, release point of a Yod with his natal Sun in Pisces. A Boomerang, in fact.

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posted April 30, 2014 11:12 AM            

But you think Uranus square can never commit?

posted April 30, 2014 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Oh, the Sun/MC in Neptune persona synastry is not very isolated if you consider a Mystic Rectangle to my MC/his Venus.

But you think Uranus square can never commit?

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You're right, you have a mystic rectangle between your MC/IC axis. But he has no Uranus square in his natal or your synastry? Was it in the composite?

Of course Uranus can commit if there are strong synastry connections, probably with another Uranian or someone stabilizing him with Saturn in a pleasant, not harsh way. But truth is some people just don't commit, with or without Uranus. Maybe they have something else to do in this life other than being in a partnership, I don't know.

posted April 30, 2014 11:53 AM            

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I think if he hadn't resisted, you wouldn't have been so interested in him. This is typical for Scorpio, especially Scorpio Venus

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Leeloo, I must tell you I know my heart. I tried letting him go 6 months ago, because of his uranian way but that doesn't mean I stop loving him.

posted April 30, 2014 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Uranus square in synatry coming from me . Of course his uranian way drives me nuts, explain to my Scorpio Venus how you can love someone and still not want to commit.

Leeloo, I must tell you I know my heart. I tried letting him go 6 months ago, because of his uranian way but that doesn't mean I stop loving him.

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posted April 30, 2014 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
No, I broke up, there's lots of broken promises. I don't want to make it public here, but well, I learned my lessons.

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I'm sorry, Tulipe

posted April 30, 2014 12:44 PM            

Just thinking along those lines, I checked
My Jupiter persona, and voila his natal and my Jupiter are almost identical.

Now I should go check his Saturn. Haha :/

Btw, best of wish to you girlies, you are so committed about your relationships, I am sure all of you can manifest a wonderful relationship

posted April 30, 2014 01:54 PM            

Interestingly, his natal DSC at 28-29 Pisces.

Ceri, what do you think about this 29 deg. business?